The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nebron]

This is fake. Blizzard would have left the "Winter / Spring" part blank like they've done in previous roadmap. Also SoD BWL and Firelands have already been launched so why would they add this again ? Really low effort fake imo.

Possibly a fake, I just re-posted from a different group, not claiming it has any validity at all
On the other hand, I could imagine information you mention being there for some reference, like a first bullet point of "where are we now at this moment", especially if the 20th anniversary edition is a thing and it actually launches in autumn this year. It'd be weird to leave a blank space there for the other two

But yeah, there's nothing reaaaally spoilery there so that would be a low effort fake then. Just sharing what I saw though

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I would have stopped with the addition of Draenei and Blood Elves. I give Dracthyr a pass for being their own class. A bigger focus in the customization options of existing races would have been preferable.

Honestly, if we were going to stop with only three new races being added in the game's lifespan, I'd have gone for high elves and ogres or goblins since there won't be enough to offset the losses in faction identity.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Personally I think there's a sizable chance we do get Ascended Nerubians as a race this expansion, regardless of dev comments, as we are missing a load of nerubian mounts in the files and they aren't included in the next patch. There is actually no finale for the Nerubians in 11.0.7 as far as I know.

For example, there are multiple of the worm mounts while we only have access to a single one. So could one of them be an AR mount?

i wouldn't play one, but it would be a lot better.

I mean latest 2 classes are only built for elves or with dracthyr female side human model with pointy ears the other is another BE model with a lot of customization options, 4 elves races, now there will be added half elves customization options and we might get harronir which in most cases will be used by players to look as most elvish as possible and pretty at the same time, so yet another elf race.

Like give me a break.

[Khaza-R]

Personally I think ARs are going to be more of an expansion feature than a pach one. Ethereals for MN and Vykrul for TLT. But I guess we will see.

As for harronir and nerubians, assuming they become playable, its possible it might not happen until a pre-patch. Like "oh thanks for helping us, now lets help you continue the fight against Xal'atath and the Void"

[milkmustache]

I kind of agree with the sentiment of unnecessary races. I wish that WoW never added so many. They are detrimental to the game IMO.

I would have stopped with the addition of Draenei and Blood Elves. I give Dracthyr a pass for being their own class. A bigger focus in the customization options of existing races would have been preferable.

I think there's definitely been some great additions past those, though. While I think Void Elves are a dumb work around, High Elves finally being a playable Alliance race is a win. Goblins in the Horde are great, as are Mag'har orcs (although it should have been a customization). Zandalari trolls are kinda cool.

But I understand the sentiment. I still think a huge goal from Blizzard moving forward should be condensing the races into main races and subraces, expanding upon that customization.

[Cheezits]

TWW is still a New Lore expansion so I don't know why anyone would expect an old lore race to appear. The ONE chance of this being subverted is with Undermine if there is some AR there (Hobgoblins???)

[AOL Instant Messenger]

As for harronir and nerubians, assuming they become playable, its possible it might not happen until a pre-patch. Like "oh thanks for helping us, now lets help you continue the fight against Xal'atath and the Void"

I'm very split on the idea of a nerubian AR. I like nerubian lore enough that I want it, but the ascended nerubians just look so ugly. It doesn't help that they just have that snowflake problem that the dracthyr also have. Every one of them is actually a super-spehsul supersoldier instead of a normal nerubian, which really damages the fantasy for me. If we had humanoid nerubians, I'd have rather they made them a botched attempt at making infiltrators like the thin men from XCOM.

[Kiivar86]

I agree fully on new animations for any (new) race being added from now on tbh. It's one if not the most exciting thing in general and for many, why they choose to play one or not. Inb4 headache casting of the night elf male model. Especially casting and how a 2hand sword for example sit.

Yeah, like I get why allied races generally share animations but if they're different enough they should do things differently too. It helps differentiate them, give them personality.

Picture the female Harronir doing the idle Night Elf bounce, too. Ugh.

[Khaza-R]

I'm very split on the idea of a nerubian AR. I like nerubian lore enough that I want it, but the ascended nerubians just look so ugly. It doesn't help that they just have that snowflake problem that the dracthyr also have. Every one of them is actually a super-spehsul supersoldier instead of a normal nerubian, which really damages the fantasy for me. If we had humanoid nerubians, I'd have rather they made them a botched attempt at making infiltrators like the thin men from XCOM.

I agree. The only reason I would even like them is the small chance they get actual nerubian forms for a druid class.

[Alanar]

A bigger focus in the customization options of existing races would have been preferable.

It's kind of embarrassing to see blizz lack on simply adding options tbh, there is no excuse anymore. I mean them, announcing NEW customization options and then in turns out it's one (new) hair color option says enough what kind of model this this for them. There are many example on youtube, how people put lowkey amount of work and are able to add used/unused hairstyles to races, bring npc options to races, clippings fixes and so on.

[milkmustache]

TWW is still a New Lore expansion so I don't know why anyone would expect an old lore race to appear. The ONE chance of this being subverted is with Undermine if there is some AR there (Hobgoblins???)

To be fair, although they're a new take, Earthen are a very old lore race that we gained this expansion. But I understand and agree with the notion. Harronir and Ascended Nerubians both seem possible, with Harronir being more likely in my opinion.

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It's kind of embarrassing to see blizz lack on simply adding options tbh, there is no excuse anymore. I mean them, announcing NEW customization options and then in turns out it's one (new) hair color option says enough what kind of model this this for them. There are many example on youtube, how people put lowkey amount of work and are able to add used/unused hairstyles to races, bring npc options to races, clippings fixes and so on.

This is something that confused me in Shadowlands and Dragonflight. I'm all for customization expansion happening at a slow pace as long as it's consistent, but the handful of hair colors added was just... weird.

Are there plans for another WoD like character customization overhaul causing them to only give crumbs? This is the only thing that makes general sense to me, otherwise it's just a really odd and almost insulting thing to highlight as a patch feature.

[Alanar]

Yeah, like I get why allied races generally share animations but if they're different enough they should do things differently too. It helps differentiate them, give them personality.

Picture the female Harronir doing the idle Night Elf bounce, too. Ugh.

Yes, I also think that would really help.

The best example I could give you right now, are the Nightborne. They did one thing right here and that is that there a few things, which set them apart from Night eves. Which are their stance/idle and their proportions and later their squinty eyes. Idk, why they didn't do more of that with the other allied races. Void elves, high mountain and so on could have simply have slightly differnt idle animations and that would already do wonders imo.

Yes, I pictured it. I already didn't like them, but that would be cherry on top.

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I agree. The only reason I would even like them is the small chance they get actual nerubian forms for a druid class.

From the moment I saw them, it felt like their solutions to make them playable. The Nerubians we know are simply not a good fit for a player model, but what I do see is exactly like you said. Either a druid model or just a cooldown on a 2/3 min cd..

[ImTheMizAwesome]

It's kind of embarrassing to see blizz lack on simply adding options tbh, there is no excuse anymore. I mean them, announcing NEW customization options and then in turns out it's one (new) hair color option says enough what kind of model this this for them. There are many example on youtube, how people put lowkey amount of work and are able to add used/unused hairstyles to races, bring npc options to races, clippings fixes and so on.

Yeah, i still can't even change the color of jewerly on my orc, you're stuck with what color certain option has when few other races can change it normally..

Also for orcs it's still dumb that OG ones don't share hairstyles and beards with mag'hars, you can have scars on green orcs, but not on mag'har orcs, you can use necklace options on female orcs but not male orcs, warpaints and tattoos are tied to mag'har skin type still.

It applies to other races too, the inconsistency is strong with whole character customization system as of right now.

[Cheezits]

It would be nice if Ascended Nerubians unlocked a way to "devolve" back into regular Nerubians and it was turned into a racial, even if it is just cosmetic and they morph back to Ascended upon combat.

Honestly, if they did this and added some additional animations and customization for both forms, I think this would be enough for most people who want traditional Nerubians.

[Alanar]

Yeah, i still can't even change the color of jewerly on my orc, you're stuck with what color certain option has when few other races can change it normally..

Also for orcs it's still dumb that OG ones don't share hairstyles and beards with mag'hars, you can have scars on green orcs, but not on mag'har orcs, you can use necklace options on female orcs but not male orcs, warpaints and tattoos are tied to mag'har skin type still.

It applies to other races too, the inconsistency is strong with whole character customization system as of right now.

I mean, how difficult can this be right? It's just plain stupid to me.

Customization options are still extremely limited imo, it's kind of an illusion, you think there is a lot, but really it's not.
Mostly it's a case of choose one of the sets of earrings, no you can't have one of the 2 and mix it around. Hairstyles that have crowns or other things stuck to them can't be taken off. For example: Blood elf male model has one hairstyle that has a crown. Can't separate it. They did separate the crown for Nightborne tho. Your examples are much better, but yes these types of things just make it extremely limited if you see it.

[Lady Atia]

It would be nice if Ascended Nerubians unlocked a way to "devolve" back into regular Nerubians and it was turned into a racial, even if it is just cosmetic and they morph back to Ascended upon combat.

Honestly, if they did this and added some additional animations and customization for both forms, I think this would be enough for most people who want traditional Nerubians.

And how exactly would classic Nerubians work for mounts?

I mean theoreticly, in lore, it seems like evolved Nerubians are able to devolve back into the original form (see the CoT final boss f.e.), so sure, but I doubt most people would choose the classic look over the far cooler ascended ones.

[Joshuaj]

Personally I think ARs are going to be more of an expansion feature than a pach one. Ethereals for MN and Vykrul for TLT. But I guess we will see.

As for harronir and nerubians, assuming they become playable, its possible it might not happen until a pre-patch. Like "oh thanks for helping us, now lets help you continue the fight against Xal'atath and the Void"

Ngl...

I really think that, if Midnight's gonna have an allied race, it'll be the Forest Trolls.

[Alanar]

Ngl...

I really think that, if Midnight's gonna have an allied race, it'll be the Forest Trolls.

What do people mean with forest trolls, just green skin or the bulky troll model?

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It would be nice if Ascended Nerubians unlocked a way to "devolve" back into regular Nerubians and it was turned into a racial, even if it is just cosmetic and they morph back to Ascended upon combat.

Honestly, if they did this and added some additional animations and customization for both forms, I think this would be enough for most people who want traditional Nerubians.

I agree, something like a racial that does that or a cooldown that does the same thing would help a lot to feel like an actual Nerubian. Tell the player a solid story how this works and people will buy it.

[Sondrelk]

What do people mean with forest trolls, just green skin or the bulky troll model?

Bulkier troll model I imagine. The classic troll model is very spindly, and they could easily make a much more buff version for both male and female trolls.

[milkmustache]

What do people mean with forest trolls, just green skin or the bulky troll model?

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I agree, something like a racial that does that or a cooldown that does the same thing would help a lot to feel like an actual Nerubian. Tell the player a solid story how this works and people will buy it.

Both, but mainly the bulky model. Can easily offer skin colors for Frostmane, Drakkari, etc.