The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Lame creations? Dawg they're artifact seekers, deal makers, travelers, etc with some cool asf gimmicks, magics, hubs (Like Tazavesh), and knowledge.

Hard to believe, but people can have opinions on fictional creations that are different or opposite from yours. All of these points you listed that are supposed to be interesting to you can be lame for others.

[Al Gorefiend]

Lame creations? Dawg they're artifact seekers, deal makers, travelers, etc with some cool asf gimmicks, magics, hubs (Like Tazavesh), and knowledge.

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Because Blizzard actually took the time to establish them as more than just Jewish stereotypes or a race that's similar to the Orcs but far more dirty, less cool, and less massive.

That's one of the many reasons for why WoW Goblins work compared to, let's say, Harry Potter Goblins.

You don't take issue with money-hungry cartel operating Brokers all talking like "thank you come again" Apu?

[Joshuaj]

Hard to believe, but people can have opinions on fictional creations that are different or opposite from yours. All of these points you listed that are supposed to be interesting to you can be lame for others.

Can you not? You're always taking this weird approach towards shitting on me one way or the other. I disagree with their opinions and I'm expressing my own.

Step off.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Can you not? You're always taking this weird approach towards shitting on me one way or the other. I disagree with their opinions and I'm expressing my own.

Step off.

You're overly defensive and unnecessary aggression is noted. And it's unnecessary.

It's quite ironic that you jump to the "expressing my own opinion" defense when I was pointing out that somebody was expressing their own opinion that was clearly different from yours. The difference is that you are attempting to invalidate theirs with points that are relevant to you only. That's all.

Please, for your sake, grow thicker skin.

[milkmustache]

Just waiting to see the cartels of Undermine function like the mafia families of NY/NJ.

Looking forward to crime family inspired world quests: contract killings, extortion, enforcing, collecting protection money... eating gabagool at the local sandwich shop.

"Yo T, whaddaya think dat fookin' crystal in da roof of Hallowfall is all about, eh?"

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"Yeah T, its called Dragonflight, fuckin' dragons everywhere, you can fly through hoops n' shit in races, lotta money to be made."

"I should shov this dragon up yer fuckin' ass Christophuh!"

If my profile picture doesn't already give it away, I'd love this. I do imagine there'll be a few mob tongue in cheek world quests at least, like a no-show job work site world quest.

Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

If my profile picture doesn't already give it away, I'd love this. I do imagine there'll be a few mob tongue in cheek world quests at least, like a no-show job work site world quest.

Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.

Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.

[Joshuaj]

You don't take issue with money-hungry cartel operating Brokers all talking like "thank you come again" Apu?

They have a broken English accent. I've seen a lot of Indian folks and Muslims IRL have a somewhat similar accent. That doesn't make them like a stereotype character at all.

Also, money-hungry cartels like that exist IRL as well, albeit not on a cosmic level obviously.

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You're overly defensive and unnecessary aggression is noted. And it's unnecessary.

It's quite ironic that you jump to the "expressing my own opinion" defense when I was pointing out that somebody was expressing their own opinion that was clearly different from yours. The difference is that you are attempting to invalidate theirs with points that are relevant to you only. That's all.

Please, for your sake, grow thicker skin.

Please don't talk thicker skin when you literally can't handle my disagreements on other peoples opinions.

Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.

Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.

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Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.

Undermine having a ton of The Sopranos references would be peak.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.

Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Please don't talk thicker skin when you literally can't handle my disagreements on other peoples opinions.

If you think me pointing out to you that people can have different opinions than yourself is somehow whining or complaining, then your projection is also noted and you are waaaaaay worse off than I originally thought. Ouch.

Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.

Account creation date to post ratio: checks out.

Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.

Dude who believes he is not sensitive is getting upset that another dude quoted him on a public forum.

Just be sure not to become enraged again when I reply to any of your posts.

So, if you have nothing more than just "no, u" responses, then move on. I said what I said already; you're just crying what you have to cry out.

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Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?

Fair point. I would imagine that most of the Warcraft writers don't really see The Sopranos in a positive light, or even know anything more than just the memes and second-hand accounts from the older generation who watched it.

Although I feel like, something like a The Sopranos transcends a lot of media. It's very easy to know a lot about it without watching 1 minute of the show... but in the end it's probably a fan pipe dream.

One could hope.

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Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.

I missed this bit in your reply.

What are the odds that a goblin "entertainment center" taking the place of a strip club was present, where all the Bilgewater "capos" hung out. Gazlowe, Skaggit and some other no-namers up in the VIP lounge smoking cigars and eating lobster.

[Joshuaj]

I don't think updated ethereals means playable, but the tightened bandages and visibly female models (and the fact they can be naked at all) points towards playability down the line.

It is possible they'll be used for the new raid.

[Makabreska]

Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.

Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.

Man, your knee-jerk reactions every time someone dares to criticise SL lore are well known here.

And so are your constant attempts at telling other people when and how they can post.

[milkmustache]

Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?

I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.

[Joshuaj]

Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?

I'm 21 and I've seen The Sopranos. If I've seen it, I'm sure Blizzard devs have as well.

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Man, your knee-jerk reactions every time someone dares to criticise SL lore are well known here.

And so are your constant attempts at telling other people when and how they can post.

Cute.

Anyways, hopefully we'll see more colors on the cars. Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow are cool and all, but I want my MTV Pink Color!!!

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I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.

Kinda pissed we don't have more references like Bronjahm in WoW.

[milkmustache]

It is possible they'll be used for the new raid.

I'm curious about where they would be used in the raid. I suppose we'll see encounters in a few weeks. I've been under the assumption that they would tie the Shadowguard Ethereals to the Darkfuse for some time, but I wonder how much of that we'll see.

I really want playable Ethereals and I think it will happen down the line, but aside from some of the cartels we've dealt with in TBC and Locus Walker, it's been a fair amount of time since we've encountered a large group of friendly Ethereals, so there currently isn't a vehicle for them to join our ranks. Harranir definitely seems like it'll come first, and I imagine Ethereals will be sometime in Midnight when the plot allows for it.

There was also a comment a while back about Ethereals being a potential usage for the housing system in the same vein as void storage, etc., but I don't think that to be the case. I think a very big part of housing is that it will be pretty detached from the story. I imagine if anything the Artisan's Consortium will be utilized a bit more for this, but with the impending story implications that Ethereals will have, I don't think they'll be the route taken for housing.

[Joshuaj]

I'm curious about where they would be used in the raid. I suppose we'll see encounters in a few weeks. I've been under the assumption that they would tie the Shadowguard Ethereals to the Darkfuse for some time, but I wonder how much of that we'll see.

I really want playable Ethereals and I think it will happen down the line, but aside from some of the cartels we've dealt with in TBC and Locus Walker, it's been a fair amount of time since we've encountered a large group of friendly Ethereals, so there currently isn't a vehicle for them to join our ranks. Harranir definitely seems like it'll come first, and I imagine Ethereals will be sometime in Midnight when the plot allows for it.

There was also a comment a while back about Ethereals being a potential usage for the housing system in the same vein as void storage, etc., but I don't think that to be the case. I think a very big part of housing is that it will be pretty detached from the story. I imagine if anything the Artisan's Consortium will be utilized a bit more for this, but with the impending story implications that Ethereals will have, I don't think they'll be the route taken for housing.

My personal thought was that maybe they'll be used somewhere within the Worldcore? Maybe the raid will have a Titan facility surrounding the Worldcore? Idk though.

[Nymrohd]

I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.

The current writers keep making quests about how their lynx got the zoomies. By TLT we will have a quest in Grizzly Hills about cleaning the skibidi toilet.

And I am not saying that's a problem. pop culture references move on.

[milkmustache]

My personal thought was that maybe they'll be used somewhere within the Worldcore? Maybe the raid will have a Titan facility surrounding the Worldcore? Idk though.

I think 11.2's raid will definitely involve the Worldcore in some form, or Beledar. We may start in the Rootlands, but I cannot imagine we spend an entire raid there preventing corruption. It's too much Amirdrassil again.

Something that happens in 11.2's raid is going to bridge the gap to the Sunwell, and I'm not sure what just yet.

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The current writers keep making quests about how their lynx got the zoomies. By TLT we will have a quest in Grizzly Hills about cleaning the skibidi toilet.

I mean, yes and no. I'll be the first to criticize the modern writers, but TWW is a massive leap from Dragonflight. Siren's Isle has some of the best worldbuilding they've done in years. I'm willing to shrug off a single dumb wq for that... but I see where your point is, this is an entirely different generation writing. I don't think that means WoW is going to plunge into zoomer brainrot, but there's certainly a different approach.

[Nymrohd]

I mean, yes and no. I'll be the first to criticize the modern writers, but TWW is a massive leap from Dragonflight. Siren's Isle has some of the best worldbuilding they've done in years. I'm willing to shrug off a single dumb wq for that... but I see where your point is, this is an entirely different generation writing. I don't think that means WoW is going to plunge into zoomer brainrot, but there's certainly a different approach.

To be fair, that's Gen Alpha brainrot, not zoomer And I just mean what the funny pop culture references might draw from. The reality is that for the youngest millenials and on, their references for organized crime are very different and not Godfather, Scorsese or the Sopranos. So if they reference it, it will be different.

[Joszef Kiprich]

The Hotel will probably have a ton of John Wick references.

[Joshuaj]

The Hotel will probably have a ton of John Wick references.

Most likely, yeah.

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Finna be playing this in 11.1. Drivin' finna be peak bruh!