The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Flying is too dangerous in Undermine with all the rockets and explosives going off overhead. Ground-mounts only.

From what we've seen of Undermine, it looks a lot like everything is underground - there's a few shots of a dingy green sky, but I can't tell if that's a polluted open sky or just a haze in an underground area.

There's a few shots of what looks like just walls and domes of scrap-metal panels. The whole region might be enclosed.

Well, that's the lore of the place, i'd be more surprised if it wasn't.

[Viridiel]

It would be quite the twist if it turns out the Black Blood is actually from the Undermine, escaped from a nearby titan facility. Maybe a bit too similar to the Uldir plot, but interesting nonetheless. Maybe the Old God it's the blood of isn't even from Azeroth, but was brought here for observation.

[Golden Yak]

I'm glad, though there was always elements of Undermine above ground - Bilgewater Port, the Motherlode, etc. Presumably we won't be visiting those regions from the Undermine zone itself.

[Nibelheimy]

It should be WoW's golden saucer. Put mount/transmog competitions there. Have the Brawlers guild there. It can have its own storyline as patch content to be introduced. But Undermine is one of the few places in wow that has the possibility to be neutral, varied enough in districts, yet light-hearted enough to be a zone you can jump back into for fun if they can somehow make an area like this that people actually want to go to occasionally. Give it its own seasonal renown I don't know. I'd even go for it having a cartel system where you pick a cartel every season. Purely cosmetic, push your cartel into popularity for the season. One could even be led by Gallywix to let players pick the 'Evil' option. Have four or five of those and let players fight it out in the world, and maybe even a revamped duellers style guild.

I'd truly make this place sandbox island irrelevant from the main story and gearing progression. Go wacky. Have taxi's that can take players to other districts. Let players view cinematics they've seen in a cinema in the pleasure district. Have a separate currency that can be earned on the island. Have a casino, racing, trial of style, mount offs, brawlers guild, renowns with cartels. They could even do a precursor/test for housing with your own personal pleasure pad? Most importantly. You have to spawn on Kezan and take a very impressive lift down into undermine that shows it off. Undermine should really be done in style. It has a lot of potential.

Damn, I was so close to predicting this.

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Also, finally got home and watched the direct. Pleasantly surprised. Anxious about housing, but optimistic, it will surely start small and only grow in time. They know they can't afford to get housing wrong.

Also anxious about horrific visions, gameplay wise they were fine but I didn't love going back to old zones with a new coat of purple paint for the world quests and mount drops.

I am disappointed it seems they're going back on having multiple delve companions, was excited for Gazlowe.

I agree that the new yellow plunderstorm like banner is probably related to housing, but as the bar does turn fel green it does seem plausible that remix Legion is on the way. Not a bad thing, although I was expecting it to go in order from Pandaria onwards, this does mean they can jump to whichever expansion they like however. Its not like we started from BC.

Slightly disappointed on no new mega dungeon, as my group of friends get together to give those a shot every time they come out.

Litttttle bit worried that 11.2 doesn't specify a new zone, I can't imagine a major patch without one and I can't see this expansion ending on undermine as the final zone. If rootlands is cancelled, it lessens our chances at Harronir, but maybe they've realised putting Allied races that are neutral with no shown faction identity is a mistake in the long run. Despite how the story has evolved, it is important for the playable race to be involved with the chosen faction. At least Pandaren let you meet both factions, quest with them, and choose which one you identify with more. Part of me believes Earthern in production were Alliance only, and Harronir Horde with the scrapped rootlands on release.

D.R.I.V.E seems hilarious, I'm so glad they've allowed themselves to go Zany with this new patch. Still hoping for a really impressive vehicular entrance into Undermine and not a portal, I did notice the drill machine is on little tracks, so hopefully we ride that there and get an impressive view on arrival. Its something so so simple, but really shows off the feel of the zone. Dragonriding is great, but entering a zone on your ground mount back in the old days let you live and breath the scale and flavour of the world around you. I remember the wonder of riding the Howling Fjord lifts, wondering what was on the top of the cliff. Taking the elevator down into Undercity for the first time. Riding my ground mount over the bridges of Jade Forest wondering how high it really went. Seriously, Dragonriding is great, but portals are over utilised. (The WoD train would of been beautiful)

[Joshuaj]

Damn, I was so close to predicting this.

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Also, finally got home and watched the direct. Pleasantly surprised. Anxious about housing, but optimistic, it will surely start small and only grow in time. They know they can't afford to get housing wrong.

Also anxious about horrific visions, gameplay wise they were fine but I didn't love going back to old zones with a new coat of purple paint for the world quests and mount drops.

I am disappointed it seems they're going back on having multiple delve companions, was excited for Gazlowe.

I agree that the new yellow plunderstorm like banner is probably related to housing, but as the bar does turn fel green it does seem plausible that remix Legion is on the way. Not a bad thing, although I was expecting it to go in order from Pandaria onwards, this does mean they can jump to whichever expansion they like however. Its not like we started from BC.

Undermine looks great so far, slightly disappointed on no new mega dungeon, as my group of friends get together to give those a shot every time they come out.

Litttttle bit worried that 11.2 doesn't specify a new zone, I can't imagine a major patch without one and I can't see this expansion ending on undermine as the final zone. If rootlands is cancelled, it lessens our chances at Harronir, but maybe they've realised putting Allied races that are neutral with no shown faction identity is a mistake in the long run. Despite how the story has evolved, it is important for the playable race to be involved with the chosen faction. At least Pandaren let you meet both factions, quest with them, and choose which one you identify with more. Part of me believes Earthern in production were Alliance only, and Harronir Horde with the scrapped rootlands on release.

D.R.I.V.E seems hilarious, I'm so glad they've allowed themselves to go Zany with this new patch. Still hoping for a really impressive vehicular entrance into Undermine and not a portal, I did notice the drill machine is on little tracks, so hopefully we ride that there and get an impressive view on arrival. Its something so so simple, but really shows off the feel of the zone. Dragonriding is great, but entering a zone on your ground mount back in the old days let you live and breath the scale and flavour of the world around you. I remember the wonder of riding the Howling Fjord lifts, wondering what was on the top of the cliff. Taking the elevator down into Undercity for the first time. Riding my ground mount over the bridges of Jade Forest wondering how high it really went. Seriously, Dragonriding is great, but portals are over utilised. (The WoD train would of been beautiful)

You were partially right with the Golden Saucer which is cool. Hope the Gallagio has actual playable Casino games! That would be cool.

Also, I do hope we see some Highway stuff or Racetracks with the D.R.I.V.E system! Based off what I've seen in pictures, it seems like we could be getting a Gas system as well, namely with there being gas stations and whatnot.

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And if you're wondering, no, the things above the buildings are not roadways above ground. Those are Sewage Pipelines, which makes sense considering it's underground.

[Holdodlig]

Damn, I was so close to predicting this.

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Also, finally got home and watched the direct. Pleasantly surprised. Anxious about housing, but optimistic, it will surely start small and only grow in time. They know they can't afford to get housing wrong.

Also anxious about horrific visions, gameplay wise they were fine but I didn't love going back to old zones with a new coat of purple paint for the world quests and mount drops.

I am disappointed it seems they're going back on having multiple delve companions, was excited for Gazlowe.

I agree that the new yellow plunderstorm like banner is probably related to housing, but as the bar does turn fel green it does seem plausible that remix Legion is on the way. Not a bad thing, although I was expecting it to go in order from Pandaria onwards, this does mean they can jump to whichever expansion they like however. Its not like we started from BC.

Slightly disappointed on no new mega dungeon, as my group of friends get together to give those a shot every time they come out.

Litttttle bit worried that 11.2 doesn't specify a new zone, I can't imagine a major patch without one and I can't see this expansion ending on undermine as the final zone. If rootlands is cancelled, it lessens our chances at Harronir, but maybe they've realised putting Allied races that are neutral with no shown faction identity is a mistake in the long run. Despite how the story has evolved, it is important for the playable race to be involved with the chosen faction. At least Pandaren let you meet both factions, quest with them, and choose which one you identify with more. Part of me believes Earthern in production were Alliance only, and Harronir Horde with the scrapped rootlands on release.

D.R.I.V.E seems hilarious, I'm so glad they've allowed themselves to go Zany with this new patch. Still hoping for a really impressive vehicular entrance into Undermine and not a portal, I did notice the drill machine is on little tracks, so hopefully we ride that there and get an impressive view on arrival. Its something so so simple, but really shows off the feel of the zone. Dragonriding is great, but entering a zone on your ground mount back in the old days let you live and breath the scale and flavour of the world around you. I remember the wonder of riding the Howling Fjord lifts, wondering what was on the top of the cliff. Taking the elevator down into Undercity for the first time. Riding my ground mount over the bridges of Jade Forest wondering how high it really went. Seriously, Dragonriding is great, but portals are over utilised. (The WoD train would of been beautiful)

Since they're bringing back vision, we can assume that either Renilash is falling upon us so we get void vs light influence everywhere (and maybe we go back to some BFA zones like Boralus and Zandalar like we did with Uldum and Vale) or they'll extend the outdoor experience of Khaz'Algar with Legion Invasion-like events.

[Joshuaj]

Since they're adding in Cars and we're getting a House and whatnot, another thing I'd love to see Blizzard do is update the Darkmoon Faire again, but this time in a much greater extent.

Like make the island bigger, add in more things like a Ferris Wheel, a drop ride, Bumper Cars, more fun cosmetic rewards for participating, updates to the racing stuff (like adding a D.R.I.V.E Track and a Skyriding race area), another bigger Rollercoaster. and provide updates to the older activities as well (Like the Merry Go Round, the rock areas VIA making the stages cooler or something like that, etc).

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Blizzard definitely has the tech to make all of this happen. Heck, I'd love to see them do Casino mini games like BlackJack or Poker or slots (But with WoW instead), however you can only do limited games (like 3 rounds a game per day or so, and with limited bet options I.E max bet being 50 gold a game, to avoid gambling addictions), and you need an invitation for these Casinos (So like, say these things are available for the non-raid version of the Galagio, you'd need to earn an invitation by your respective cartel, or steal someone else's invitation in order to get it). Doing bets for race courses would also be cool (but it'd have to work like the casino stuff).

[Worldshaper]

Serious question for people excited for the cars in Undermine: do you feel this fits an online fantasy world like WoW, or is there a line that they could cross for you where something like this would start to ruin the immersion?

[Joshuaj]

Serious question for people excited for the cars in Undermine: do you feel this fits an online fantasy world like WoW, or is there a line that they could cross for you where something like this would start to ruin the immersion?

We literally have Spaceships in WoW and WC2 had oil. Heck, we recently just got fighter jets in Legion, and Hearthstone (While non canon, it still works within the rules of the Warcraft universe) just recently doubled down on that aspect by giving us spaceships, fighter jets that work both on a planet and in space, etc.

Not to mention WoW's had submarines, robots, demonic robots, mech suits, planes, tanks, crazy ass machine gun artillery, and more.

Cars are not crossing any line.

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Heck, we literally have roads and an example of cars in Cata. If anything, WoW doubling down on this is perfect.

Heck, now I want a customizable Goblin or Gnome Jet mount lol. It's very much possible now, they only need to design the mount.

[Scyth]

Finally watched the whole direct. MoP Classic is the thing I'm most excited for as I never played it when it was current. Really enjoyed questing there during MoP Remix so can't wait to go back!
Roadmap says it releases in Summer but raids won't come until Autumn though, do they always do that for Classic releases? Feels a bit odd not to have any raids for a few months, unless I missread the roadmap.

As for Undermined, I actually quite like it. It's quite different to what we've got so far although I can't help but feel it's a bit of a meme patch lol
Love the casino and the car though, hope they do a good job at it. GTA within WoW sounds promising!

Also, looks like Midnight might release early 2026, unless they are keeping something from us and intentionally did not put it at the end of the roadmap. Interesting.

[Joshuaj]

Finally watched the whole direct. MoP Classic is the thing I'm most excited for as I never played it when it was current. Really enjoyed questing there during MoP Remix so can't wait to go back!
Roadmap says it releases in Summer but raids won't come until Autumn though, do they always do that for Classic releases? Feels a bit odd not to have any raids for a few months, unless I missread the roadmap.

As for Undermined, I actually quite like it. It's quite different to what we've got so far although I can't help but feel it's a bit of a meme patch lol
Love the casino and the car though, hope they do a good job at it. GTA within WoW sounds promising!

Hoping for race courses and highway stuff lol.

[Nymrohd]

I'm glad, though there was always elements of Undermine above ground - Bilgewater Port, the Motherlode, etc. Presumably we won't be visiting those regions from the Undermine zone itself.

Yeah, part of me does feel that this looks good but it will still feel unfinished if it is just Undermine because it just makes me think we will never get Kezan itself

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Finally watched the whole direct. MoP Classic is the thing I'm most excited for as I never played it when it was current. Really enjoyed questing there during MoP Remix so can't wait to go back!
Roadmap says it releases in Summer but raids won't come until Autumn though, do they always do that for Classic releases? Feels a bit odd not to have any raids for a few months, unless I missread the roadmap.

As for Undermined, I actually quite like it. It's quite different to what we've got so far although I can't help but feel it's a bit of a meme patch lol
Love the casino and the car though, hope they do a good job at it. GTA within WoW sounds promising!

Also, looks like Midnight might release early 2026, unless they are keeping something from us and intentionally did not put it at the end of the roadmap. Interesting.

I'd say it is way too early to commit to a release quarter.

[huth]

Serious question for people excited for the cars in Undermine: do you feel this fits an online fantasy world like WoW, or is there a line that they could cross for you where something like this would start to ruin the immersion?

There is absolutely nothing about cars that would prevent them from existing in a Fantasy world.

Or any other technology, for that matter. Mere existence does not stop the world from being Fantasy.

For that matter, SciFi and Fantasy are not mutually exclusive.

[Joshuaj]

Housing in WoW should be like Wildstars housing imo

[Golden Yak]

Wildstar housing was so damn good, if you didn't play it you don't even know. You ain't know. You can't.

[Joshuaj]

Wildstar housing was so damn good, if you didn't play it you don't even know. You ain't know. You can't.

Considering I played Wildstar over WoD back in the day...

I ain't nothing BUT knowing.

[Golden Yak]

I miss it.

Shine on, you crazy space diamond.

[Joshuaj]

Warcraft should have housing like Wildstars, and I'm convinced they could easily make it work.

Heck, I'd also love to see multiple size options for houses as well. So like, a small, regular house like the one in the teaser would be easily affordable to every player, but a bigger house with more room potential (like easy kitchen or bathroom options, etc) would cost quite a bit more, and second or third story house would cost even more than that.

However, if you buy said certain house sizes, all racial customization options for said size (Both interior and exterior) become instantly accessible to you as well

Meaning, as long as you have the house building size bought, you can customize and live in a 2 story Tauren Hut/House, a 2 story Orc Hut or House, a 2 story Night Elven house, or something like that.

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Ngl, I can easily see Blizzard making all of this happen, especially since they've seemingly been working on this for years now.

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Blizzard should also give players the option to add garages, use their house as a farm, maybe create cosmetic or literal defense systems for your house, create a windmill, etc.

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Yes, some of these I took from Wildstar. Good. The more influence, the better!

[KainneAbsolute]

I wonder if we are getting housing in Midnight because we are going to get exiled and need to populate a new area.

[Auxis]

Crazy thought: the 20 year "recap" trailer we got shows all of the big bads/endings of each expansion (excluding KJ. It did show Illidan). Everyone except the ending of BFA. They showed us fighting Zovaal of all people despite the playerbase clowning on him constantly - so they still recognise him as the end boss of SL. But for BFA we just got a shot of a paladin yeeting a shield at some trolls... why not show us killing N'zoth.... unless we didn't kill him? We fought him in Nyalotha, the entire patch was called 'Visions of N'zoth', regardless of how many times the devs tell us the OG's are dead-dead, we see evidence that they don't abide to our concept of death - they remain, linger.

And we are getting an updated set of Visions on the roadmap...