The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And they introduced a black female titan... just to fulfill their wokism quota. This is ridiculous...the Titans aren't even white, they're silver/gold/blue/red...I hate this blackwashing.

Legion already showed that titans can be brown.

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Is a new face.

Strikes me as somewhat Light-adjacent. Doubt it's Azeroth because the bronze and indigo doesn't line up with the gold and cerulean of azerite. I'm doubtful this is canon, regardless. I'm skeptical that they'd introduce something as relevant as new titans in a Hearthstone expansion, and it seems like these were just invented to meet the demand of a titan per class.

The exception to that assumption may be if one of the titans is going to be an alternate universe version of the world-soul Sargeras killed.

And they introduced a black female titan... just to fulfill their wokism quota. This is ridiculous...the Titans aren't even white, they're silver/gold/blue/red...I hate this blackwashing.

It looks a bit too much like a human skin color, but I think it makes sense to just assume it's a dark copper. It's not that distracting, and it doesn't stand out too significantly to me from the other titans. I would have much preferred if her hair were different, however, since all the other titans have metallic colors to their hair. I'd rather it have been a brass or light copper color, and her skin perhaps be a bit more saturated to emphasize its metallic coloring.

[Raetary]

Legion already showed that titans can be brown.

I mean, we don't even need Aggramars corrupted self for that.

He was always brown.
As was Sargeras, Khaz'goroth and Eonar.

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Negro titan

That escalated quickly. Another I suppose will go the way of @Edward Wu?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, we don't even need Aggramars corrupted self for that.

He was always brown.
As was Sargeras, Khaz'goroth and Eonar.

There way more bronze then brown but it’s not like there limited in tone like Agg shows.

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Yeah, that looks too human to me.

My point is that I think it's just an iffy design that doesn't look much like a titan; I don't think it's strictly a matter of "wokeism" or any of that other culture war nonsense.

New trading post items announced - Blood troll armor is here, gul'dan staff, netherwing dragonriding drake and others.

Updated netherwing? That's pretty sweet!

[Khaza-R]

Strikes me as somewhat Light-adjacent. Doubt it's Azeroth because the bronze and indigo doesn't line up with the gold and cerulean of azerite. I'm doubtful this is canon, regardless. I'm skeptical that they'd introduce something as relevant as new titans in a Hearthstone expansion, and it seems like these were just invented to meet the demand of a titan per class.

The exception to that assumption may be if one of the titans is going to be an alternate universe version of the world-soul Sargeras killed.

This is a good point. Perhaps this new titan never existed in our timeline or maybe they were lost to the Void eons ago and are something different entirely now. Still, Its fun to speculate.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

but like deities that have their own physique so seeing a Negro titan is weird.

Mabye if your a blunder racist it’s weird but any normal person isn’t gonna have a problem with them using a similar tone to what we have had since legion but without the red lines

[Santandame]

I mean, we don't even need Aggramars corrupted self for that.

He was always brown.
As was Sargeras, Khaz'goroth and Eonar.

Eonar is definitely not brown. She’s bronze.

[Raetary]

I'm doubtful this is canon, regardless.

Well, it definitely isn't canon.
For now.

But we know the hearthstone and wow team work in tandem, and when we eventually explore more titan lore, those characters are undoubtly gonna be canonized and show up.

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Eonar is definitely not brown. She’s bronze.

Which is literally brown, just shiny.

[Kiivar86]

Eonar is definitely not brown. She’s bronze.

Which is defined (metal-wise) as a yellow-brown alloy. Also good lord imagine getting all bothered by a darker skinned titan. Heaven forbid. No one had an issue with Argus being teal.

edit: To clarify, the bothered part is more for someone else being fussy about it.

[Santandame]

Which is defined (metal-wise) as a yellow-brown alloy. Also good lord imagine getting all bothered by a darker skinned titan. Heaven forbid. No one had an issue with Argus being teal.

I’m not bothered at all and haven’t implied that anywhere, so less of that implication please. I’m just saying if you look at Eonar you see bronze, not what we would commonly refer to as brown in terms of someone’s skin colour.

[Kiivar86]

I’m not bothered at all and haven’t implied that anywhere, so less of that implication please. I’m just saying if you look at Eonar you see bronze, not what we would commonly refer to as brown in terms of someone’s skin colour.

Apologies, that part was more for the other one kicking up a fuss. I didn't mean to imply you there. I edited in a clarification.

[Santandame]

Apologies, that part was more for the other one kicking up a fuss. I didn't mean to imply you there. I edited in a clarification.

My bad too, I probably should have considered that going off how the last page went. No harm.

[Mekkle]

man it must suck being black, you simply exist, and someone calls you woke.

[Skildar]

Oh, surely we must enjoy the presence of the ineffable First Ones. I mean, they're like the Titans, but Danuser says they're cooler. Ergo, they must be cooler.



The issue is a profound risk of tonal overcorrection moving forward. Dragonflight is a microcosm of this, and it's all very unpleasant. In spite of generally having a better and more sensible story than the main plotline in BfA and the entirety of Shadowlands, Dragonflight has been tonally-insufferable. It's very good in every other respect, which makes the tone even more frustrating. Hopefully, 10.0 will go ahead and take a darker turn to put everything back on course. Unfortunately, I do fear that daring to touch a sufficiently-dark topic in the future will set Twitter frothing. Although I'm still very uncertain about the original variant of the Alexstrasza quest making the protagonist a retroactive quasi-accessory in Alexstrasza's rape, I am very certain in my opposition to overcorrection leading to the scrubbing of all content of that stripe. I fear that they'll start scrubbing even where it doesn't feel reflective of Blizzard's real-world history, and we know full well that the execs will take any opportunity to placate privileged Twitter users who value surface-level acknowledgments of their feelings over any signal of valuable alteration in their conduct.

In regards to how I would like to see things work going forward, I think the ideal tone is something closer to BfA. I think it was one of the better expansions in its general tone, but it was made very awkward by the Teletubbies philosophy the protagonists expounded and the one-dimensional portrayal of the forces of both good and evil. If Blizzard elevates the nuance of the moral frameworks the characters employ, I could see an expansion with a similar tone turning out to be the most appealing vision of WarCraft, at least to me.

The issue is that in the recent expansion (bfa and dragonflight) they remove every basic needs of individuals and people. Then of course any culture and races becomes one with no other need than peace and every resources to reach it.

Dragons do not need to eat apparently, therefore centaurs do not fear them and can remains prosperous with their hunt and everyone wants to be their pals.
Harvesting is an unknown artform on the dragon isles because people only eat meat and there is an abondance of it.
They can hoard whatever amount of gold and artefact without attracting parties of burglars, noone wants to sack their home despite many factions having suffered raids of dragons. Because everyone understands and accepts that these dragons are nice and friendly and could never ever hurt anyone. It's shockingly true, they really don't ever hurt anyone.

Horde and Alliance apparently don't have money issue or lack any resources despite having rollercoaster demographies with seldom land acquisition or loss. They also do not need new land, don't feel threaten by anyone because anyone can be your friend if you help them enough and invest on them resources you pull out of your ass.

There is no storytelling about war if you remove the bare politic and basic needs of people. You can't get to the ugly part of a race and their socities if you don't give them any reason to go there. Why do we need an army ? to protect yourself from people that raid. Why do they raid? Sometimes because its rewarding and sometimes because they're in situations where they don't have the land or the infrastructure to care for their people. Sometimes to cover the cost of the army and investment in defenses. It's basic and yet it works.

But we don't even get halfway there because peace and war are apparently unrelated and all you need for peace is the willpower to forgive and be friends...

[huth]

man it must suck being black, you simply exist, and someone calls you woke.

Titan skin colour is a weird topic anyway. There's basically one example of any colour, so it's not exactly something worth talking about to begin with.

[Skildar]

We've had great stories about people that resort to the help of gods and unfortunately end up under their servitude or in a situation with no escape. Dark Iron Dwarves and Dragon Maw Orcs both work there, these are good stories but imagine telling them today. The story will end up being about how to help them get out of this situation they've created for themselves despite their acts of aggression. We would destroy their tyrant, rendering them free and completely forgetting why they resorted to the help of that god.

Yeah everyone is happy and we live in peace! Wait oh shit that is exactly what we did for the dark iron dwarves... they still live in a volcano and have no farmable land or access to food... I guess it's not an issue if you don't acknowledge it in game...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We've had great stories about people that resort to the help of gods and unfortunately end up under their servitude or in a situation with no escape. Dark Iron Dwarves and Dragon Maw Orcs both work there, these are good stories but imagine telling them today. The story will end up being about how to help them get out of this situation they've created for themselves despite their acts of aggression. We would destroy their tyrant, rendering them free and completely forgetting why they resorted to the help of that god.

Yeah everyone is happy and we live in peace! Wait oh shit that is exactly what we did for the dark iron dwarves... they still live in a volcano and have no farmable land or access to food... I guess it's not an issue if you don't acknowledge it in game...

We already had similar story’s with the centaur and gnolls in dragon flight, we killed the centaur leader and kept fighting them Even getting Baine in on it, and with the gnolls there leader ran off and we will continue to fight them.

We won’t see every such conflict end in peace.

[Kiivar86]

My bad too, I probably should have considered that going off how the last page went. No harm.

All good! Glad we could figure that out!

Honestly it is kinda funny to me the whole metallic skin thing anyway. That seems kind of a remnant of back when they were more norse-themed (aesir and vanir titans).

As for the trading post, I'm actually a bit disappointed with the nether drake. I was expecting more. Least its usable as a dragonriding mount. (edit: Oh right pretty much all dragons being made available in the patch, right)