The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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Why do you think he's racist? What bothers him is not the skin color itself, but whether it's adding a new titan by only filling quotas.

Honestly I don't care a bit because it's definitely not canon but I understand what he means. You should consider avoiding shouting racism as soon as someone expresses their displeasure. You don't know the reasons or motivations.

For the term "negro", it just means black in Spanish. It's like in French, some don't want to say "noir" for fear of being treated as racist so they use the term "black" which means exactly the same thing. Let's call a spade, a spade please.

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[Skildar]

We already had similar story’s with the centaur and gnolls in dragon flight, we killed the centaur leader and kept fighting them Even getting Baine in on it, and with the gnolls there leader ran off and we will continue to fight them.

We won’t see every such conflict end in peace.

Not really similar stories, just similar resolution though. Where we hug and forget why we fought and why the conflict rose in a first place. I would say it's almost a form of harassment in dragonflight how much they push for their "let's all be nice and respectful".

In recent questlines I was happily getting behind Azuregos because he was telling things like they are : "We don't have time for this and we can't let everyone do as they please, we're the blue dragonflight if people start messing with the remnants of an arcane bombs we blast them with arcane energy and be done with it". But they had to impose Kalecgos naive worldview...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Let's call a spade, a spade please.

Exactly and that’s what I did. No one is buying the “it’s just Spanish” excuse.

[Sondrelk]

Which is defined (metal-wise) as a yellow-brown alloy. Also good lord imagine getting all bothered by a darker skinned titan. Heaven forbid. No one had an issue with Argus being teal.

edit: To clarify, the bothered part is more for someone else being fussy about it.

Well Teal isnt a woke skin colour obviously. The developers had to go and make her not just the woke skin colour, but the woke gender as well. Clearly they are desperate for attention. /s

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All good! Glad we could figure that out!

Honestly it is kinda funny to me the whole metallic skin thing anyway. That seems kind of a remnant of back when they were more norse-themed (aesir and vanir titans).

As for the trading post, I'm actually a bit disappointed with the nether drake. I was expecting more. Least its usable as a dragonriding mount.

The Titans were described as actually being humanoid planets when you looked closely as well at some point. They were described as having mountain ranges and rivers on their arms and whatnot.

For the Netherdrake I am just glad they keep adding more dragonriding options. Hopefully they do eventually get to making all mounts using the current dragonriding skeletons eligible for Dragonriding, but I will take the Netherdrake for now.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not really similar stories, just similar resolution though. Where we hug and forget why we fought and why the conflict rose in a first place. I would say it's almost a form of harassment in dragonflight how much they push for their "let's all be nice and respectful".

We literally killed the centaur leader and the primalist behind him only for them to attack peaceful cows who show up and Baine then going berserk and massacring them in return after going on a couple of racist rants to the friendly centaur.

Like you couldn’t get further from “ hug and forget why we fought”.

[Sondrelk]

Not really similar stories, just similar resolution though. Where we hug and forget why we fought and why the conflict rose in a first place. I would say it's almost a form of harassment in dragonflight how much they push for their "let's all be nice and respectful".

In recent questlines I was happily getting behind Azuregos because he was telling things like they are : "We don't have time for this and we can't let everyone do as they please, we're the blue dragonflight if people start messing with the remnants of an arcane bombs we blast them with arcane energy and be done with it". But they had to impose Kalecgos naive worldview...

I think you are being a bit harsh on that quest. It was less about let's all be hippies, and more about acknowledging that killing people who are grieving to make it fit more neatly on your agenda is a bit much when you could instead just talk them down from the ledge.
It was less about forgiving war criminals, and more about not shooting the obviously distressed 15 year old because it's quicker.

[Kiivar86]

Well Teal isnt a woke skin colour obviously. The developers had to go and make her not just the woke skin colour, but the woke gender as well. Clearly they are desperate for attention. /s

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The Titans were described as actually being humanoid planets when you looked closely as well at some point. They were described as having mountain ranges and rivers on their arms and whatnot.

For the Netherdrake I am just glad they keep adding more dragonriding options. Hopefully they do eventually get to making all mounts using the current dragonriding skeletons eligible for Dragonriding, but I will take the Netherdrake for now.

Hah good point. Honestly I dig their design. Also their name is apparently Amitus, for what its worth, described as a "peacekeeping titan".

And yeah I was trying to recall their descriptions as being less metal-based and more just...planetary. Which lets you get some neat designs.

I edited it in but I completely forgot about the dragon skeleton expansion thing. More options are great, and I love that it includes a few non-dragons that do use the skeletons (i.e. the firehawks).

[Sondrelk]

Hah good point. Honestly I dig their design. Also their name is apparently Amitus, for what its worth, described as a "peacekeeping titan".

And yeah I was trying to recall their descriptions as being less metal-based and more just...planetary. Which lets you get some neat designs.

I edited it in but I completely forgot about the dragon skeleton expansion thing. More options are great, and I love that it includes a few non-dragons that do use the skeletons (i.e. the firehawks).

There is the Titan that Sargeras killed because it was Old God corrupted way back when. So there is room for an extra titan if you want to just say that said titan didnt die.

[Skildar]

I think you are being a bit harsh on that quest. It was less about let's all be hippies, and more about acknowledging that killing people who are grieving to make it fit more neatly on your agenda is a bit much when you could instead just talk them down from the ledge.
It was less about forgiving war criminals, and more about not shooting the obviously distressed 15 year old because it's quicker.

approaching the mages in Theramore makes them hostile to you. Conversation starts when hostility is put aside, there was no reason for the keppers of the ordering of Arcane magic to stand down and act as Kalecgos does.

[Berkilak]

For the term "negro", it just means black in Spanish.

Your dog whistle is deafening.

[Skildar]

We literally killed the centaur leader and the primalist behind him only for them to attack peaceful cows who show up and Baine then going berserk and massacring them in return after going on a couple of racist rants to the friendly centaur.

Like you couldn’t get further from “ hug and forget why we fought”.

You're right but the thing is that the evil centaurs are distinct from the civilised ones and there is no reason provided to why they are warmongering. They're just presented as ambitious and without respect for anything... evil

So Baine is making peace with other hippies, which boils down to Baine got racist and realized that "when we put aside our differences we see we are kind of the same"

[Teriz]

Why do you think he's racist? What bothers him is not the skin color itself, but whether it's adding a new titan by only filling quotas.

Which is an assumption you make when you have a problem with the skin color itself.

Honestly I don't care a bit because it's definitely not canon but I understand what he means. You should consider avoiding shouting racism as soon as someone expresses their displeasure. You don't know the reasons or motivations.

For the term "negro", it just means black in Spanish. It's like in French, some don't want to say "noir" for fear of being treated as racist so they use the term "black" which means exactly the same thing. Let's call a spade, a spade please.

Except he wasn't speaking Spanish, he was speaking English. In English speaking countries and places that term is offensive. Please stop using it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

You're right but the thing is that the evil centaurs are distinct from the civilised ones and there is no reason provided to why they are warmongering. They're just presented as ambitious and without respect for anything... evil

So Baine is making peace with other hippies, which boils down to Baine got racist and realized that "when we put aside our differences we see we are kind of the same"

Calling them hippies is just very lame and yeah Baine realizing these Centuar aren't like the ones he is used to and he was a bit focused on hatred. Its a very common story. There's no problem here.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're right but the thing is that the evil centaurs are distinct from the civilised ones and there is no reason provided to why they are warmongering. They're just presented as ambitious and without respect for anything... evil

So Baine is making peace with other hippies, which boils down to Baine got racist and realized that "when we put aside our differences we see we are kind of the same"

And that’s the same for the dragon maw to no? They did bad stuff and then put that aside to join the “good” horde in cata and then are presented as just evil under garrosh again in mop while every one including the alliance put aside there differences and makes peace with the hippie orcs. And as you pointed out they already did the same with the dwarfs

Blizzards m.o hasn’t changed at all in regards to this stuff.

[Berkilak]

Are you telling me that calling a black a black is offensive?

Using the phrase “a black” is absolutely racist, yes.

[Aucald]

It should go without saying that discussing real-world race is not a permitted topic in this or any other thread. Stop engaging with obvious bait and let's refocus the discussion back toward 10.X patches and future expansion speculation as opposed to real-world sociopolitics

[Kiivar86]

Hopefully the description will explain, but anyone have any theories as to why its called a Grotto Netherdrake? I remember when the name first was found in files there were theories it was related to the Dream but that doesn't seem the case to me.

[rainhard]

Ok who is amitus and how do we know it

[Skildar]

Calling them hippies is just very lame and yeah Baine realizing these Centuar aren't like the ones he is used to and he was a bit focused on hatred. Its a very common story. There's no problem here.

I guess it's lame if you don't know what the hippy movement is about

[Raetary]

I do have a personal question though, do y'all think Amitus will be in the WoW Canon anytime soon? Or will she be HS exclusive?

Is that actually her name?
Where did you get the info from?

And yes, she will undoubtedly appear whenever the wow team decides to expand the Pantheon.
It'd be moronic not to, when the character and her art is readily available for them to use.

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New titan aside, i'm more interested in a potential Azeroth art reveal.

I really wonder if they finally created a design for her.