The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

It's something that Blizzard really needs to resolve once and for all. Stormwind is one death away to collapse into a possible civil war and/or a military takeover. Just in WoW lore, it had three regents.

To bad that Stormwind kings had a bad track record in Warcraft Lore. Llane got assassinated; Varian got kidnapped, split into two, of which one was a puppet, had temper issues due to that and died valiantly; and Anduin who had Trauma from a absent father and a dead mother, got burried under an ancient bell, got tortured and dominated in hell, and we have to see how he ends up. Anduin has to return home and provide for an heir to the throne or change Stormwind from a monarchy to another form of government if he can't be a king.

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Thinking about the Stormwind succession crisis and looking at Gilneas and Lordaeron, Stromgardes recent troubles from the audio drama, and the Kirin Tor story this week, seems all to be interesting things to brew for a EK revamp.

I don't think it will happen in Midnight, as that would dilute from the saga too much, but the next saga could very well start there.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Some PTR developments:

The "World" row for the Great Vault now requires 12 activities to fill, instead of 8.

Of course... the "Delves only" solo-players are freaking out on the WoW Reddit. It's interesting because the row is not for Delves only, but Delves are the only way to get the highest reward possible if you only do solo-player content.

The comments are wild.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...o_max_out_the/

Blizzard does have a niche community on their hands of people who log in and just do 8 Delves, log off, swap toons, rinse & repeat. They should anticipate this kind of backlash.

[Enrif]

Some PTR developments:

The "World" row for the Great Vault now requires 12 activities to fill, instead of 8.

Of course... the "Delves only" solo-players are freaking out on the WoW Reddit. It's interesting because the row is not for Delves only, but Delves are the only way to get the highest reward possible if you only do solo-player content.

The comments are wild.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...o_max_out_the/

I don't think these are the "delves only" players, but the players that force themself to do delves for their M+ or Raids to get extra chances. As a person that is a "only Delves" player for TWW, i have no issue with this change, as i don't need all three slots filled anyway.

[Lady Atia]

I don't think these are the "delves only" players, but the players that force themself to do delves for their M+ or Raids to get extra chances. As a person that is a "only Delves" player for TWW, i have no issue with this change, as i don't need all three slots filled anyway.

But you literally didn't had to fill your delve vault after the first week since the loot there was super low anyways?

(If you do Mythic raids and +10 keys)

[Cheezits]

As a delve only player these days I can confirm we exist. I think 12 isnt THAT much but if they are worried about us not playing the game enough I would rather do 10.

[Enrif]

But you literally didn't had to fill your delve vault after the first week since the loot there was super low anyways?

(If you do Mythic raids and +10 keys)

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i don't know how those people think. But i wouldn't be surprised. Also not everyone with that mindset does mythic or +10, some just do heroic raids and may be doing +5

[FossilFree]

Yeah, sure, but that was ages ago, and were crawling through a hive , not really through C'thuns body.
We had Black Wing Lair in Classic and Black Wing Descent in Cata.
We had Ulduar in WotLK and Antorus also used titan aesthetics.

I don't think "having similar themes and aesthetics about 20 years apart" is a reason not to do a certain raid.

It might be cool if it was like going in Nespirah in Vashj'ir instead of just tentacles and flesh covering a bunch of buildings.

[Scyth]

Some PTR developments:

The "World" row for the Great Vault now requires 12 activities to fill, instead of 8.

Of course... the "Delves only" solo-players are freaking out on the WoW Reddit. It's interesting because the row is not for Delves only, but Delves are the only way to get the highest reward possible if you only do solo-player content.

The comments are wild.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...o_max_out_the/

Blizzard does have a niche community on their hands of people who log in and just do 8 Delves, log off, swap toons, rinse & repeat. They should anticipate this kind of backlash.

My issue with this is delves are not particularly fun after a few weeks of doing them but I want to do them on alts as they are an easy way to gear (cba with m+).
If this change goes live it would require a lot more time spent in delves on alts in which case I'd probably rather not do them at all.

[Cheezits]

After taking a look at the roadmap, I take back what I said about the story completing in 11.1.5. The raid will actually release before the expansion reveal, for some reason I thought it came out before.



So I assume we do in fact fight Xal (as the zombie ghost) in the Rootlands and it is revealed there what happens to lead up to Midnight. Xal has been confirmed to appear through the saga but she is not ACTUALLY the elf, and the elf is the poster villain and main MSQ villain, so she's likely to be the final fight. Or they could twist it and it's her old god form or a ghost of it.

[huth]

So I assume we do in fact fight Xal (as the zombie ghost) in the Rootlands and it is revealed there what happens to lead up to Midnight. Xal has been confirmed to appear through the saga but she is not ACTUALLY the elf, and the elf is the poster villain and main MSQ villain, so she's likely to be the final fight. Or they could twist it and it's her old god form or a ghost of it.

There's also the options that she just leaves partway through the fight or we get incapacitated/unable to continue the fight somehow. They could even do something similar to the Arthas fight in Halls of Reflection, were we aren't even trying to beat her but just trying to get away and a straight-up fight would be unwinnable.

[Cheezits]

There's also the options that she just leaves partway through the fight or we get incapacitated/unable to continue the fight somehow. They could even do something similar to the Arthas fight in Halls of Reflection, were we aren't even trying to beat her but just trying to get away and a straight-up fight would be unwinnable.

It would be cool if we destroy her elf form but then have to run away from the revealed monster form (in the same fight).

[Enrif]

After taking a look at the roadmap, I take back what I said about the story completing in 11.1.5. The raid will actually release before the expansion reveal, for some reason I thought it came out before.



So I assume we do in fact fight Xal (as the zombie ghost) in the Rootlands and it is revealed there what happens to lead up to Midnight. Xal has been confirmed to appear through the saga but she is not ACTUALLY the elf, and the elf is the poster villain and main MSQ villain, so she's likely to be the final fight. Or they could twist it and it's her old god form or a ghost of it.

Looking at the roadmap, and knowing what we know from the PTR, i thing 11.1.5 will 100% be the culmination of the black blood story line. Nightfall will likely be Hallowfall falling to the void completely giving us perhaps similar content to what we saw with the void assaults in BfA, and the revised Horrific visions will be there to tally up the old god story for good, and also be a link towards Midnight. Let's remember the two bosses of the horrific visions are Thrall and Alleria, and both are part of the story right now.

As for 11.2. i don't buy the rootlands things yet. Maybe as as part of a new zone, but not as the new zone in total. 11.2. has to clean up whatever is happening in 11.1.5. and make us ready for Midnight. Coreway or Worldcore are possible, but i think the focus will be on Hallowfall and the sea area there.

[Ersula]

It would be cool if we destroy her elf form but then have to run away from the revealed monster form (in the same fight).

She needed the elf body because she has no physical form at all; the other old gods devoured it. She could get a new form at any time though.

[Golden Yak]

I'm still thinking that 11.2 Rootlands will include not just the harronir lands, but also massive Black Blood corruption (the new Delve coming next patch is just a preview) and the Worldcore structures. So roots, titan stuff, and Black Blood will be the main visuals. Worldcore raid, with Xal as a boss, ends in her defeat (not necessarily death) and destruction of the Worldcore, leaving the Worldsoul 'up for grabs' and prompting the Void's major incursion to claim it in Midnight.

[Joshuaj]

Hardly the same thing, at all. AQ were temple ruins with an Old God at the center. Ny'alotha was completely different.

Considering the area where Il'gynoth was fought and even fighting your way towards (and inside) of Carapace of N'Zoth afterall.

Were all the fleshy parts not part of C'Thun's body? Always assumed that was the implication.

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I'm still thinking that 11.2 Rootlands will include not just the harronir lands, but also massive Black Blood corruption (the new Delve coming next patch is just a preview) and the Worldcore structures. So roots, titan stuff, and Black Blood will be the main visuals. Worldcore raid, with Xal as a boss, ends in her defeat (not necessarily death) and destruction of the Worldcore, leaving the Worldsoul 'up for grabs' and prompting the Void's major incursion to claim it in Midnight.

It took me so long to realize they're called Haranir LMAOOO

[Golden Yak]

They changed it on us, I can't be expected to adapt that quickly!

[Khaza-R]

I am betting on Alleria getting possessed by Xal by the end of Nightfall. Then running off to do her Midnight shenangians.

[Centerblock]

Theory with no real basis: We go to Rootlands in 11.2 and Xal's new Old God form consists of her somehow possessing the tree, taking on the appearance of the mysterious fifth Old God in Chronicles that had the root tentacles with leaves on it

[Cheezits]

Yeah I definitely think the writers took the idea of the fifth old god being connected to roots and ran with it based on that illustration, leading to Xals first expansion being one with giant roots everywhere. Whether or not it has been secretly planned for a while that there's another world tree underground is up in the air. I could also see an old idea being that she would be tied to Teldrassil/Amirdrassil but that was scrapped.

That crystal in the "Xal" old god mural could be connected to the "giant flower" hinted at in a nerubian text. Hell, she could've come from a crystal like Beledar that is now purified by Elun'ahir, creating the flower, and she wantd the crystal back.

Actually, you want a crackpot theory? Kaja'mite is green because it is part of a worldsoul crystal infused with Life and/or Spirit magic, which may or may not be connected to Elun'ahir. Orwenya will eventually see Kajamite (she hasn't yet) and mention how it is similar to stuff from the Rootlands. Leading to the "Homecoming" chapter where she realizes that's why we all have to go there.

[Joshuaj]

Got gold in all of the normal Undermine courses. While it does have it's moments where the movement glitches (PTR's gotta PTR, ya know?), this has been really fun lmaooo

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Honestly, I think y'all should have the top speed, acceleration, and speed boost amps for when y'all are experienced at this. Otherwise, a lot of the complaints I've seen regarding the Cars speed are genuinely skill based.

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When I said this was Need for Speed but in WoW, I meant it. Get on the PTR and practice, y'all!