The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foolicious]

It took me so long to realize they're called Haranir LMAOOO

I'm still confused at times what they are called officially. Doesn't help that the german localization uses both terms for some reason.

You already saw one when the Stonevault was re-activated. And now everybody who did the questline can make one.

I don't think they are the same. They are both essentially earthen with free will granted by azeroth, but the thraegar from legend have been transformed into living crystal. Thats why magni is instantly recognized as one. Probably also the reason why the thraegar memorial is a giant crystal formation.

[Nightshade711]

(As a small sidenote, it's interesting that somebody in Medivh's office seems to have stuck a little blade into a model of Azeroth. Given Medivh and Sargeras' history together, it would be funny if Medivh somehow directed his attack. But I digress and it's probably just an easter egg planted by Blizzard for us to speculate about. It certainly adds an interesting element to the quote about the "Lord of Ravens turning the key".)

On the topic of Medivh… he is still alive and roaming around the twisting nether as of Legion. It would be interesting to see if blizzard ever brings him back & how they’d do so.

(I’m personally still expecting a reforged Atiesh legendary after Xal’atath shattered it in the Dalaran cinematic. Would be cool for him to make a cameo to help repair it in some way.)

[milkmustache]

On the topic of Medivh… he is still alive and roaming around the twisting nether as of Legion. It would be interesting to see if blizzard ever brings him back & how they’d do so.

(I’m personally still expecting a reforged Atiesh legendary after Xal’atath shattered it in the Dalaran cinematic. Would be cool for him to make a cameo to help repair it in some way.)

I kind of figured he would be an Illidan type in a void expansion before the announcement of Midnight, but now I'm not so sure. Is Khadgar still technically the Guardian of Tirisfal? Perhaps we see him commune with Medivh again to discuss appointing a new Guardian since they seem to be leaning towards a bit of retirement for Khadgar after his confrontation with Xal'atath.

EDIT: Lol, what an insanely wild twist it would be if they finally made Med'an canon in Midnight.

[Golden Yak]

I'm not sure about the "rings in the sky" bit (although it adds another meaning to the Circle of Stars), but it does make sense that Sargeras might've broken part of the prison, perhaps destabilising the Worldsoul's containment in the process, and potentially causing its void-corrupted energies to start emerging again.

The Beledar, if it is indeed calcified Worldsoul-goo, sometimes goes dark since it happened, because it reflects the Worldsoul's current state. Sort of like a prism or something.

That's why the Beledar is depicted as a purple gem in Xal'atath's control (her Old God form) in that Azj-Kahet mural, because at the time the Worldsoul probably was corrupted and the Titans hadn't contained her in stasis yet.

Oh damn, I hadn't considered that. The Old Gods did a lot of work on the Worldsoul, maybe it was never really cleansed by the Titans, just contained.

And if not the Worldsoul itself, then maybe those fragments. Maybe that's why these chunks of the Worldsoul's essence exist at all, the Worldsoul expelled fragments of itself that were corrupted by the Void, like hacking off a diseased limb. It isolated the Void corruption in discarded pieces of itself, and now that corruption has been festering and getting stronger all this time, hence Beledar's 'dark' phases getting longer.

[Cheezits]

Beledar's normal state being Void and the LIGHT version being the "corrupted" form would be an insane twist. And if Xal was born from Void-turned Azeroth and/or Beledar wayyyyyy before the Titans imprisoned her. Do we actually have confirmation the Old Gods "landed" on Azeroth, or could they have been born from it?

That could be why the Old Gods were as powerful as they were and one of the "secrets of the Black Empire" Odyn didn't want getting out: Azeroth used to be Void-aligned. Also why it's called "The Awakening" instead of a Corruption or something similar, because it's just waking Azeroth up from stasis vs having to turn her to Void.

11.2- Worldcore and Rootlands- Xal "dies" but breaks opens the worldcore using bloodied roots, revealing Azeroth's true form (Void + Light + Order mutations mixed)
12.0- We have to go to the Sunwell to PURIFY the Worldsoul as opposed to the expansion focus being saving the Sunwell (could just be the launch story)
13.0- Worldsoul is purified into Light, but this + broken Worldcore irritates the Titans, kicking off TLT

[Doffen]

The Delve Great Vault is just a bug and not intended, confirmed by blue post. S2 will have same requirements as s1

[Joshuaj]

Beledar's normal state being Void and the LIGHT version being the "corrupted" form would be an insane twist. And if Xal was born from Void-turned Azeroth and/or Beledar wayyyyyy before the Titans imprisoned her. Do we actually have confirmation the Old Gods "landed" on Azeroth, or could they have been born from it?

That could be why the Old Gods were as powerful as they were and one of the "secrets of the Black Empire" Odyn didn't want getting out: Azeroth used to be Void-aligned. Also why it's called "The Awakening" instead of a Corruption or something similar, because it's just waking Azeroth up from stasis vs having to turn her to Void.

11.2- Worldcore and Rootlands- Xal "dies" but breaks opens the worldcore using bloodied roots, revealing Azeroth's true form (Void + Light + Order mutations mixed)
12.0- We have to go to the Sunwell to PURIFY the Worldsoul as opposed to the expansion focus being saving the Sunwell (could just be the launch story)
13.0- Worldsoul is purified into Light, but this + broken Worldcore irritates the Titans, kicking off TLT

I still think the Worldsoul is meant to have all 6 forces within it. Goes with the cosmology stuff as well.

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So since I have experience driving the car now, I decided to increase the top speed of my vehicle...

It's not bad at all. In fact, it handles like a dream outside of some turning or general handling bugs that are more-so the result of the PTR being PTR, and not of the car's intended functions as a whole. Gonna try acceleration now, and then I'll see how the boost stuff handles, but the boosts aren't really a concern for me regardless, since I have that on average.

So far though? It ain't too fast at all. I do wish we can eventually use it outside Undermine however.

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Just used the acceleration boost. Definitely has more of a kick to it, but again, it's perfectly fine lol.


This literally just feels like a Need for Speed car. I love it.

[Ersula]

I still think the Worldsoul is meant to have all 6 forces within it. Goes with the cosmology stuff as well.

I don't think the Worldsouls follow the rules of the cosmology. Per the Sepulcher, Bodies were built for them, the Titans & Eternal Ones just needed a World Soul implanted within them, like a mortal soul inside a body. A reminder to us that the Cosmology is not actually natural. The Worldsouls are this awesome power that isn't constrained in that way.

But the soul itself determines the actual personality of the soul. Which would explain things like, Freya & the Winter Queen having powers that revolve around life, but being members of pantheon of order/death respectively, etc.

[Joshuaj]

I don't think the Worldsouls follow the rules of the cosmology. Per the Sepulcher, Bodies were built for them, the Titans & Eternal Ones just needed a World Soul implanted within them, like a mortal soul inside a body. A reminder to us that the Cosmology is not actually natural. The Worldsouls are this awesome power that isn't constrained in that way.

But the soul itself determines the actual personality of the soul. Which would explain things like, Freya & the Winter Queen having powers that revolve around life, but being members of pantheon of order/death respectively, etc.

Pantheons can be associated with different forces, yes. However, the Eternal Ones are the Pantheon of Death and embody that force in the cosmology. The Dark Beyond is meant to be a straight up culmination of all 6 forces. Why shouldn't the Worldsouls embody that combination?

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Heck, if anything, I'd argue this would make beings like Azeroth the most important factors of the Progenitors design.

[huth]

Beledar's normal state being Void and the LIGHT version being the "corrupted" form would be an insane twist. And if Xal was born from Void-turned Azeroth and/or Beledar wayyyyyy before the Titans imprisoned her. Do we actually have confirmation the Old Gods "landed" on Azeroth, or could they have been born from it?

I don't think we ever received any information of how they got there beyond "Void Lords flung shit through the Great Dark at random".

[Lahis]

The Delve Great Vault is just a bug and not intended, confirmed by blue post. S2 will have same requirements as s1

"Just a bug" is a very convenient excuse for a planned change that go overwhelming negative feedback.

[Nymrohd]

I bet it'll be a fairly mild reveal. "Actually, the worldsoul had her rights taken away from her by the Titans the moment their contained her in stasis."

So Eonar and Elune free Azeroth in 13.2.5 The Emancipation of Azeroth patch and proceed to perform Sisters are doing it for themselves over Aman'thul's corpse?

[Doffen]

"Just a bug" is a very convenient excuse for a planned change that go overwhelming negative feedback.

They did the same for the expansion launch and made a hotfix. If they initiated patch 11.1 with the same base patching for the previous PTR the initial build would follow through.

Some times Blizzard may actually do a technical error without some sinister and evil thought behind it. Its not like this was happening in the live patch of 11.1. When Blizzard go through with these things they wait until the live backlash and go through months on the PTR without listening. I thought you knew this.

[Valysar]

"Just a bug" is a very convenient excuse for a planned change that go overwhelming negative feedback.

Yeah, I always thought it was the easy excuse to reverse their stupid decisions.

[Ersula]

Pantheons can be associated with different forces, yes. However, the Eternal Ones are the Pantheon of Death and embody that force in the cosmology. The Dark Beyond is meant to be a straight up culmination of all 6 forces.

Huh? What do you mean? The Dark Beyond is just space.

Clearly Worldsouls are the most important factors of the Progenitors design, but if the First Ones' designed them why did the Titans spend millennia looking for Azeroth, a worldsoul that can make other worldsouls. If they made it wouldn't they know where it is? Or rather, wouldn't the First Ones have told the Titans exactly how to find it?

Seems like Argus & Freya's unique powers were not part of the First One's plan.

[Gurahk]

"Just a bug" is a very convenient excuse for a planned change that go overwhelming negative feedback.

It was the exact same values as it once had in the beta, it is not hard to believe that it was simply just a tooltip bug that somehow displayed the beta values.

[Joshuaj]

Huh? What do you mean? The Dark Beyond is just space.

Clearly Worldsouls are the most important factors of the Progenitors design, but if the First Ones' designed them why did the Titans spend millennia looking for Azeroth, a worldsoul that can make other worldsouls. If they made it wouldn't they know where it is? Or rather, wouldn't the First Ones have told the Titans exactly how to find it?

Seems like Argus & Freya's unique powers were not part of the First One's plan.

How do you think the Great Dark Beyond came to be though?

Also, Argus was a unique case and likely wasn't the intended outcome for a Worldsoul lol. As for Eonar? She has connections with Life. Elune has connections with other forces as well. The pattern literally has it to where these forces and their pantheons can intersect and work with one another.

[Ersula]

How do you think the Great Dark Beyond came to be though?

On the most technical level, its just vacant space. It is the nothingness that predates everything. The things in it were surely designed by the First Ones, if that's what you mean.

Also, Argus was a unique case and likely wasn't the intended outcome for a Worldsoul lol. As for Eonar? She has connections with Life. Elune has connections with other forces as well. The pattern literally has it to where these forces and their pantheons can intersect and work with one another.

Then why did Amonthul punish Eonar for acting outside the First One's directives if that's exactly what they were intended to do?

I think we're getting overly semantic. Being neutral to the cosmology & being a "combination of all 6 forces" is functionally the exact same thing.

[Joshuaj]

On the most technical level, its just vacant space. It is the nothingness that predates everything. The things in it were surely designed by the First Ones, if that's what you mean.

Then why did Amonthul punish Eonar for acting outside the First One's directives if that's exactly what they were intended to do?

I think we're getting overly semantic. Being neutral to the cosmology & being a "combination of all 6 forces" is functionally the exact same thing.

Because she planted a tree that Elune gave her? And to Aman'Thul, Life's influence is seen as chaotic by nature? It's funny he did this though, considering Eonar's entire shtick is that she's the caretaker of life in the universe. Like, she's quite literally the one responsible for ordering it. So unless Eonar wasn't doing her job correctly, Aman'Thul was being strict for no reason.

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Also, what do you mean "it's the nothingness that predates everything"? Not even Chronicle's Mythos depicts the Dark Beyond as such lmaooo.

[Ersula]

Also, what do you mean "it's the nothingness that predates everything"? Not even Chronicle's Mythos depicts the Dark Beyond as such lmaooo.

Just stop with your weird, radical flavors of nothingness. Nothingness is nothingness. That's what space is. Space isn't a substance.