The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I think the other way around would be funnier. A Dreadlord tried, but Gallywix turned the tables on it and now it's stuck as his lackey.

That would be the most Gallywix thing ever

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Gallywix is definitely not a dreadlord.

I've seen that video too. It was fun to watch, and was equally entertaining as it was pure deductive speculation. A lot of those WoW content creators who make plausible "lore bomb" videos do it for the entertainment value.

Looking at it from a narrative stand point, Gallywix being revealed to be a dreadlord as to explain his manipulative and dastardly actions going back to, let's say, Legion and Battle for Azeroth, cheapens his character. It also cheapens a lot of the lore from that point leading up to now.

For example, Gallywix introducing Sylvanas to Azerite. How bad would it be when it was another "oh, dreadlords behind everything" and another move of Zovaal's masterful 100D chess game?

Question: is there anybody here who legitimately hopes for Gallywix to be revealed as a dreadlord the entire time?

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That would be the most Gallywix thing ever

Gallywix thinking he is paying a dreadlord to be his enforcer, paying him with Void-infused kaja'mite, not knowing the dreadlord is just collecting massive amounts of it to be used to free Denathrius from Remornia.

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it could also be TBC remix, OR BOTH!!

I'd prefer TBC SoD, personally.

[Swarzsinne]

I'm still thinking Gallywix isn't going to be an outright villain but more-so in conflict with us at that moment in time. Unless we've just decided it's out right time to dethrone him and we're going full CIA to South America on him.

[Auxis]

I'm still thinking Gallywix isn't going to be an outright villain but more-so in conflict with us at that moment in time. Unless we've just decided it's out right time to dethrone him and we're going full CIA to South America on him.

He may not outright be evil, but he's greedy and unscrupulous, and his actions kickstarted the Fourth War. He allied himself with Sylvanas and abandoned the Horde at the end of the Fourth War.

At the very least, I can see us defeating him - not outright killing him. But it remains to be seen what exactly he was up to in Tazavesh, and what he's been doing between the end of BFA and Undermine(d) - perhaps his actions will warrant his death. Or maybe the Cartel's want him alive to try him for whatever crimes he may have commited.

[huth]

Gallywix thinking he is paying a dreadlord to be his enforcer, paying him with Void-infused kaja'mite, not knowing the dreadlord is just collecting massive amounts of it to be used to free Denathrius from Remornia.

/shrug

...that's just regular payment. Why the Dreadlord accepts the payment doesn't change that.

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...that's just regular payment. Why the Dreadlord accepts the payment doesn't change that.

Yes. I'm just making up some random scenario that I think would be less-than-interesting.

[hattahat]

Gallywix being a dreadlord could be an interesting plot, as I personally was thinking that he could be a dreadlord or not, and that both storylines are possible.

If Gallywix is a dreadlord, it could also be an interesting tie-in with Orweyna, especially if we assume she's a green-eyed mole. We could have a contrast between Gallywix plotting nefariously for Death until the end, and Orweyna sincerely choosing to defend Life and Azeroth.

But I also like the idea of just having Gally be an evil, greedy man, in this case contrasted with Gazlowe, who is a model, conscientious entrepreneur. I think it's slightly more likely that the story will end up this way.

[Tetley]

My hope is that after Gallywix has been defeated by us, he jumps off the boss fight platform with a golden parachute

[Cheezits]

Gallywix being a dreadlord could be an interesting plot, as I personally was thinking that he could be a dreadlord or not, and that both storylines are possible.

If Gallywix is a dreadlord, it could also be an interesting tie-in with Orweyna, especially if we assume she's a green-eyed mole. We could have a contrast between Gallywix plotting nefariously for Death until the end, and Orweyna sincerely choosing to defend Life and Azeroth.

But I also like the idea of just having Gally be an evil, greedy man, in this case contrasted with Gazlowe, who is a model, conscientious entrepreneur. I think it's slightly more likely that the story will end up this way.

I never even considered the dueling Orwenya and Gallywix dreadlord themes. Orwenya Dreadlord has at least been hinted at twice pre-TWW, though I don't think she's evil.

I would love them to flesh out the Nathrezim in this way especially with how Lothraxion will probably be coming back soon.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

"Beware the eyes of green" and all that. Orwenya has green eyes; is Gallywix's eyes also green?

[Joshuaj]

"Beware the eyes of green" and all that. Orwenya has green eyes; is Gallywix's eyes also green?

They are not. In game, I think they're yellow?

Also, even if they were green, it wouldn't fit, cause the full saying is "The Vassel of Life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of Green"

[Kiivar86]

They are not. In game, I think they're yellow?

Also, even if they were green, it wouldn't fit, cause the full saying is "The Vassel of Life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of Green"

I've seen some put forward that the Vassal and the eyes are separate warnings, but I think that's more people grasping at straws.

[Eldryth]

"Beware the eyes of green" and all that. Orwenya has green eyes; is Gallywix's eyes also green?

The green eyes part can be associated with him easily enough even if it's not literal. Green eyes are a common old description for jealousy (still well-known because Shakespeare used it), so that would fit well with a character defined entirely by greed, like Gallywix.

Much harder to reconcile him with the other part of that comment. How could Gallywix ever be seen as a "Vassal of Life"? I guess we could learn that it meant he made a deal with the Haranir and always planned to betray them or something, but it still feels like a big reach.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The green eyes part can be associated with him easily enough even if it's not literal. Green eyes are a common old description for jealousy (still well-known because Shakespeare used it), so that would fit well with a character defined entirely by greed, like Gallywix.

Yeah, it seems fairly obvious. I mean, aside from everything else, wouldn't literal "eyes of green" be exceedingly common among a power associated with the Emerald Dream to the point looking for literal green eyes would be pretty pointless?

Then again, I might be giving Blizzard Cdev too much credit.

[Makabreska]

I'm still thinking Gallywix isn't going to be an outright villain but more-so in conflict with us at that moment in time. Unless we've just decided it's out right time to dethrone him and we're going full CIA to South America on him.

Pretty sure it will be his final hour. Dude had it coming since Cata, when he tried to kill player character and Thrall in goblin starting zone. After that he was just a greed, selfishness and pettiness incarnate, always thinking only about himself and backstabbing peeps all the time. Not sure what kind of "conflict" Blizz could present us now that would not feel like being totally out of the blue.

[The-Shan]

My hope is that after Gallywix has been defeated by us, he jumps off the boss fight platform with a golden parachute

add some bobby kotick quotes to his dialogue :O

have his defeat cinematic include stuff he said in interviews

[Joshuaj]

I've seen some put forward that the Vassal and the eyes are separate warnings, but I think that's more people grasping at straws.

Sounds like grasping at straws, yes. Regardless, doesn't fit with Gallywix.

[Worldshaper]

"Beware the eyes of green" and all that. Orwenya has green eyes; is Gallywix's eyes also green?

I still think 'eyes of green' could refer to jealousy. As in, somebody who can't stand being one-upped will betray a close friend.

Maybe Odyn, the Lord of Ravens, 'turns the key' to unleash bad stuff because he feels sidelined by the Aspects and jealous of Tyr. Maybe he wants to reset Azeroth out of spite.

[Cheezits]

I don't think this has been discussed here yet: how do we feel about the reveal that (Kirin Tor Quest Spoilers)the surviving Mega Mages (Jaina, Kalec, Khadgar, Aethas) have no plans to rebuild Dalaran, citing it as too dangerous of a target for mages, and instead want to disband the Council of Six and reformat the Kirin Tor into something new?

I understand people are gonna be mad about no Dalaran 2 (unless these plans change) but I think it's a genuinely surprising plot that puts mages into an interesting situation in Warcraft instead of "there's a mage city, the mages go there and hang out". I think this may be a plot point they created so that the mages spread out across Azeroth instead of being concentrated in Dalaran. Maybe we get Theramore AND Scholomance revamped into new mage cities? Something interesting done with Dalaran Crater instead of just "Dalaran goes back there lol"? It also leaves The Last Titan's hub a mystery and makes it more interesting than just Wrath 2 with a Titan coat of paint

Also Exodar 2 can now be the exclusive flying city lol

Overall I think this is a net positive for the lore and world even if it is a little unsatisfying in the interim.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I don't think this has been discussed here yet: how do we feel about the reveal that (Kirin Tor Quest Spoilers)the surviving Mega Mages (Jaina, Kalec, Khadgar, Aethas) have no plans to rebuild Dalaran, citing it as too dangerous of a target for mages, and instead want to disband the Council of Six and reformat the Kirin Tor into something new?

I understand people are gonna be mad about no Dalaran 2 (unless these plans change) but I think it's a genuinely surprising plot that puts mages into an interesting situation in Warcraft instead of "there's a mage city, the mages go there and hang out". I think this may be a plot point they created so that the mages spread out across Azeroth instead of being concentrated in Dalaran. Maybe we get Theramore AND Scholomance revamped into new mage cities? Something interesting done with Dalaran Crater instead of just "Dalaran goes back there lol"?

Also Exodar 2 can now be the exclusive flying city lol

Overall I think this is a net positive for the lore and world even if it is a little unsatisfying in the interim.

It's a late and expedient correction; Dalaran should have remained in the setting, but it also should have never become the "catch-all mage city" to begin with. It should've specifically been the capital of human mages. While it's a shame to lose an iconic and beloved part of the lore, it allows mages of non-human races to have their unique identities back, which was sorely needed.