The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'd go with the very blue teal skinned if Azeroth is conceptulized Based on..fanart that I can't seem to remember where.

I guess it's lame if you don't know what the hippy movement is about

I'm well aware, I'm just not gonna act like being slightly peaceful or moral somehow is "hippy"

[Skildar]

And that’s the same for the dragon maw to no? They did bad stuff and then put that aside to join the “good” horde in cata and then are presented as just evil under garrosh again in mop while every one including the alliance put aside there differences and makes peace with the hippie orcs. And as you pointed out they already did the same with the dwarfs

Blizzards m.o hasn’t changed at all in regards to this stuff.

You're right most of the stuff that has been told is about how to reach peace by removing toxic leadership and forgetting past aggressions. But the incessant peace talkabout friendship and respect has become unbearable this expansion. The lack of struggle and the easy willingness to take everything on yourself to better the world from every npc removes any engagement I could have for these characters.

If you take Suramar, it's broadly the same story take down Elisande, remove legion presence, hug. But there was a struggle to move forward and the reason why we supported them was because it was them at the frontline for our assault against the legion. During the quests you had moments that relied on the bad sides of humanity. Some npc wanted to receive a bribe in order to help, some others needed you to league people against each other, etc.

I understand that you can't get into conflict as deeply as it was made for suramar every time. But it hasn't been done once since then, not even half of what suramar did (except maybe for the alliance assault on dazar alor preparation questlines) and instead they went full force on dialogues and quests that focus on we have to take it on ourself to help people and be nice to save and make a leap of faith, etc...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The lack of struggle and the easy willingness to take everything on yourself to better the world from every npc removes any engagement I could have for these characters.

Thats really just wow in a nut shell, Suamar is really a stand out with Mabye no zone or quest line being on par with it or even coming close.

[Khaza-R]

So is this the first confirmation we have that Azeroth is indeed a titan and not a First One?



I guess its also confirmation we will see Azeroth's first non-canon appearance. As well as one more original hearthstone titan.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Mason sets the stage: “Set in the distant past, Titans lets us see Ulduar at the beginning of civilization itself. The Titans are these massive God-like beings who have been traveling the cosmos, seeding the foundations of life, and in this set we get to see them when they’re hard at work.” Narratively, this is a major step for Hearthstone, tackling what is effectively the origin story of life in the World of Warcraft universe, and doing so in a manner that seems fairly serious at first glance, especially compared with the musical mayhem of Festival of Legends."

Ohhh...they've got like the most basic understanding of the Titans down...ahhhh...yikes...

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I say this cause Life did not originate by the Titans. Tho, I imagine they wanted to say it as in "Oh yeah, the Titans forged much of life across the beyond" which I guess is true.

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So why is one of Norgannon's abilities called "Progenitor's Power"? The Titans aren't the First Ones, unless it simply means "progenitor" as in progenitor for much of Azeroth and its living organisms? Or does it mean Norgannon is wielding powers of the First Ones?

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

[Shadowferal]

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

It would neatly carve out SL...which most don't care to remember anyway.

[Santandame]

And much of Dragonflight...

Why much of Dragonflight? The First Ones haven’t even been mentioned.

[Khaza-R]

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

I think that's unlikely but the press kit does refer to them as "The Gods of Warcraft". Which is interesting at least.

We've known this since Chronicle. Hell, Azeroth being called a World Soul was a thing in SL also.

Well hopefully at least it will put an end to such riveting fan theories like "Azeroth = A Zereth"

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Who the hell even thought Azeroth was a First One? I imagine you don't know the lore to say such nonsense. You are the same ones who said Jaina was a nathrezim lol.

To be fair, the theory wasn't that Azeroth was a First One, but that she might be a Titan powerful enough to become a First One.

I mean people are free to want to forget the SL worldbuilding, but don't be surprised when it obviously shows up again.

[Khaza-R]

I thought the whole idea Azeroth was a first one came from the First One waystones reacting to the player. Which in turn the devs said was because of the player's connection to Azeroth's world-soul.

Obviously that plot point never got explored but I can see why some people ran with it.

[huth]

So why is one of Norgannon's abilities called "Progenitor's Power"? The Titans aren't the First Ones, unless it simply means "progenitor" as in progenitor for much of Azeroth and its living organisms? Or does it mean Norgannon is wielding powers of the First Ones?

Obviously. The Titans are progenitors. The word just means "ancestor".

[Raetary]

I thought the whole idea Azeroth was a first one came from the First One waystones reacting to the player. Which in turn the devs said was because of the player's connection to Azeroth's world-soul.

Obviously that plot point never got explored but I can see why some people ran with it.

The waystone, the idiotic prophecy, the Janitors interest in her, the fact that her soul reacts the Heart of Eternity and is the key to enabling Janitor to push his fetish onto the whole universe, her name fitting into the Zereth naming convention (or rather, the other way around), her perculiar power lvl.

It is not a far fetched idea at all.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Speaking of which, did Blizzard ever go through with that whole "connection to Azeroth's World Soul" thing? Seems more like the First Ones placed it there, and the Universe's threads deemed us worthy of activating it.

It was probably a dropped plot thread as someone else pointed out. I'm..ok with it being dropped.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

God id kill for this hearth stone expan being the first step in blizzard company wide throwing the first ones in the bin and going back to how it was when the titans were the top dogs.

I honestly don't think the titans were ever the top dogs, but you are right. It is true that their role in canon seemingly was appropriated for the First Ones and simply extended to a larger scale, which is part of what makes them so unpleasant. The less we see of the First Ones, the better.

[guro-tchai]

there was never a non-titanic source which said that the world-soul is a titan. considering their approach to truth, nothing forbade Azeroth from being something else.
HS is not and should not be a way to establish the lore. creeping hearthstonization overall has been a disaster for the game.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I honestly don't think the titans were ever the top dogs, but you are right. It is true that their role in canon seemingly was appropriated for the First Ones and simply extended to a larger scale, which is part of what makes them so unpleasant. The less we see of the First Ones, the better.

Well ya they weren’t the real top dogs with the void lords existing but they were the highest you could get in the physical universe which is why sargaras wanted to stop a void Titan from taking there place.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And they still are. The First Ones are their own thing entirely.

And hopefully that thing will be non existent.

[Khaza-R]

Last bit I'll post on HS before it starts going too off-topic. But it looks like 9 titan cards will get revealed next week judging by the teaser images.

Looks like the last two reveals are going to be Azeroth and the new HS titan. So should be interesting

[rainhard]

Azeroth will be a hunter then? Seems to have a bow with her.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why do you want that? What do the First Ones do which hurts the Titans and their influence? What about the First Ones makes the Light any less divine, or the Void any less unique?

There an awful uneeded idea that boils down to "lol what if the titans had titans", always trying to one up the god like beings we had in the past just makes the setting a slog of "oh what stronger god will they pull out of no where next" like they do in DC or Dragon ball.