The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

I second this. The minmaxers are tiresome and if it weren't for devs not giving in to them this game wouldn't have incentives outside of raiding/pvp. The game isn't going to cater to one corner of the gaming sphere, and that's perfectly healthy.

One of the best things the game ever added was the ability to transmog gear. Changing a vast library of set appearances into a collection minigame that fuels all sides of the game currently.

Same with battle pets, mounts, and titles. Another reward that while completely useless to the actual gameplay of the game, gives incentive to players to try out different things they might not normally enjoy.

[Lady Atia]

One of the best things the game ever added was the ability to transmog gear. Changing a vast library of set appearances into a collection minigame that fuels all sides of the game currently.

Same with battle pets, mounts, and titles. Another reward that while completely useless to the actual gameplay of the game, gives incentive to players to try out different things they might not normally enjoy.

I recently had a discussion with a guild member why I wouldn't touch classic (especially hardcore) 'untill they (atleast one way so you can farm removed stuff) connect it with retail. No transmog, no achievments, no mount collection, and that's all besides the potential hardcore death trigger lol. I watched him play for like 20 minutes and honestly, if WoW was that today I wouldn't bother with it. It's slow, has none of the collection aspects I like about the game, and he even uses a step by step guide addon that takes away whatever skill hardcore requires.


*shudders*

[Sondrelk]

I recently had a discussion with a guild member why I wouldn't touch classic (especially hardcore) 'untill they (atleast one way so you can farm removed stuff) connect it with retail. No transmog, no achievments, no mount collection, and that's all besides the potential hardcore death trigger lol. I watched him play for like 20 minutes and honestly, if WoW was that today I wouldn't bother with it. It's slow, has none of the collection aspects I like about the game, and he even uses a step by step guide addon that takes away whatever skill hardcore requires.


*shudders*

I am much the same. I know I would enjoy quite a lot of Classic SoD, what with the no flying and slower pace. But there just isn't really enough of an incentive to get me started. Even just stuff like a title and a mount for hitting max level in Classic would be enough to get me started.

[Lady Atia]

I am much the same. I know I would enjoy quite a lot of Classic SoD, what with the no flying and slower pace. But there just isn't really enough of an incentive to get me started. Even just stuff like a title and a mount for hitting max level in Classic would be enough to get me started.

Yeah honestly, being able to connect older games to the newest one was the big strength of pokemon games through the years, so I really don't get why they don't do it with classic (even just from a money PoV). And if the devs think that people would ruin the "social" aspect because of needing stuff for retail .... I mean, they let GDKP run rampart aswell as boosting, and they could simply just use the current retail loot system so you can't "ninja" stuff you don't need. Would love to play a season of discovery (simply because atleast there is NEW CONTENT there instead of the stuff I already finished in the past) that works like remix and sends your characters to the real game at the end lol.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

What if Xal'atath intends to use the dagger that she was imprisoned it to stab the worldsoul and suck Azeroth into the dagger?

[Joshuaj]

Is the dagger still around even?

[Sondrelk]

Is the dagger still around even?

Hard to say. It was last seen in Ny'alotha, so presumably N'zoth would be in possession of it assuming he survived.

[Khaza-R]

I am sure Xal'zoth (or N'atath?) will appear at some point. After all he was the only Old God who seemed to understand sometimes you need to lose to ultimately win.

When you think about it, the Old Gods are opposed to Xal and Dimensius. The OGs want to infest the world soul, I assume which ever one succeeds would be reborn as a void lord. While Dimensius just wants to eat it the World Soul.

[Cheezits]

The dagger disappeared after a shot of Nzoth energies seeping around it, possibly into it. I assumed the idea was that Nzoth had a contingency plan using the dagger and that's why he teamed up with Xal.

[Joshuaj]

I am sure Xal'zoth (or N'atath?) will appear at some point. After all he was the only Old God who seemed to understand sometimes you need to lose to ultimately win.

When you think about it, the Old Gods are opposed to Xal and Dimensius. The OGs want to infest the world soul, I assume which ever one succeeds would be reborn as a void lord. While Dimensius just wants to eat it the World Soul.

If the blade was still around, and if N'Zoth was still around somehow, we'd know about it already.

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The dagger disappeared after a shot of Nzoth energies seeping around it, possibly into it. I assumed the idea was that Nzoth had a contingency plan using the dagger and that's why he teamed up with Xal.

I thought it just blew up...

[Cheezits]

The original idea was that Nzoth needed the dagger as it acted as a walkie talkie to get Sylvanas directly to Nazjatar. I thought this was ridiculous for a while now as Azshara the worlds most powerful mage had a million different ways she could do that without a walkie talkie.

I hope it's retconned (or it was planned all along) that the true reason for the dagger was to use its unique soul capture ability on himself.

[Auxis]

I don't think there is any meaningful spell in the game that still has vanilla visuals, peeps just forgot how crappy they used to look:



I say current CL is fine. It still looks good, especially when you have overload procs.

Have they changed CL at some point? I'm playing SoD, and whenever I see it being used it feels different to the Retail version. I'm not sure what it is, it feels more rigid whereas the Retail one seems to 'wiggle' more.

[Khaza-R]

If the blade was still around, and if N'Zoth was still around somehow, we'd know about it already.

I thought it just blew up...

Although its fair, that at no point have they alluded that the dagger is missing. But then again, all of the Legion artifacts were basically discarded and no one seemed to care so its pretty consistent no one cares what happened to the dagger after Wrathion used it

The original idea was that Nzoth needed the dagger as it acted as a walkie talkie to get Sylvanas directly to Nazjatar. I thought this was ridiculous for a while now as Azshara the worlds most powerful mage had a million different ways she could do that without a walkie talkie.

I hope it's retconned (or it was planned all along) that the true reason for the dagger was to use its unique soul capture ability on himself.

N'zoth captures Azshara and brings her to Ny'alotha but leaves the dagger with her? That makes no sense unless he wanted the dagger to be a back-up.

[Pyrophax]

I don't think there is any meaningful spell in the game that still has vanilla visuals, peeps just forgot how crappy they used to look:



I say current CL is fine. It still looks good, especially when you have overload procs.

We have tauren totems, back from Vanilla. Every other shaman totems got updates, but tauren ones got new model in BfA, but not implented yet for some reason.
I think all totems should be uprezzed, including all core races, but esp. taurens.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

N'zoth captures Azshara and brings her to Ny'alotha but leaves the dagger with her? That makes no sense unless he wanted the dagger to be a back-up.

Yeah, it makes no sense given how N'Zoth wanted the dagger to remain with him after the player character frees Xal'atath from it (with Xal leaving through the portal and the player character receives N'Zoth's "blessing" cutscene) to then having Nathanos have it as Azshara opens up the seas to start 8.2.

Chain of events happened to somehow give Azshara the dagger. I believe it was a false "good will" gesture to ensure Azshara would free N'Zoth. Perhaps she needed to believe that she could really kill N'Zoth by plunging the dagger into him, herself. That would ensure she did everything to she needed to free him... or N'Zoth knew that she needed to fight the champions of Azeroth to actually ensure he was freed.

So then Azshara is captured, still having the dagger. She is freed; dagger is given to the champions.

Seems like a weird, convoluted scheme N'Zoth concocted in order to 1.> get freed, and 2.> get stabbed. I do believe his plan all a long was to get freed and get stabbed.

[Makorus]

Apart from repeating over and over that decoration isn't that important without explaining why, do it or your intervention will be useless. Anyone can come, say “no” and leave without explaining their way of thinking, it's almost trolling.

So, for you, what's more important than housing decoration? That's more relevant and interesting.

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Why? We already have toys that we can place freely in the world.

I sincerely believe that people greatly underestimate the game engine, which may be old, but that doesn't mean you can't do anything with it. Especially since they've been updating it non-stop for 20 years. It's literally not the same engine as in 2004.

You have toys you can place freely in the world, but they aren't persistent, permanent things. Look, I would love it if you could free-place stuff (and honestly, player-housing without that would suck), I just don't see it happening.

Yeah, they've improved the engine, but it is still the same engine. You can modify and improve a car as much as you want, it'll never be able to fly.

[Pyrophax]

I done some WoD timewalking and it was hard not to notice that Horde camp name is Warspear, while Alliance - Stormshield. After that I remembered faction Dracthyr weyrns.
Dark talons (Horde ones) are focused on attacking, while Obsidian Warders - on defence.
Same can be said even about goblins and gnomes.
In our brand new world without factions I think it should be saved - Horde is more attacking force, while Alliance more about defence and groundkeeping.

[Ersula]

The dagger disappeared after a shot of Nzoth energies seeping around it, possibly into it. I assumed the idea was that Nzoth had a contingency plan using the dagger and that's why he teamed up with Xal.

But that still doesn't explain why Xal just gave the dagger away if its apparently integral to her plan. I doubt we'll see the dagger again.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

But that still doesn't explain why Xal just gave the dagger away if its apparently integral to her plan. I doubt we'll see the dagger again.

5D chess plan that puts Zovaal the Failure Jailer's plan to shame. I'm sure we will find it out in like 2 expansions.
/s

[Khaza-R]

If we do see the dagger again it would be in 11.2.

The daggers whole purpose was to create black blood. Xal tells us that herself in Legion. So who knows, maybe there's like a dozen of them lying around.