The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

I was thinking something similar, unless they want to keep the air of mystery around the Hallowfall Arathi alive... and to keep things loose for them to add later on.

They likely don't want to spoil something, as with a direct year number, we can pinpoint some events. And given that the next expansion and their reni'lash will happen around the sunwell, the place were something happend 15 years ago too, that involved the first real Void being on Azeroth (M'uru fall to Entropius), and subsequently a huge influx of light and arcane for the elves (M'urus cleansed core in the sunwell), could have stirred the arathi empire, as they are of the high elven lineage too.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Not pointing any fingers at anybody in particular, but there are many people here who pretend to engage honestly/genuine while simultaneously operating this way: going about story/lore discussion while being purposely ignorant to established facts within the story/lore. Many such cases happen on the Lore sub-forum and most of the offenders have been banned or just don't post anymore.

There is a fine line of wishful hoping and sharing one's headcanon about things yet to happen or hoping to happen... and arguing it an established fact.

I would recommend you simply call out those who engage in bad faith, and let the rest take notice. You kind of lose the soul of the discussion if you focus too much on the semantics of possible outcomes.

Words of wisdom. Thank you very much. I apologize if I've made the discussion unpleasant.

[FossilFree]

All this crystal talk just makes me think playable Artificers are on their way.

[Limayria]

All this crystal talk just makes me think playable Artificers are on their way.

take the tinker make it based (blood elf) lfg

[Enrif]

All this crystal talk just makes me think playable Artificers are on their way.

i just looked at the comic Son of the Wolf, and Anduin happens to wear crystal pauldrons. Perhaps he gets a new getup after TWW/Midnight with crystals on it?

[Cheezits]

Hot take:

Southern Kalimdor is heavily influenced by the proximity of Khaz Algar.

- Thorns and a generally primordial eco-system because of Elun'ahir (we'll find dinosaurs and quillboars in the "rootlands").

I noted the quills on the Haronir but you just made me realize the thorn aesthetic they have going for them, that's an interesting double-up. Would be a fun twist if they aren't just Dark Trolls but Dark Trolls that bred with (friendly?) Quillboar. Would explain why they are fatter at least.

Also- I was expecting Dinosaurs because of the Hollow Earth and Caveman vibe (also that robot t-rex mount rig will definitely be reused for a real t-rex mount) but good call on it being a throwback to Un'goro.

[Viridiel]

I noted the quills on the Haronir but you just made me realize the thorn aesthetic they have going for them, that's an interesting double-up. Would be a fun twist if they aren't just Dark Trolls but Dark Trolls that bred with (friendly?) Quillboar. Would explain why they are fatter at least.

Also- I was expecting Dinosaurs because of the Hollow Earth and Caveman vibe (also that robot t-rex mount rig will definitely be reused for a real t-rex mount) but good call on it being a throwback to Un'goro.

Surely they're simply quilboar who underwent similar changes to trolls. Everyone seems a little bit too stuck on the idea that they have tusks, big ears, and African/Caribbean accents and therefore must be trolls. I think we're being introduced to convergent evolution due to Elune's influence to explain why night elves look like Cenarius.

[Cheezits]

Surely they're simply quilboar who underwent similar changes to trolls. Everyone seems a little bit too stuck on the idea that they have tusks, big ears, and African/Caribbean accents and therefore must be trolls. I think we're being introduced to convergent evolution due to Elune's influence to explain why night elves look like Cenarius.

I would believe it, but Elune turning things into humanoids smells a little too suspiciously like Zereth Mortis/Titans.

[Nibelheimy]

I'm still not sold on the worldsoul being calcified planet essence. The crystal is not part of the manifold. Its not being monitored. There are no Earthern in Hallowfall, and the ones that were in the past, seemed to only want to trade. The path from Dornogal, through the ringing deeps, stops as it enters Hallowfall. Why? Was there just a big order to ignore giant worldsoul essence? We know exactly what it is and don't need anybody near it or anything? Bizarre.

[FossilFree]

i just looked at the comic Son of the Wolf, and Anduin happens to wear crystal pauldrons. Perhaps he gets a new getup after TWW/Midnight with crystals on it?

Really? That's interesting. Maybe they make Anduin an Artificer? That could make sense if worldsoul crystals are the fuel that powers artifice, since Anduin can hear the song he must be attuned to it.

[Viridiel]

I would believe it, but Elune turning things into humanoids smells a little too suspiciously like Zereth Mortis/Titans.

I agree, I find it odd. But we already have the association with Cenarius, Aviana, and Aessina, not to mention several Wild Gods spawning humanoid races to begin with. For some reason Elune seems to be associated with elfification, maybe because of her relationship with other cosmic forces or maybe it's just her thing.

[huth]

I agree, I find it odd. But we already have the association with Cenarius, Aviana, and Aessina, not to mention several Wild Gods spawning humanoid races to begin with. For some reason Elune seems to be associated with elfification, maybe because of her relationship with other cosmic forces or maybe it's just her thing.

That's assuming it was actually Elune's doing and not a result of proximity to the Titan-affected Well.

[Cheezits]

That's assuming it was actually Elune's doing and not a result of proximity to the Titan-affected Well.

I think it's always been a bit ambiguous whether or not it was Arcane energy or something else that caused the Trolls to get slimmed down into Elves. The Wild Gods Viridiel mentioned are doing their own thing, considering Cenarius was helping the Tauren forever.

If Haranir are actually Quillboar and not just Evolved Dark Trolls then yeah I think it's a point towards "Elune makes creatures pink and humanoid"

[Viridiel]

That's assuming it was actually Elune's doing and not a result of proximity to the Titan-affected Well.

Sure, that's an appropriate explanation of the actual mechanism, but says nothing of the ongoing association between Elune and elfification. Elune is heavily associated with several night-elf-like creatures that aren't night elves, and obviously heavily associated with the Well and night elves themselves. The actual reason for it could be because of worldsoul energy, but the same would apply to Elun'ahir so it tells us nothing of whether Elune is responsible for the haranir or not. All we know at this point is that titans don't have elf ears and most things associated with Elune do.

[Limayria]

I'm still not sold on the worldsoul being calcified planet essence. The crystal is not part of the manifold. Its not being monitored. There are no Earthern in Hallowfall, and the ones that were in the past, seemed to only want to trade. The path from Dornogal, through the ringing deeps, stops as it enters Hallowfall. Why? Was there just a big order to ignore giant worldsoul essence? We know exactly what it is and don't need anybody near it or anything? Bizarre.

maybe the titans were worried earthen close to the crystal would become thraegar hence wanting to keep them away from it to not undo the earthens programing

[Alanar]

I'm tired of Hearthstones. I saved Azeroth countless times over. The least the folks can do there as a reward is give me my own house! I already got a car with 11.1 lmaooo

To each and their own I guess. I cant wait to get a mortgage in a visual world and pretend lol.

As a sidenote, psst its just a zone ability for now.

[Joshuaj]

To each and their own I guess. I cant wait to get a mortgage in a visual world and pretend lol.

As a sidenote, psst its just a zone ability for now.

Give it time. The car will expand, trust.

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I think it's always been a bit ambiguous whether or not it was Arcane energy or something else that caused the Trolls to get slimmed down into Elves. The Wild Gods Viridiel mentioned are doing their own thing, considering Cenarius was helping the Tauren forever.

If Haranir are actually Quillboar and not just Evolved Dark Trolls then yeah I think it's a point towards "Elune makes creatures pink and humanoid"

Who's to say it wasn't a mixture of both? Like maybe the Well itself changed them, while Elune was able to essentially mold them in her own image. Who's to say Eonar didn't grant Elune some access to Azeroth from the Well of Eternity, ya know? That that would be an easy way for Elune to commune with the Worldsoul, especially with the whole Emerald Dream stuff going on. Get what I mean?

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Y'all, stop seeing the forces as just separate powers in their own little bubbles. You fail to see the full picture as a result.

[Enrif]

Really? That's interesting. Maybe they make Anduin an Artificer? That could make sense if worldsoul crystals are the fuel that powers artifice, since Anduin can hear the song he must be attuned to it.

i doubt Anduin will become an artificer, for that he isn't versed with technology enough, and he just got his connection to the light back. And the crystals were of that typical purple color used in draenei stuff. That said, he is among the draenei in that last panel of the comic, so they, the draenei, might have provided the crystals to Anduin and they are of artificer make, but that doesn't make Anduin an artificer.

[Limayria]

I think it's gonna be bioluminescent creatures and plants mostly, I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up having to carry around a light source of some kind while doing some of the out door content, similar to dark flame cleft or the kobold delves

[Cheezits]

That's why I'm wondering if perhaps part of the zone has a light source akin to the worldsoul or the Beledar.

It's probably a giant luminescent flower. A giant flower was mentioned in a nerubian text somewhere and we know from Amirdrassil that world trees are connected to magic giant flower blooms.

"The Cradle" that the Haranir all returned to may even be a literal cradle for said giant flower bloom if it's Elun'ahir trying to regrow.