The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Paulissimo]

We're in desperate need of a race and racial revamp.

I agree. I think your solution also opens up a lot of other customization and flavour options that wouldn't fly as full allied races the way they are now. You could select Bronzebeard, Wildhammer, or Dark Iron under the Dwarf race, for example. Wildhammers then wouldn't need to be so distinct from regular dwarves, just a different name and maybe unique racials.

Even without the added customization, I think it would just look more elegant than the big list of races cluttering the screen like we have now.

[Worldshaper]

Uh, according to the Exploring Azeroth: Islands and Isles book, the Pillars of Creation had been moved from the Tomb of Sargeras to Dalaran prior to TWW.

"Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path."

"Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters’ way."

Word trees, pillars, sigils, dragon aspects, old gods, oathstones...

I wonder if Xal'atath took the Pillars, and might use them to unlock the Old God prisons or the Worldcore.

[huth]

Nope.

That's specifically the Venture Co.

Who are one of the big factions in Undermine. Though from my understanding, he's an independent entepreneur and it is shown as a Goblin thing, not a Venture Co. one.

[Eldryth]

Uh, according to the Exploring Azeroth: Islands and Isles book, the Pillars of Creation had been moved from the Tomb of Sargeras to Dalaran prior to TWW.

"Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path."

"Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters’ way."

Word trees, pillars, sigils, dragon aspects, old gods, oathstones...

I wonder if Xal'atath took the Pillars, and might use them to unlock the Old God prisons or the Worldcore.

Either Xal'atath took them physically when she infiltrated Dalaran, or they were consumed by the Dark Heart with the rest of the city.

So either way she should have their power in some form, assuming it wasn't lost when Alleria shot the Dark Heart.

[Worldshaper]

Either Xal'atath took them physically when she infiltrated Dalaran, or they were consumed by the Dark Heart with the rest of the city.

So either way she should have their power in some form, assuming it wasn't lost when Alleria shot the Dark Heart.

If the Pillars were used to close the Legion's portals to Azeroth, I bet they can open portals as well.

5 keys = Pillars.

5 torches = World Trees / Old Gods / Powers Drained by Xal'atath / IDK.

5 lanterns = Oathstones and Dragon Aspects.

Imma bet 11.1.5 reminds us of what's ahead with "Nightfall" and Horrific Visions. But this time it's for real, not some illusion like in 8.2. Plus, Blizzard wants to do right by the Void so we won't rush straight into it. We enter the Beledar and learn a lot about the nature of the Radiant Song, and of Xal'atath's past.

After 11.1.5 we instead take a detour either to the underground sea in Hallowfall, or to the "rootlands". Tangentially related to Xal'atath but not fully. We stop some of the harm she is causing in Khaz Algar, but not her ultimate plan. It'll likely involve Etherals, Haranir, Kobyss, etc.

With Midnight, we again pick up the fight with the Void as they assault the Sunwell.

It'll either start out with an invasion that quickly takes an unexpected turn, with Light vs Void in 12.0 followed by something else (Light dictatorship?) in 12.1 and beyond.

Or we'll slowly build towards a Void showdown happening in 12.2. First patches might instead be about local elven problems with the Amani, Naga, or whatever.

With housing being a major feature of 12.0, it would feel a bit weird if the world was immediately conquered by the Void. Housing is such a cosy feature, it seems to suggest the base expansion will be quite charming and pleasant. Which also makes sense, that they'll want to utilise Quel'thalas to the fullest to bring people in.

At the same time, they can't just ignore the theme of the expansion. Imagine seeing all the gloomy Midnight stuff in the marketing, only to then have none of that in-game for six months.

I guess Quel'Danas could be a battlefield while Quel'thalas proper remains free.

Intro Quests: Jump into the action at Quel'Danas, and defeat the first waves of Void invaders. Something happens and we're forced to regroup in Silvermoon.

Campaign Quests: Begin to rally the scattered Elven tribes of Azeroth, and strengthen Quel'thalas by resolving a bunch of local conflicts, internal politics, and so on. Maybe an undead plague in the south?

Big showdown: Defend the Sunwell and take back Quel'Danas.

11.2 follow-up: Go to K'aresh and stop the source of the invasion.

[Sondrelk]

With housing being a major feature of 12.0, it would feel a bit weird if the world was immediately conquered by the Void. Housing is such a cosy feature, it seems to suggest the base expansion will be quite charming and pleasant. Which also makes sense, that they'll want to utilise Quel'thalas to the fullest to bring people in.

I feel confident that housing is almost certainly not going to be exclusively in Quel'Thalas. Most likely we will get a house in Elwynn/Stormwind, and Durotar/Orgrimmar. Maybe with an extra house somewhere else if we are lucky, or one for each major non-allied race available to the factions if we are exceptionally lucky.

[Nibelheimy]

If the housing is being planned as one location forever, then it will not be in Quel'thalas. It will be likely Orgrimmar/Stormwind areas. Although I'm half tempted to say the original roadmap icon being over Northrend was indeed a tease, and if it is to be one location (even at least for now) I'm expecting Grizzly Hills. It wouldn't be my personal top pick, but the zone is famous. It is always listed at the top of any polls of a favourite zone, although some notable others i.e. Nagrand are usually up there.

I feel its natural that over time we will get other 'plots' to place our home at, and after the main races of the factions I imagine getting a new plot will be standard with each expansion, one that fits the theme of the main area.

[Cheezits]

If the housing is being planned as one location forever, then it will not be in Quel'thalas. It will be likely Orgrimmar/Stormwind areas. Although I'm half tempted to say the original roadmap icon being over Northrend was indeed a tease, and if it is to be one location (even at least for now) I'm expecting Grizzly Hills. It wouldn't be my personal top pick, but the zone is famous. It is always listed at the top of any polls of a favourite zone, although some notable others i.e. Nagrand are usually up there.

I feel its natural that over time we will get other 'plots' to place our home at, and after the main races of the factions I imagine getting a new plot will be standard with each expansion, one that fits the theme of the main area.

There's no way this will be the case, housing in pretty much every MMO has made bank for the devs by offering different plots around the world for customization purposes. This could be bought by ingame gold but more often than not it is a cash shop thing.

I'm not sure Northrend is intentional for the early access plot, but possible if they are already working on TLT zones. It may serve as a preview to TLT. Or it's Borean Tundra which has opportunities for both Alliance and Horde themed houses around their respective bases, as well as lots of empty area to place things.

[Alanar]

If the housing is being planned as one location forever, then it will not be in Quel'thalas. It will be likely Orgrimmar/Stormwind areas. Although I'm half tempted to say the original roadmap icon being over Northrend was indeed a tease, and if it is to be one location (even at least for now) I'm expecting Grizzly Hills. It wouldn't be my personal top pick, but the zone is famous. It is always listed at the top of any polls of a favourite zone, although some notable others i.e. Nagrand are usually up there.

I feel its natural that over time we will get other 'plots' to place our home at, and after the main races of the factions I imagine getting a new plot will be standard with each expansion, one that fits the theme of the main area.

Just one set location.. man very much expect this to happen. If blizz continues with their illusion of options and costumizations, this will likely happen.

More location coming to you in the future!!! Calling it.

[huth]

Just one set location.. man very much expect this to happen. If blizz continues with their illusion of options and costumizations, this will likely happen.

More location coming to you in the future!!! Calling it.

I think more likely is that it won't be in any specific location and you might be able to choose from a number of visual surfaces. Anything else would just cause trouble with future expansions.

[Joshuaj]

When do y'all expect the 11.1 PTR to be released? I'm thinking December 19th

[Sondrelk]

There's no way this will be the case, housing in pretty much every MMO has made bank for the devs by offering different plots around the world for customization purposes. This could be bought by ingame gold but more often than not it is a cash shop thing.

I'm not sure Northrend is intentional for the early access plot, but possible if they are already working on TLT zones. It may serve as a preview to TLT. Or it's Borean Tundra which has opportunities for both Alliance and Horde themed houses around their respective bases, as well as lots of empty area to place things.

If we get several houses, then sure. I do think we could get one plot for each major faction race, which would include Quel'thalas at some point. I just think we are going to get something small to start out with, and for available plots to increase as the expansion progresses.

Similar to the Warband screen honestly. We got one to start out with, and we have to live with just one until Blizzard makes more of them. We know they are coming, but until then we just have the one.

[huth]

When do y'all expect the 11.1 PTR to be released? I'm thinking December 19th

Either that week or January.

[Ersula]

Either that week or January.

My guild is under the extremely-wrong impression 11.1 is going to come out before February & I think a lot of people think this. People need to remember major patches are on the ptr for at least 5 weeks (and at blizzard the last two weeks of December basically don't count) so if that patch doesn't come out on the ptr in the next ten days the roadmap is already fubar

[milkmustache]

My guild is under the extremely-wrong impression 11.1 is going to come out before February & I think a lot of people think this. People need to remember major patches are on the ptr for at least 5 weeks (and at blizzard the last two weeks of December basically don't count) so if that patch doesn't come out on the ptr in the next ten days the roadmap is already fubar

And the roadmaps have consistently been as accurate as can be. I think it'll be a launch on February 11th.

[Joshuaj]

Either that week or January.

Didn't Blizzard say that they intended for it to come out on the PTR in December?

[Scyth]

Didn't Blizzard say that they intended for it to come out on the PTR in December?

I think they said it will be up on the PTR slightly after 11.0.7 launches yeah

[Alanar]

I think more likely is that it won't be in any specific location and you might be able to choose from a number of visual surfaces. Anything else would just cause trouble with future expansions.

So with what you are saying, is a set location actually (probably phased)somewhere off the map, not really in the world and you choose your backround basically? That is exactly Illusion of choice I kind of expect.

I also dont see why it would cause problems, what kind of problems do you think more options or other locations would give? If everyone jumps in housing, the lag would be a problem. I only see it being phased as their solution. Which then you would think other locations arent really a problem.

The more location, the less you have all players focus on one set place. I would assume they want to spread players out more. Future expansion, would most likely just give players more options or more locations, props etc.

[Dracullus]

I think they said it will be up on the PTR slightly after 11.0.7 launches yeah

https://www.wowhead.com/news/comebac...-timing-350857

"towards end of year"

So only realistic is next week or week after that. 11.0.7 launch is irrelevant, they have 2 PTRs, they started next PTR before launch already (10.1 last year).

Judging from last few PTRs, I think we can expect whole zone since day 1. QA may be horrible, but content delivery speed is insane.

[Worldshaper]

Midnight Elves:

- Vereesa and her followers from Dalaran (Silver Covenant)

- Kirin Tor members from Dalaran

- Naga Deserters opposed to the Void

- Various High Elven exiles

- San'layn, Darkfallen, Banshees and Wretches following a redeemed Sylvanas (and dwelling in the Ghostlands)

- Felblood Elves rallying around one of Illidan's sidekicks

- Throw in a few odd Satyr and Harpy NPCs choosing to side with the Night Elves again

- Nightborne following Thalyssra

- Withered welcomed back to Suramar

- Night Elves settled in Bel'ameth

- Blood Elves of Silvermoon following Lor'themar

- Void Elves following Alleria

- Half-elves (Arathi etc.) following Arator

- Haranir being essentially Kaldorei Trolls

If Blizzard is somehow unable to pull a new neutral High Elf race out of this, I don't think they ever will.