The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Speaking of titans, wasn't there a brand new titan in a hearthstone expansion? She would have exiled herself before things went to shit from memory. Maybe she is the last titan... still really alive. Perhaps she didn't agree with the Pantheon's intention to take over the worldsoul.

[Ersula]

Here's what I think is up with the messages:

1. An'she is a Sun God, just as Mu'sha/Elune is a Moon Goddess. Early in Azeroth's history, he sent the Beledar to watch over the worldsoul, while Elune made sure Elun'Ahir was planted.

2. The Void and the Titans messed up their plans. The Beledar is corrupted by Xal'atath. Elun'Ahir is torn down by Aman'Thul.

Later, they cover up their tracks by essentially burying the story and doing their own thing with the Manifold. Xal'atath, meanwhile was destroyed by her brothers and couldn't pursue her plans with the Beledar. So it was safe for a long time.

Much later, guardians were sent by Elune to protect Elun'Ahir. The Haranir.

Later still, the Beledar summoned its own guardians from Avaloren, the Arathi.

Just in time, too, because both the Beledar and Elun'Ahir are being used by the Void to corrupt the worldsoul and carry out "the awakening".

The High Elves call the sun "Belore". Wouldn't surprise me if An'she had a name like that. Belore, Baelor, Balor, or something.

Elune and Belore. Azeroth's guardians of the Light. The Beledar's and could even mean the Vessel of Light or something, with that in mind.

But the Pantheons are just following the first one's designs. It wouldn't make sense for them to be circumventing each other. Aman'thul tore down Elun'ahir because he felt it was outside their perogative.

Also it would be strange if the sun suddenly had this big role in the cosmology. Elune, the goddess of the moon is doing things constantly. Elune has children, creates miracles & has her own religious dogma but the sun doesn't. There's basically no influence on Azeroth from this sun figure besides having a name, both mythically & historically.

[Merryck]

If Beledar is the calcified energies of Azeroth, why doesn't it have any blue in it? And why does it have those Naaru-esque engravings on it?

[Sondrelk]

If Beledar is the calcified energies of Azeroth, why doesn't it have any blue in it? And why does it have those Naaru-esque engravings on it?

Could be the blue is in the part we can't see in the roof of the cavern. Or maybe it's just golden since it's a pure crystal compared to the jagged pieces we found in BfA.

[Eldryth]

Speaking of titans, wasn't there a brand new titan in a hearthstone expansion? She would have exiled herself before things went to shit from memory. Maybe she is the last titan... still really alive. Perhaps she didn't agree with the Pantheon's intention to take over the worldsoul.

Yeah. Amitus the Peacekeeper, who mysteriously vanished after Sargeras's corruption.

Hard to say if she'll become canon though. The Hearthstone devs were pretty clear back when she was revealed that (like everything new in Hearthstone) she wasn't created to be part of canon lore, but WoW's devs sometimes decide to use stuff they like from Hearthstone.

[Ersula]

If Beledar is the calcified energies of Azeroth, why doesn't it have any blue in it? And why does it have those Naaru-esque engravings on it?

Why does everyone keep saying the markings on Beledar are Naaru-related. Naaru don't have engravings. Draenei ships are made from giant crystals but they don't have engravings like that either.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Yeah. Amitus the Peacekeeper, who mysteriously vanished after Sargeras's corruption.

Hard to say if she'll become canon though. The Hearthstone devs were pretty clear back when she was revealed that (like everything new in Hearthstone) she wasn't created to be part of canon lore, but WoW's devs sometimes decide to use stuff they like from Hearthstone.

Yes, but it's a bit suspicious... I just checked and some classes didn't get a new titan like the paladin with Amitus, they got instead a forged by titans so the question is: why did they create a new titan only for the paladin but not for the other classes? Because they could simply have given them Tyr or someone else. The fact that she's the only one and that the last expansion in the saga is called The Last Titan really makes me think there's a link, but as you say, as long as it's not canon...

She may even have a link with Beledar, since Amitus has been linked to the paladin class, and therefore the Light.

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Why does everyone keep saying the markings on Beledar are Naaru-related. Naaru don't have engravings. Draenei ships are made from giant crystals but they don't have engravings like that either.

Because they want to see Naaru. Honestly, we've seen plenty of naaru in the past, and they weren't that exceptional. Beledar certainly is, so it's probably something much bigger and more powerful than just a Naaru, if there's anything in that giant crystal.

[Raetary]

Why does everyone keep saying the markings on Beledar are Naaru-related. Naaru don't have engravings. Draenei ships are made from giant crystals but they don't have engravings like that either.

The single ship the Draenei built was the Vindicaar.

All of Tempest keep and related ships are tech provided by the Naaru, and they are half covered in weird, symetrical engravings and symbols, both outside and inside.

[Ersula]

Because they want to see Naaru. Honestly, we've seen plenty of naaru in the past, and they weren't that exceptional. Beledar certainly is, so it's probably something much more powerful than just a Naaru, if there's anything in that giant crystal.

Something more powerful than just a Naaru? Like, for example, Azeroth?

Do you think they designed Beledar specifically for this debate? They made it look exactly like an upside-down Genedar but also tell us its a piece of Azeroth's essence.

I think I have a theory that reconciles all these points: Azeroth is supposedly this Prime World Soul, that can reproduce world souls? So that's what it did. The Titans, in trying to filter out untoward influences, as they do with the Earthen, created Xal'atath. Xal'atath is the dark influences within Azeroth, purged. But instead of being destroying like the Titans expected she formed into an entirely separate entity. A piece of the World Soul, like a monocellular organism splitting into two entities. But the creation of a void entity by the world soul caused an opposite reaction: An offspring of pure light; the Beledar. A sentient being of pure light. They're the Void & Light versions of Titans & Azeroth's offspring.

The single ship the Draenei built was the Vindicaar.

All of Tempest keep and related ships are tech provided by the Naaru, and they are half covered in weird, symetrical engravings and symbols, both outside and inside.

The Draenei still built those. The Draenei built a lot of ships. The Naaru taught them but they still built them. The only one we know of Built by the Naaru alone was Genedar. And those symbols are still completely different from the ones on Beledar.

[Raetary]

Yes, but it's a bit suspicious... I just checked and some classes didn't get a new titan like the paladin with Amitus, they got instead a forged by titans so the question is: why did they create a new titan only for the paladin but not for the other classes? Because they could simply have given them Tyr or someone else.

They did give them Tyr.
Every class received both a Titan and a Keeper as legendaries.

Though because there are 11 HS classes and only 8 known Titans, they just used the Primus for Dks and created Amitus as a Paladin-esque Titan.

And Megatron for Rogues, i forgot about that one.*

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Something more powerful than just a Naaru? Like, for example, Azeroth?

I mean, if Beledar were to house a Light entity as has been suggested, I think it would be something other than a Naaru as I explained in the rest of my answer.

They did give them Tyr.
Every class received both a Titan and a Keeper as legendaries.

Though because there are 11 HS classes and only 8 known Titans, they just used the Primus for Dks and created Amitus as a Paladin-esque Titan.

Okay, thanks for the correction. But it doesn't change anything I said. Why did they create a Titan only for the paladin and not the other classes that didn't have one? Because they could have done it, but they didn't. I like to think that Amitus is intended to be canonical. We'll see as the saga continues.

[Khaza-R]

They did give them Tyr.
Every class received both a Titan and a Keeper as legendaries.

Though because there are 11 HS classes and only 8 known Titans, they just used the Primus for Dks and created Amitus as a Paladin-esque Titan.

I will say Amitus is an interesting case. I am not sure she will ever turn up in WoW. But neither Rogues or DKs got a true titan.

I think they could of very easily have just given Paladins a light constellar like Lumia rather than going to the hassle of creating a new titan. But she does fill the vacant spot of a Light-aligned titan. Eonar is Life-aligned. Argus is Death-aligned. Sargeras is Disorder-aligned. The only piece we are missing is a Void-aligned titan at this point. But who knows, that could definitely pop up in the saga.

[Limayria]

I will say Amitus is an interesting case. I am not sure she will ever turn up in WoW. But neither Rogues or DKs got a true titan.

I think they could of very easily have just given Paladins a light constellar like Lumia rather than going to the hassle of creating a new titan. But she does fill the vacant spot of a Light-aligned titan. Eonar is Life-aligned. Argus is Death-aligned. Sargeras is Disorder-aligned. The only piece we are missing is a Void-aligned titan at this point. But who knows, that could definitely pop up in the saga.

She kinda looks like she-ra

[Cheezits]

Considering Azeroth isn't REALLY a titan yet (probably) it would be interesting of the TLT name refers to Sargeras or a Light/Void titan who meddles and kicks off the next saga. Amitus makes sense and she could even be an antagonist who sides with the Arathi Emperor over us.

It could even be Elune but I doubt it. I think Elune is destined to be Azeroth's patron god as she serves neither the Light or the Void specifically.

[Khaza-R]

I could see Lumia popping more so than Amitus.

She's an interesting constellar who's purpose is to grow new planets out of dead ones. So perhaps finally Draenor, Argus and K'aresh could see rebirth

[Joshuaj]

Here's what I think is up with the messages:

1. An'she is a Sun God, just as Mu'sha/Elune is a Moon Goddess. Early in Azeroth's history, he sent the Beledar to watch over the worldsoul, while Elune made sure Elun'Ahir was planted.

2. The Void and the Titans messed up their plans. The Beledar is corrupted by Xal'atath. Elun'Ahir is torn down by Aman'Thul.

Later, they cover up their tracks by essentially burying the story and doing their own thing with the Manifold. Xal'atath, meanwhile was destroyed by her brothers and couldn't pursue her plans with the Beledar. So it was safe for a long time.

Much later, guardians were sent by Elune to protect Elun'Ahir. The Haranir.

Later still, the Beledar summoned its own guardians from Avaloren, the Arathi.

Just in time, too, because both the Beledar and Elun'Ahir are being used by the Void to corrupt the worldsoul and carry out "the awakening".

The High Elves call the sun "Belore". Wouldn't surprise me if An'she had a name like that. Belore, Baelor, Balor, or something.

Elune and Belore. Azeroth's guardians of the Light. The Beledar's and could even mean the Vessel of Light or something, with that in mind.

Before I say anything, I think we should separate Mu'sha from Elune. Like, I genuinely believe they're different entities, though I do think they're connected in some way.

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Elune shares a celestial connection with Xe'ra, correct? Who's to say Elune ain't connected with other Naaru? What if Mu'sha and Lo'sho are Naaru that are linked with Elune?

[Foolicious]

I will say Amitus is an interesting case. I am not sure she will ever turn up in WoW. But neither Rogues or DKs got a true titan.

I think they could of very easily have just given Paladins a light constellar like Lumia rather than going to the hassle of creating a new titan. But she does fill the vacant spot of a Light-aligned titan. Eonar is Life-aligned. Argus is Death-aligned. Sargeras is Disorder-aligned. The only piece we are missing is a Void-aligned titan at this point. But who knows, that could definitely pop up in the saga.

Isn't the whole point of everything the titans do to prevent a void titan from coming into exitence? Sargeras schtick is that he is peeing his burning pants thinking about what a void titan will mean for the universe.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Isn't the whole point of everything the titans do to prevent a void titan from coming into exitence? Sargeras schtick is that he is peeing his burning pants thinking about what a void titan will mean for the universe.

Maybe it's already happened, or maybe it will. After all, he's no longer here to prevent it.

[Eldryth]

There was a Void-corrupted Worldsoul at one point. As far as we've been told, Sargeras destroying it, and the rest of the Pantheon disagreeing with that decision, is what led to him turning against them.

It's speculated that that Worldsoul was Telogrus, and that Telogrus Rift is its remnants. The Hearthstone team even claimed as much along with explaining Amitus, but later clarified that they don't actually know the WoW team's answer for it and were just speculating themselves.

[Khaza-R]

Isn't the whole point of everything the titans do to prevent a void titan from coming into exitence? Sargeras schtick is that he is peeing his burning pants thinking about what a void titan will mean for the universe.

I think the last chronicles recontextualized what Sargeras saw into a "void creature" rather than a void titan. So they could be end up being different things.