The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Limayria]

On a completely different topic for once. What are peple expecting out of Legion Remix?
So much of what made Legion unique doesnt really work in the context of Remix. Legiondaries would need to be totally redesigned. And Artifact Weapons are unlikely to be anything but stat sticks to replace the legendary cloak in MoP Remix.

Legion is definitely good, and a great candidate for Remix given the large amounts of stuff in it. But I struggle to see how it would be an improvement over MoP unless the developers adds tons of unused tints, or even make unique Artifact Weapon appearances for the occassion.

Mage tower artifact appearances 100% and probably a new set of 4 appearances for existing artifacts

[Sondrelk]

MoP Remix didn't add anything though. If anything, it failed to include a decent amount of MoP content

They didnt. But as always with repeating events like these. There is an expectation to be better than the previous version. And MoP Remix did add a lot of unused stuff to the game, like recolours of the Wandering Isle levelling weapons and such.

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Mage tower artifact appearances 100% and probably a new set of 4 appearances for existing artifacts

A new set of appearances for each artifact seems unlikely.
Even just one new appearance for each existing artifact adds up to 32 new weapons, which isnt a long ways away from the amount of weapons a new patch might add on its own.

Though we shall see. I wouldnt discount Legion Remix just coasting on players liking Legion, and just repeating the MoP Remix formula of easy cosmetics farm.

[Lady Atia]

MoP Remix didn't add anything though. If anything, it failed to include a decent amount of MoP content

Tbf, only CM's were missing which kinda makes sense as the whole remix thing kinda went against the way CM's were designed (you scaled down to a specific ilvl as opposed to remix' endless power spikes).

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Would be nice for sure. And that weapon would definitely work as an Evoker artifact if Blizzard decides to go to those lengths. Even if I think it's more likely we just get one of the starter weapons from the Dracthyr intro with a cool name on it.

Eagle mounts definitely. Still shocked Hunters couldnt get one of those given we were in the Eagletalon lodge, filled with eagles, in a zone where everyone rode eagles as mounts.


I do wonder how they will deal with Order Halls. Obviously not a whole lot of content there when the mission board is almost definitely gone. I doubt evokers get one for themselves. But who knows.

Evokers could just have theirs in the starting area / big bazar. They have to design that anyways. Their campaign could also just be a streamlined version, leading through the various dungeons and raids or something.

[Sondrelk]

Tbf, only CM's were missing which kinda makes sense as the whole remix thing kinda went against the way CM's were designed (you scaled down to a specific ilvl as opposed to remix' endless power spikes).

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Evokers could just have theirs in the starting area / big bazar. They have to design that anyways. Their campaign could also just be a streamlined version, leading through the various dungeons and raids or something.

Just having their order hall inside the creche where they start the levelling is probably the most likely if they get something unique. It's a decent size. Easy to retrofit. And could be closed off to prevent players getting outside the boundaries of Legion content like they managed to back in MoP with the quests that took you outside Pandaria.

Honestly, the campaigns were mostly "send follower on X mission for 12 hours" anyways. So there wouldbt be a need for much more than 4-5 unique quests. And there is Neltharion's Lair, so there is some relevant story there as well.

[Cheezits]

Artifacts for Evokers would be really cool, it would probably be Noz's scythe and something to do with Alexstrazsa or Kalecgos.

Or the original Oathbinder gauntlet?

[Merryck]

They could just give Evokers Nasz'uro again

[Jolly Roger]

He calls Azeroth the soul of our world, and talks about her massive potential to us. Not once does he talk about how she's one of the First Ones, or anything like that. Also, not to sound rude, but I have to ask, how would the First Ones realistically have a life cycle? Why would they be bound to something they created?

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The entire point of a life cycle is that it's...well...LIFE! It's bound to that force, and as far as we know, the force of Life is but a portion of one of the First Ones which evolved VIA the pattern.

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This information does make me wonder though, did Dimensius actually consume the Worldsoul of K'aresh? Or is that simply what the Ethereals were made to believe due to the All-Devouring's nature? Who's to say Dimensius wasn't simply trying to correct the mistakes of Telogrus VIA corrupting the Worldsoul through a more direct means (Assuming Telogrus was the planet Sargeras destroyed, of course)?

world souls are born
which is part of life
titans are world souls
so are titans bound to life?


the first ones are supposed to be the creators and grand designers. they know everything thatvis supposed to happen (the maw walker prophecy)

in order to ensure balance in their design why not make themselves part of the great circle?

speculation being that the soul of azeroth is a first one and the first ones are simply the prime beings of the forces. the prime beings being world souls fits because we only know 1 world soul's POV and that was argus who remembered pre-time

[Sondrelk]

They could just give Evokers Nasz'uro again

I doubt they would give Evokers what is in effect a free legendary. Maybe if it was only recolours.

[Merryck]

I doubt they would give Evokers what is in effect a free legendary. Maybe if it was only recolours.

They did it with the Ashbringer

[Sondrelk]

They did it with the Ashbringer

The Ashbringer both didnt exist as an obtainable item. And was obtained in modern upscaled graphics. Not at all the same.

[Nightshade711]

I’d be willing to bet that a hypothetical Evoker class hall for remix would be in the new timeways area we got in DF.
(Where you go to get to old dungeons for M+)

And/Or alternatively I could also see them opening up the class halls to every class for remix only. That way Evokers can still do campaign content without them needing a dedicated class hall or entirely new campaign.

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I would love it if they added in the unused Kirin Tor Aluneth skin though for some form of content.



And also some of the other cut content. Like the 1h/shield hpal variant.

[Sondrelk]

I wonder if the designers could stretch to one weapon per class. There are definitely Mage ones lying about in the files. And with the Nozdormu scythe that does make it 2 out of 13 classes if they go that route.

[Sondrelk]

Tell me this isn't the Beledar falling from the sky in each of these. Because I'm pretty sure it is. Thoughts?

I think it's the obscure and rarely seen "arrow" shape. Often used because it looks cool.

[Cheezits]

I can see Xal coming from Beledar. Somehow. Especially if it was Void to start with: the mural could be the Old Gods finding her encased in the crystal.

Maybe she is Azeroth's emissary thing that turned to void?

[milkmustache]

I’d be willing to bet that a hypothetical Evoker class hall for remix would be in the new timeways area we got in DF.
(Where you go to get to old dungeons for M+)

And/Or alternatively I could also see them opening up the class halls to every class for remix only. That way Evokers can still do campaign content without them needing a dedicated class hall or entirely new campaign. And also some of the other cut content. Like the 1h/shield hpal variant.

Opening up class halls to all does sort of feel like it would happen, and give remix specific items (like the Yak fur) for quests that may need certain class abilities.

Would love to see that Aluneth skin, and would love to finally see a properly HD Kirin Tor tabard.

Tell me this isn't the Beledar falling from the sky in each of these. Because I'm pretty sure it is. Thoughts?

I'm a big Beledar = Naaru believer. I don't think this is anything. Just reused themes.

[Hitei]

Tell me this isn't the Beledar falling from the sky in each of these. Because I'm pretty sure it is. Thoughts?

Reading too far into a similarity imho. Beledar isn't one-side tapered like that, it's just stuck halfway through the ceiling. The Arathi armor is just using their omnipresent motif which is supposed to be evocative of a torch (the long downward spike is the handle).

I could maybe buy Xal's in particular, less because of the crystal and more because the swirl in the orb screams Azeroth, but given again, that it's a very different looking crystal from Beledar's structure, I think it's maybe more supposed to read as her entire role: the Void descending onto Azeroth.

[allegrian]

TWW is a danuser expansion that Metzen tried to sell as a part of the world soul saga, which will really jist be the following 2 games and are using some lore bits from TWW and DF as a prologue. The actual zones and raids from TWW won't be relevant at all unless tha final patch proves me wrong.

They clearly dropped Ansurek as an important boss while setting up Xalatath, and the opening cinematic for TWW is Sargeras' sword, which Metzen said we're not going to see until TLT.

TWW basically ended after the leveling campaign and the patch content will be side quests. I hope that midnight and TLT have actual story progression.

[Hitei]

I respect your opinion, but that's seems a little wild to me. Why would the theme arise in the first place, unless inspired by something?

Just take a quick look around Hallowfall. Literally everything they do, from buildings to armour and even small tools in one way or another feature a sun-like sphere that seemingly ejects something. Sometimes it's shown as a crystal-like object and sometimes it's just a straight line or 'ray' of sorts.

The markings around the Beledar, on the ceiling, show that as well. A sphere with a line going from it towards the crystal. I.e. the sphere ejecting the crystal.

Then the Beledar itself has those markings as seen in the image, and even Xal'atath echoes this on her robes.

It's bleeding obvious that 'the fallen star' is An'she's gift to us.

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The Arathi have a couple of versions of this.

In one, as seen in this image, you see the crystal falling into the depths below. Then there are the torch motifs, which I believe is them developing their culture around it. In those versions, the torch shows what the Beledar means to them down in the depths.

But like above, that is not even what Beledar looks like. I think you might just being seeing what you want to see. This is not an uncommon visual in wow, because crosses are a naturally balanced structure and diamonds and circles are very basic design elements.



It's not that there are two versions of the Arathi motif, it's that there are dozens of different versions of the single Arathi Empire emblem as a motif. If your assertation is that the Arathi emblem is actually based on Beledar, you now have to explain why the most common version of the emblem is THREE spokes/"crystals" when the Arathi continually treat Beledar as being singular.

Also,

In those versions, the torch shows what the Beledar means to them down in the depths.

This is just completely at odds with the actual history involved in the situation. The emblem is not the emblem of Hallowfall's survivors. It's the Arathi Empire's symbol, brought from their homeland back before they even knew what Beledar was besides "a falling star", when they didn't know about the depths, or the cave darkness they'd be struggling to survive in, or that they would need literal torches to not be wiped out.

It's a torch because they're a Light and flame worshipping Empire. So it's sort of cross-like to be evocative of religion and it's sort of sun-like to double down on Light rather than just flame-worship, and it's built into armor and weapons and buildings in such a way that it looks like it's a brazier or torch.

[Scyth]

I highly doubt blizzard is going to spend a lot of time and resources on a Remix patch so if we get Legion Remix, it won’t come with many new items imo. At most I reckon we might get some recolours of the mage artifact appearances but I doubt that too.

[Sondrelk]

I highly doubt blizzard is going to spend a lot of time and resources on a Remix patch so if we get Legion Remix, it won’t come with many new items imo. At most I reckon we might get some recolours of the mage artifact appearances but I doubt that too.

Definitely the most likely. Same things we got in MoP, meaning all transmog ensembles without class restriction. All cosmetics available on a vendor. And whatever odds and ends they can scrounge up from the files that didn't get used for whatever reason, whether this means recolours of the Vrykul sets, or variants of the class sets we didn't get.

Some new recolours of the class ensembles we got in MoP Remix isn't impossible. Or maybe the variants of the updated T2 armour we got in the Anniversary.

A new weapon for each class is about the extent of what I think is reasonable to consider possible. And even just 13 weapons feels like it's possible due to there being a few unused weapon models in the files they could use.