The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

This particular list checks out fine for me, though I'd also like to see an Azjol-Nerub expansion, perhaps merging the 12.0 and 14.0 of this list into one so that 12.0 could be Azjol-Nerub.

I think we’re going to see Undermine instead of Azjol-Nerub. WoW devs already stated that they wanted Goblin players to experience it, and it was a planned continent in vanilla WoW. Azjol-Nerub is more likely to be a dungeon or raid; Possibly during an Undermine expansion.

That would also line up well with the introduction of everyone’s favorite class; The Tinker. The concept of Azerite should also be heavily revisited, since Kezan and subsequently Undermine supposedly has a high level of Azerite deposits.

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Well, the Lightbound invasion could happen for both reasons. Yrel wants to forcibly convert the denizens of Azeroth. Xe’ra wants to convert the denizens of Azeroth, but it could be a two bird one stone situation as she continues to pursue her obsession with Illidan. I think it could make for an interesting story, and one more slightly different than what we are expecting. Rather than just having Xe’ra completely focused on converting all folk to the Light, it would make for a refreshing change to have her just be completely unhinged and obsessed with Illidan, wanting to convert him by any means necessary and using the Lightbound as a means to that end. It could also create an interesting schism at some point between Yrel and Xe’ra.

Do I think that’s what Blizz will go with? Probably not. I expect and wouldn’t mind a Light based expansion following the below pattern or something similar:

11.0 - Light invades, wins Stormwind to their cause. Invades Lordaeron and Quel’thalas. Raid is either a revamped Sunwell or repurposed Deatholme in the Ghostlands. Lightholme?

11.1 - Lightbound lead an assault on Azuremyst and Bloodmyst. Raid is Defence of The Exodar.

11.2 - We push the Light back to Stormwind. Elwynn, Westfall, Duskwood and Redridge become daily hubs. Raid is Siege of Stormwind

Mega Dungeon - I have no idea someone jump in here. Possibly Scarlet Monastery. Alternatively could be Temple of Karabor if we head to Draenor sooner.

11.3 - We push the Light back to AU Draenor. We land in Farahlon which homes the last remaining bastion of Orcs from AU Draenor. A war campaign leading us from Farahlon to Talador ensues. Raid is Shattrath City.

But I could also see a heavy Illidan story taking place considering what we know. I think both possible story paths have merit.

Are we even sure that the Naaru empowering the Lightbound army is Xera? Also even if it is, this is an AU version of Xera, she might not give two f*cks about Illidan.

With that said, your patch concepts are very interesting. Good work.

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What about a realm hopping expansion with teleports similar to Cata and Shadowlands. 5 or 6 seperate zones. Each zone is the dead body of a titan panetheon member.

That’s fine and all, but why are we doing it? Also how are we doing it?

I like the idea of lost Titan facilities scattered throughout the world. Those are always fun to explore, and the lore can be very interesting. I also like how they align with ancient civilizations in the real world. However, running and down the body of a Titan seems kind of weird.

[Makabreska]

K'aresh is probably the only cosmic place I would like to visit because I like Ethereals and this fan concept

They got me at this name:

[Alanar]

Slightly OT: What about the Nathrezim planet.
Was it also completely deatroyed or unknown?

We had few people mention the place, but it all seema really outdated. Very fell and legion influenced. We know they can adapt very well to one cosmic force, but as their homeworld it seems a little odd that their focus is on fel, atleast according to wowpedia.

Could this be the place were the dreadlord went with denathrius?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Slightly OT: What about the Nathrezim planet.
Was it also completely deatroyed or unknown?

We had few people mention the place, but it all seema really outdated. Very fell and legion influenced. We know they can adapt very well to one cosmic force, but as their homeworld it seems a little their focus is on fel.

Could this be the place were the dreadlord went with denathrius?

Illidan blew it up like out land, could still be some sizeable chunks though.

[Alanar]

Illidan blew it up like out land, could still be some sizeable chunks though.

I guess it doesnt mean much in the end, since ka eresh also says its destroyed. As long as the story lends itself the place will be created or retconned. Same story as Zandalar.

Good to know.

[Luck4]

I'm sure we'll see K'aresh or so, whether it be in the near future or farther future, but I do think we'll see the other Cosmic Domains. Ik others don't want to go there, but if said expacs follow the DF roadmap plan, then maybe the other Cosmic Realms and Zereths will be better received?

I think Cosmic Planes would work if they follow Legion story flow, where we start in Azeroth and then we go to a Cosmic Plane afterward, it also can be done using two expacs, one for lore and threat build-up and one for arc conclusion.

For some weird reason, Blizzard thought that an unknown story and villains would work in Shadowlands, but in Legion, we knew we were going to face Gul'dan, Kil'jaeden, and possibly Sargeras at the moment the expansion was announced, same thing with Wrath of the Lich King, so it doesn't matter if we know who we're going to kill next if it makes sense lore-wise. Meanwhile, in Shadowlands, they tried to keep everything a secret as long as possible and the conclusion failed to fulfill the expectations created after so many cliffhangers, not to mention the retcons.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Green jesus on Blizzcon 2023 art, we will see more of thrall in coming patches besides the orc heritage armor? or maybe in new expansion.

[Dracullus]

Green jesus on Blizzcon 2023 art, we will see more of thrall in coming patches besides the orc heritage armor? or maybe in new expansion.

I still hope Metzen will be one to annonce next expac on main stage.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I still hope Metzen will be one to annonce next expac on main stage.

Metzen or actually someone that brings some charisma and energy to the stage..

Nothing against the man, but i hope john hight won't be even close to doing any announcements..

[Santandame]

If Thrall is the key Warcraft character for this years Blizzcon then I can’t be too crazy for assuming that would mean a world revamp seems most likely?

Probably looking way too much into it but I guess you could glean “healing the world” vibes from it as well as a new beginning.

[Teriz]

Thrall?

Longshot, but I could imagine that being a sign for Lightbound invasion, since WoD also revolved around Orcs, and I could imagine an AU Grom and Garrosh Hellscream making an appearance. Also Thrall will probably be the main one opposing Yrel, due to the Mag'har and Grom.

We'll see.

Great to see Starseeker and a Gnome there too.

[Santandame]

Thrall?

Longshot, but I could imagine that being a sign for Lightbound invasion, since WoD also revolved around Orcs, and I could imagine an AU Grom and Garrosh Hellscream making an appearance. Also Thrall will probably be the main one opposing Yrel, due to the Mag'har and Grom.

We'll see.

Great to see Starseeker and a Gnome there too.

I think it lends credence to either World Revamp or Lightbound invasion. Though I imagine Velen would also star alongside Thrall as the main Alliance aligned character to oppose Yrel.

Avaloren and South Seas definitely lose some points being next if this art is any indication.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Thrall?

Longshot, but I could imagine that being a sign for Lightbound invasion, since WoD also revolved around Orcs, and I could imagine an AU Grom and Garrosh Hellscream making an appearance. Also Thrall will probably be the main one opposing Yrel, due to the Mag'har and Grom.

We'll see.

Great to see Starseeker and a Gnome there too.

Also after orc heritage questline all orc clans are on much better terms than before so it would be a force to reckon with if lightbound really decided to invade.

[Raetary]

Metzen or actually someone that brings some charisma and energy to the stage..

Nothing against the man, but i hope john hight won't be even close to doing any announcements..

Indeed.
Watching Hight is like watching a very awkward middle school presentation.

Metzen exuding his charisma on stage would be lovely to see again.

[Teriz]

I think it lends credence to either World Revamp or Lightbound invasion.

Avaloren and South Seas definitely lose some points being next if this art is any indication.

I don't really think a World Revamp would eliminate the possibility of a Lightbound Invasion. A revamped world takes the place of a new continent, just like it did in Cataclysm. Revamped zones also facilitate an invasion storyline, since you can have established zones "occupied" by the Lightbound.

But yeah, I agree; Thrall being there really reorients the possibilities.

[Santandame]

The eventual Draenei heritage quest chain will be interesting to see.

One could assume that it would lend further evidence to Lightbound next, or detract from it.

[Teriz]

Also after orc heritage questline all orc clans are on much better terms than before so it would be a force to reckon with if lightbound really decided to invade.

It would be fun to watch the unified Orc clans backed by the Tauren and trolls really taking a stand against the Lightbound while the alliance waffles between which side to choose. Seeing old Grom standing next to Thrall would be badass and worth the price of admission alone.

I'm also down with the Alliance being the baddies for once.

[Kiivar86]

I think you guys are looking a bit too hard at the image, really. Deathwing was on the image for Blizzconline 2020, for example.

[Santandame]

It would be fun to watch the unified Orc clans backed by the Tauren and trolls really taking a stand against the Lightbound while the alliance waffles between which side to choose. Seeing old Grom standing next to Thrall would be badass and worth the price of admission alone.

I'm also down with the Alliance being the baddies for once.

Would be an interesting schism in the Alliance.

I imagine those open to embracing the Lightbound would be Turalyon, Moira, Fareeya and others. Whereas you’d have Velen and Alleria as the key alliance figures to oppose.

Could be a good opportunity for some major Dwarven focus actually.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think you guys are looking a bit too hard at the image, really. Deathwing was on the image for Blizzconline 2020, for example.

Probably - still fun little speculation, since he's the only character related to wow there, a gnome is for the mobile game.