The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Warcraft should take from FFXIV and give us a Pictomancer class! Apothecary is actually a close enough idea ngl, but Pictomancy would be so cool to see in WoW

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I've always wanted a Battlemage so I'm down for it, just that the description made me go "wait that's enhancement shaman" which, to be fair, are the closest thing we have to battlemages at present anyway. But I wouldn't complain.

And yeah, ever since Ulduar I've wanted something with a star/cosmic look to it. It is one of the things I like about that whole "electric jazz" or whatever aesthetic they started going with for Shadow priests too. But a full blown astro-aesthetic would be different enough that it doesn't bother me much.

I am kinda surprised at the lack of a time-based one, though. I still think about the whole Timewalker NPCs on the Timeless Isle being clearly set up to be specs of a class.

Tbf here, these are VERY basic descriptions of the class ideas, and they could very much evolve as they're developed, if Blizzard EVER ends up developing all of these classes of course (which I hope they do. Fuck it, go all in on the fantasy).

Tinker, Artificer, and Constructioneer being full on technology? Fuck yeah!

Bard, Apothecary, and Leyweaver being unique classes with cool new abilities and concepts? Fuck yeah!

Prismatic, Astrologian, Titankiller, and Celestial Lancer being based around divine powers (Primarily the Titans for Titankiller, Celestial Lancer, and MAYBE Prismatic, tho I don't fully know...)? Fuck. Yes.

And cool, unique class ideas that exist in other games, and even exist in the lore but aren't playable for some reason, such as Necromancer, Witch, Warden, Gunslinger, Spellbreaker, and Gunner?

Fuck! Yes! Dude!

[Kiivar86]

Tbf here, these are VERY basic descriptions of the class ideas, and they could very much evolve as they're developed, if Blizzard EVER ends up developing all of these classes of course (which I hope they do. Fuck it, go all in on the fantasy).

Fair point. And just because they have the idea doesn't mean they'll pan out too.

[Joshuaj]

Give me all or give me none! Will it take years to fully implement all of these? Yes. Will I wait? Yes.

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Fair point. And just because they have the idea doesn't mean they'll pan out too.

True, and some of these could end up being specs for classes instead of their own classes entire.

Gunner and Gunslinger are good examples of that, since I do think they can combine lol

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Gimme Prismatic though! I want that! Reword it so that it doesn't sound "Titan-based" though. Using all 6 forces in their purest states ain't really Titan at all. It is Progenitor based however.

And besides, Evoker is already Aspect and Order based lol.

[Teriz]

These are clearly class ideas for The Last Titan.

Which makes me wonder if we're not getting a new class in Midnight.

Also I agree that Prismatic sounds like Evoker minus the dragon/aspect stuff.

Tinker being linked to titan tech is very interesting. I've long theorized that the Tinker claw pack from WC3 was titan technology.

[Joshuaj]

These are clearly class ideas for The Last Titan.

Which makes me wonder if we're not getting a new class in Midnight.

Also I agree that Prismatic sounds like Evoker minus the dragon/aspect stuff.

Tinker being linked to titan tech is very interesting. I've long theorized that the Tinker claw pack from WC3 was titan technology.

Tinker being linked to Titan-Tech makes it sound more interesting ngl.

Magitech is peak!

[Kiivar86]

Tinker being linked to Titan-Tech makes it sound more interesting ngl.

Magitech is peak!

Amen there too. I've been pretty open about not being a big fan of goblin (or gnomish) tech (just not my bag, not saying its bad, just not my thing) but titan-based stuff? Yeah I'm down for that too.

True, and some of these could end up being specs for classes instead of their own classes entire.

Gunner and Gunslinger are good examples of that, since I do think they can combine lol

I would wonder if Gunner/Gunslinger can just use guns as they are now, since I dislike the idea of "this weapon is for one class only" thing. But then I wonder if they'd use bows too and that just opens up funny mental images for me of trying to draw two bowstrings at once.

Still, a gunslinger thing could be neat. I always did like that look Lord Godfrey had in the TCG.

[Joshuaj]

amen there too. I've been pretty open about not being a big fan of goblin (or gnomish) tech (just not my bag, not saying its bad, just not my thing) but titan-based stuff? Yeah i'm down for that too.



I would wonder if gunner/gunslinger can just use guns as they are now, since i dislike the idea of "this weapon is for one class only" thing. But then i wonder if they'd use bows too and that just opens up funny mental images for me of trying to draw two bowstrings at once.

Still, a gunslinger thing could be neat. I always did like that look lord godfrey had in the tcg.

Blizzard! Give me gun users with machine guns, full on magical sniper rifles that rival anime-type shit, etc and my life is yours!!!

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Btw, if Prismatic does make it to the game, and it is Titan related (With one spec being based off Eonar, one spec being based off Aman'Thul and Norgannon, and another spec being based off Argus and Sargeras), I'd be OKAY with it, but a couple of issues...

1. Evokers exist, and the Aspects take from the Titans gifts and powers somewhat.

2. Prismatic users are said to wield cosmic powers in their purest states. Titans can't use pure Life, pure Shadow, pure Death, etc.

And 3. If Prismatic is used for the Titans, and "pure Death" is explored with Argus, then, again, that's weird because Argus never used PURE DEATH (he did use Death magics, but it wasn't Death magic in its most true form), and he never had the death magic amps naturally.

[Ersula]

Ok? What does this have to do with what I said?

You keep saying the Prismatic dragons have the "power of the cosmic forces." They don't. They can just control the entire repertoire of magic.

[Joshuaj]

You keep saying the Prismatic dragons have the "power of the cosmic forces." They don't. They can just control the entire repertoire of magic.

...what?

1. I said nothing about dragons.

And 2. Prismatic, as described above, is said to wield cosmic powers in their purest states, such as Life, Order, Death, and Shadow.

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My main argument stems from the fact that I don't want it to be a titan related class, if it does end up becoming real. Just seems silly to me, as the Titans can't really use any cosmic power in its purest state, just Order.

[huth]

You keep saying the Prismatic dragons have the "power of the cosmic forces." They don't. They can just control the entire repertoire of magic.

You're thinking of Chromatic dragons. Which have zilch to do with any of this.

[Cheezits]

Those classes sound great. Really pleasantly surprised to see a Witch class that would use Drust magic and Decay.

Seeing both Artificer AND Tinker is surprising. Are they going to end up both being specs of one class, or are they going to do both? The titan magic callout for them pretty much confirms the theories in here about them being TLT classes. Bard using the wordsoul song makes me think it is also planned for this saga.

What I'm shocked about... no Void class whatsoever? Or is it just locked in for Midnight already? I guess Astrologian could be it?

[Eldryth]

Those classes sound great. Really pleasantly surprised to see a Witch class that would use Drust magic and Decay.

Seeing both Artificer AND Tinker is surprising. Are they going to end up both being specs of one class, or are they going to do both? The titan magic callout for them pretty much confirms the theories in here about them being TLT classes. Bard using the wordsoul song makes me think it is also planned for this saga.

What I'm shocked about... no Void class whatsoever? Or is it just locked in for Midnight already?

My take on it is, if it's real, then it looks like they're trying to decide what class to include in TLT in particular. There's a whole bunch of Titan-themed ideas there, and the rest of it sounds far more generic. So the main purpose could be to decide whether Artificer, Bard, Tinker, or the more surprising Titan classes would be the best one to add.

If that's the intended purpose for the survey, then the lack of a Void class is just logical. If we get one, it will most likely be in Midnight, and that decision would already be made at this point.

[Cheezits]

If that's the intended purpose for the survey, then the lack of a Void class is just logical. If we get one, it will most likely be in Midnight, and that decision would already be made at this point.

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

[huth]

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

Astrologian strikes me as having a bit much overlap with Moonkin.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Definitely would like to see Tinker and Bard if these are the most likely Support Class Candidates. Outside of that I only really have a soft spot for a fast-paced Gun class and Warden but I am under no illusion that Warden seems far-fetched.

Very surprising but I mean things look good with the previous Survey on top of that.

[Teriz]

TBF, some of those class ideas sound more like 4th specs or hero talents. Someone rightfully pointed out that "Hunter" is mentioned in the Warden description, and is using decidedly Hunter abilities like Traps.

[Viridiel]

Some of them definitely work for Midnight:
Warden: night elf
Leyweaver: nightborne
Spellbreaker/battlemage: blood elf
Astrologer: void elf (technically works for all of them, but the void elves actually hang out in space)

Bard seems relevant to the entire trilogy, prismatic is (somewhat) relevant to the greater story, and witch, gunslinger, gunner, apothecary, and necromancer are generic or seemingly irrelevant to anything going on right now. Gunslinger is especially perplexing to me with the existence of outlaw rogues who already have to share a good chunk of their identity with survival hunters.

Bard, leyweaver, artificer, tinker, and prismatic are the only ones that look like fully fleshed-out classes, with the rest being really vague concepts or a spec at best.

I'm very interested in bard. The general concept is pretty uninteresting but the idea of using the Radiant Song is very cool.

[Cheezits]

Astrologer: void elf (technically works for all of them, but the void elves actually hang out in space)

Nightborne too are famously into space (the astrologist boss from Nighthold).

[Polybius]

These are clearly class ideas for The Last Titan.

Which makes me wonder if we're not getting a new class in Midnight.

Also I agree that Prismatic sounds like Evoker minus the dragon/aspect stuff.

Tinker being linked to titan tech is very interesting. I've long theorized that the Tinker claw pack from WC3 was titan technology.

Could be 3 years down the line. The housing question came up in a survey back in Shadowlands.

[Cheezits]

I can see there not being a class in Midnight if the focus is on a racial revamp plus maybe some new races. Especially if they also add class skins.