The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Eldryth]

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

I was mostly talking about the descriptions. Most of the classes that fit well for TLT got detailed descriptions about how they tie in to the Titan or Worldsoul lore (with only Celestial Lancer being lazy), while nearly everything else got a short, generic description with very little Warcraft flavor. I mean, just look at Wardens- they're a very well-established thing at this point, and one of the best non-Void fits for Midnight, but they just got one line that cuts out most of what we know of them and reduces them to "chakrams and traps". Outside the stuff that fits a Titan theme, only Witch sounds like it had any real effort put into it here.

[Teriz]

Could be 3 years down the line. The housing question came up in a survey back in Shadowlands.

3 years would match the timeline for TLT’s release. Midnight comes out in 2026 I believe. That puts TLT’s release in 2028.

[Nibelheimy]

I've always been content with the idea of Necromancer being a class skin of Warlock, however if it was a class. I could see its specs being Blood (heal) Bone (tank) and Bile (DPS).

The one I'm most exited to be possible however is Witch. I've been feeling playing a Darkspear a lot recently, but lack of beards has annoyed me and all the classes I'd like to play as one I have as mains already. This would be a nice addition.

Most of these are far too grand to be hero talents alone, so I see this survey as a look ahead for the next saga. I do think we will be getting Artificer in TLT however.

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Bards using the radiant song would not of been the way I would of anticipated them. I don't see why there needs to be a connection to the messages of Azeroth and music. However, we have yet to see the worldsoul corrupted, so we may indeed may get differences in her visions. (horrific visions incoming) and we could see some type "songs" from her that could be used to damage if they were used in a classes abilities aspect. Saying this, I would much much rather the actual abilities of a bard be the more classic styled bard, with actual music inspired abilities rather than this.

[Cheezits]

Bards using the radiant song would not of been the way I would of anticipated them. I don't see why there needs to be a connection to the messages of Azeroth and music. However, we have yet to see the worldsoul corrupted, so we may indeed may get differences in her visions. (horrific visions incoming) and we could see some type "songs" from her that could be used to damage if they were used in a classes abilities aspect. Saying this, I would much much rather the actual abilities of a bard be the more classic styled bard, with actual music inspired abilities rather than this.

Well there is the "secret" lore pointing to Music/Song/Sound being important, possibly even the 7th element of magic (Zereth Mortis and that one questline in Dragonflight, technically Murmur in a retroactive way)

[Joshuaj]

Well there is the "secret" lore pointing to Music/Song/Sound being important, possibly even the 7th element of magic (Zereth Mortis and that one questline in Dragonflight, technically Murmur in a retroactive way)

Why would that be the seventh force? Based off BFA and SLs implications, as well as Legion's talk about "the crooked serpent that dreams of infinite beginnings and endings", I always assumed that the seventh would end up more or less as Warcraft's version of Yog-Sothoth.

And what 1 questline in Dragonflight?

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Also, the forces aren't elements of magic. They're forces. Magics are aspects of said force, but a magic type is not the exact same as a force.

[Merryck]

Damn I want to play an Earthen Astrologian.

[Scyth]

Prismatic sounds the coolest out of all those listed to me but I do agree it's very similar to Evoker, doesn't mean they can't exist though.
A class that is Titan-themed is the most likely for TLT imo though so would not be surprised to see Tinkers.

As for those saying there might not be a new class in Midnight, pretty sure they are well into Midnight development and if that expansion is getting a new class then that class is most definitely being designed now. Not a chance they are asking for class ideas for an expansion that is going to release in a year-ish.

So my Void-class copium is still very much on!

[Kellorion]

the entire lists reads like it it was made of by somebody from mmo-champ

[KyleEverett]

the entire lists reads like it it was made of by somebody from mmo-champ

This survey is very likely real, I had heard mention of it days before the German fansite posted it.

[Merryck]

Honestly, any class is believable after Evoker. Evoker and Dracthyr sound and look like fan fiction.

[Joshuaj]

Honestly, any class is believable after Evoker. Evoker and Dracthyr sound and look like fan fiction.

Wielding the powers of all 5 flights? Of course that sounds like fan-fiction.

And that's why it's so fucking cool!

[Enrif]

I was mostly talking about the descriptions. Most of the classes that fit well for TLT got detailed descriptions about how they tie in to the Titan or Worldsoul lore (with only Celestial Lancer being lazy), while nearly everything else got a short, generic description with very little Warcraft flavor. I mean, just look at Wardens- they're a very well-established thing at this point, and one of the best non-Void fits for Midnight, but they just got one line that cuts out most of what we know of them and reduces them to "chakrams and traps". Outside the stuff that fits a Titan theme, only Witch sounds like it had any real effort put into it here.

yeah, that some description were more elaborate is striking. And i think it is safe to assume these are more along the design process than the classes with shorter text.
If i take the 5 classes with the most text, it leaves us with:

• Artificer: Melee based Tanks,Damagedealer and Healer, that use a mix of handmade machines and titan-technology. Mechanic-reactive gear is the foundation of their power, while utilising new weapon types like extendable flails or reactive shields. This class is on the frontlines of battles and protects and supports their team with their inventions.
• Bard: Supporter, Healer and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights.
• Prismatic: As heirs to titanic Power, Prismatics are carriers of cosmic powers that can not only be used in their purest forms, but their transcending powers can be merged to new powers. They refine and focus the power of life to heal allies, or the powers of order to protect themself, or they merge the combined powers of death and shadow to deal damage to enemies.
• Tinker: Genius inventors, who have uncovered the secrets of the titan technology, and using it to protect their allies, heal wounds and attack enemies. Through their understanding of machines. tinkers can create inventions (custom made skills/spells), control Mech-Suits and deploy mechanical constructs to create an advantage in combat.
• Witch: Damagedealers and Healers that use “old magic” to reach towards darker, natural powers. They magic includes curses, familiars, rituals, spiritual connections, poisons, decay and more. This class builds onto the teachings of witches and dark magicians of WoW, including the witches of Drustvar, the gilnean harvest witches, the decay gnolls and troll hexes and spirit magic.

these are also classes that call out roles, compared to classes that have just generic text without even a mention of roles they can fulfill, like Titankiller or Necromancer,

[Worldshaper]

I love how one lil' survey gets everybody chatting. This is great!

Just keep in mind most of those classes probably won’t see the light of day. It's interesting to see them all considered part of WoW lore in Blizzard's view, though.

[Jaggler]

Well there is the "secret" lore pointing to Music/Song/Sound being important, possibly even the 7th element of magic (Zereth Mortis and that one questline in Dragonflight, technically Murmur in a retroactive way)

You don't have to dig deep to find a song/music as an important plotpoint, considering the Radiant Song being one of the main reasons we even went out, explored Khaz Algar and discovered more about Azeroth. With Azeroths communication with Magni also often referred to as music/singing/song iirc.

If anything the 7th force would be something like (free) will, which is something every force is opposed to in one way or another while also being the one thing Azeroth was able to give the Earthen even while imprisoned and being put to sleep by the titans.

[Lahis]

[*]Bard: Supporter, Healer and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights.

Interesting that bards would have tank spec instead of tradiotional pure damage spec. This would make them the only class in the game without a real damage spec, which would make questing and other solo content significantly slower for them. I would have expected them to come with the evoker options of dps/support/healer.

[Syegfryed]

Looks like they send out another survey, this time about new classes, including tinker, bard, pistolier, astromancer, witch, apothecary, celesteal spearfighter, battlemage, artificer, leyweaver, prismatic (basically first ones magic user), titanslayer, necromancer, tanking hunter called guardian, spellbreaker - although they note that not all of these are actually in development right now.

https://www.chromie.de/world-of-warc...rklich-kommen/

Most of these sound quite dope, just not sure why they basically have three different titan / first ones based classes which just sound super weird all around (celestial spearfighter, prismatic and titanslayer). Really hope they aren't playing with that for TLT instead of any of the more traditional ones.

Man, where this surveys come from, i dont know a single person who got a blizz survey

Some of then look cool, some reduntant, and some look bad, and i think its fair when you are brainstorming possibilities.

For me, tinker seems like the only one with enough barebones and a skeleton to draw a full fledged class of all the options

[Pyrophax]

Witch is highly debatable, their niche fill warlocks and druids quite well to me. Worgen witches are druids (without massive retcons).
>They magic includes curses, familiars, rituals, spiritual connections, poisons, decay and more
So its warlock to me. Maybe as class skin it would be cool, but separate class? Nah. But if witch skin for warlock will be implented - I will delete my worgen druid for witch in a blink of an eye.

Prismatic sound awfully familiar to Evokers. Maybe as Evoker class skin for regular races? That would be sick as hell. Not bounding them to dragons, but to cosmic powers themselves.

Twinpistols (Gunner and Gunslinger) sound as rogue forth spec to me. Maybe one for rogue and one for Hunter? New weapon type for 2 classes sound better then for one.

Celestials Lancer, considering description can be DH class skin for non-elves. Or warrior class skin.

Bard and Tinker are welcome ofc, but with odd with addition of titan/worldsoul song magic. But if there is need to do some cosmic power empowerment - so be it.

Battlemage sound as shaman class skin for non-tribal races.

Astrologian sound as mage 4th spec.

Apothecary is rather unique, but its alchemist all the way? At least Tinkers use titan magic, what differ them from engineers.

Artificer looks exactly like Tinker. Class skin for draenei/LFD/Earthen? Or name of one of the specs?

Titankiller and Leyweaver are in list for sake of numbers in polls, silly reason and silly background to be full new class.
Warden and Spellbreaker is here too for that.

[Nymrohd]

Interesting that bards would have tank spec instead of tradiotional pure damage spec. This would make them the only class in the game without a real damage spec, which would make questing and other solo content significantly slower for them. I would have expected them to come with the evoker options of dps/support/healer.

Tanks ain't slow for questing and solo content since forever. Just do larger pulls.

And honestly I think support specs should just be made stronger when completely solo. Augmentation already has some mechanics for that but they could be tuned a bit up.

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Btw no one has received this in English? WoWhead is not even reporting it? Kind of weird.

[Ochinko]

I'm also questioning how legit this thing is. As far as I have seen nobody could verify this by also having received the poll. Also since there seems to be only the german one and none from any other languages I am just thinking this might be some elaborate AI crap until we have more people reporting on it.

The classes and descriptions also seem to lean a bit too much into fan favourites while giving nothing solid to work with.

[Enrif]

Interesting that bards would have tank spec instead of tradiotional pure damage spec. This would make them the only class in the game without a real damage spec, which would make questing and other solo content significantly slower for them. I would have expected them to come with the evoker options of dps/support/healer.

good observation. But i think a supporter spec can easily be tuned that the self support is stronger when solo, so they feel like a normal DPS class then. I leveled one evoker with the augmentation spec, and didn't find it worse than a DPS spec, somewhere between healer and dps in feel.

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Btw no one has received this in English? WoWhead is not even reporting it? Kind of weird.

I'm also questioning how legit this thing is. As far as I have seen nobody could verify this by also having received the poll. Also since there seems to be only the german one and none from any other languages I am just thinking this might be some elaborate AI crap until we have more people reporting on it.

The classes and descriptions also seem to lean a bit too much into fan favourites while giving nothing solid to work with.

From my observation, it seems very genuine, very similar to a poll i had in the past. What makes it more real to me, are a few choices for translations of classes. Artificer for example is translated with Konstrukteur, which is not a translation used anywhere, except warcraft. It was so obscure i first translated it back into Constructeer as i couldn't think of what they meant with that name, until i later looked up some draenei artificers on wowhead and how they are translated in the german client. And there they use Artificer and Konstrukteur.

To add to this, the Gunner and Gunslinger are in german Pistolenschütze and Revolverheld. If i would translate them literally it would be Pistolshooter and Revolverhero. If you wouldn't know anything, they both mean nearly the same in german. YET, there i can use WoWhead again. There is a talent called Revolverheld for outlaw rogue artifact weapon (https://www.wowhead.com/de/spell=202522/revolverheld), the same talent in english is Gunslinger (https://www.wowhead.com/spell=202522/gunslinger). As for Pistolenschütze, it is such a obscure word to use, it is only used in 1 item in the whole game (https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=1593...nsch%C3%BCtzen), and the englisch version uses the word Pistoleer (https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=1593...nsch%C3%BCtzen), yet i can't see blizzard use Pistoleer as a class name, rather than Gunner, as Gunner is a far more common word in Warcraft (https://www.wowhead.com/search?q=gunner#npcs), and has multiple translations into german, among them Kannonier and Schütze, and Schütze is very close to Pistolenschütze.