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    Okay, but the tinker must be inspired by gnome & goblin technology. Not Titan technology. Or very anecdotally, like a passive or something.

    Tinkers are gnomes and goblins in the collective imagination, because that's how they've been represented since their beginnings in Warcraft history so to make a class based on technology but not on these races would be... extremely disappointing. Titans are boring.

    Imagine waiting 20 years for a tinker class to come out and not be what it's supposed to be. It would be like the demon hunters being inspired not by Illidan, but by Diablo. No way.

    As someone who loves gnomes and goblins, one of my goals is to be able to play a class that matches them thematically. A titan-based tinker wouldn't meet this criterion.

    With a little effort, it would be possible to extend them to all races, with skins if need be.

    If Blizzard is seriously considering this class, please don't miss out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enteroctopus Magnificus View Post
    Okay, but the tinker must be inspired by gnome & goblin technology. Not Titan technology. Or very anecdotally, like a passive or something.

    Tinkers are gnomes and goblins in the collective imagination, because that's how they've been represented since their beginnings in Warcraft history so to make a class based on technology but not on these races would be... extremely disappointing. Titans are boring.

    Imagine waiting 20 years for a tinker class to come out and not be what it's supposed to be. It would be like the demon hunters being inspired not by Illidan, but by Diablo. No way.

    As someone who loves gnomes and goblins, one of my goals is to be able to play a class that matches them thematically. A titan-based tinker wouldn't meet this criterion.

    With a little effort, it would be possible to extend them to all races, with skins if need be.

    If Blizzard is seriously considering this class, please don't miss out.
    TBF, Mimiron's technological style is very similar to Gnomes and Goblins, and he would very likely be the source of Titan tech in a proposed Tinker class appearing in TLT.

    Example:

    Mimiron:
    https://www.wowhead.com/ptr/item=45693/mimirons-head

    Goblin:
    https://www.wowhead.com/npc=131227/mogul-razdunk
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    Great it turned into another nuh-uh this class is better-threads with endless back and forth without nobody budging in. Can't wait for another 20 pages of this nonsense.
    I know this is a future speculation thread but this always bucks the live out of the thread, with 5 posters arguing endlessly.

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    New Hero Class, Titankiller. Three specs, Astrologian (Healer) Prismatic (Tank) Celestial Lancer (DPS)

    Boom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    Which is exactly how the Radiant Song is usually portrayed so far, so if they go with the Bard described in the survey, that's how I would expect it to look. We saw a lot of it in the pre-TWW event and Radiant Echoes, after all- it's consistently followed that color scheme.

    Edit: Also, about the "Radiant" name- I don't know if it's just a translation thing (since it's coming from a German survey that might have a different name for it), but the description doesn't actually call it that- it says "the Song of Azeroth". Given that the "Radiant Song" was a label that was used when nobody had any idea what the visions were, maybe they'll switch to a more accurate name for it as we learn more about what it really is, and "Song of Azeroth" is what we'll know it as by the time TLT is revealed?
    ok, let me chime in here:

    In the german client the radiant song is called the "strahlende gesang". "strahlend" is the word that can be back translated with radiance, glowing, bright, and "gesang" is a singing Song, so not instrumental music, but vocal. So, Song of Azeroth is not a back translation of the german radiant song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCMLXXXII View Post
    Great it turned into another nuh-uh this class is better-threads with endless back and forth without nobody budging in. Can't wait for another 20 pages of this nonsense.
    I know this is a future speculation thread but this always bucks the live out of the thread, with 5 posters arguing endlessly.
    i think the class discussion could be mostly go back into the class thread, but we have little other new speculation stuff going on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enteroctopus Magnificus View Post
    As someone who loves gnomes and goblins, one of my goals is to be able to play a class that matches them thematically. A titan-based tinker wouldn't meet this criterion.

    With a little effort, it would be possible to extend them to all races, with skins if need be.
    Realistcly goblins and gnomes likely just don’t have the fan base for blizzard to see them as worth basing a class theme on which is why they went with Titan tech in both versions of possessed tech classes.

    If they are going to do skins it will likely be that we will get goblin and gnome skins any one can use but the base kit will always be Titan based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    i think the class discussion could be mostly go back into the class thread, but we have little other new speculation stuff going on
    At least there should be more story soon with the patch this week. Orwenya's questline might be interesting, I expect some big reveals there to set up the rest of TWW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    They can be more varied than that, being a jack-of-all-trades that supports allies and revolves around music are the typical core traits, and the D&D examples you listed can be built to use ranged weapons too (I made a crossbow-wielding Bard for my first BG3 run), but melee is definitely a common take. A bard fighting with a rapier is pretty iconic (for that matter, maybe they could use a single one-hand weapon and an instrument for the offhand?)

    And I agree with the rest of your overall premise. We don't really have a solid Bard adventurer premise in WoW yet, but that survey option very clearly comes across as an attempt to create one and give us a very popular archetype, which works very well with the Saga's new lore. And they have a lot of freedom in how they can do it. I fully expect (based on the description) that, should they choose to follow that option, they'll create some good mechanics based around music and use the Azerite color scheme that the Radiant Echoes have. We may not know the specific mechanics yet, but they always need to create new ones anyway for any new class.

    Honestly, out of the survey, both Bard and the tech classes are extremely solid options, and given that they all fit TLT perfectly and have some of the most detailed descriptions, I expect we'll get one of those three. Hard to say which though- Tinkers are a very popular request within WoW's fanbase, while Bard is a very popular classic fantasy archetype.
    They could give us bard for Midnight since the Radiant Song is the big TWW thing so they could do it similiar to the initial allied races and say whatever happens in the last raid empowers some heroes of Azeroth to utilize the Song directly, leading into the pre-order bonus of early access bards (aswell as housing which is already confirmed to come earlier).

    Tinker than could be the new class for TLT. Ion already said Undermine will be important later on aswell, which imo clearly is the hint for them. We need an order hall for both tinkers and bards, and while tinkers could also chill in Mechagon I think we will see them parked in Undermine since it's newer. Bards on the other hand could get their base set up in the Rootlands or near the Core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Realistcly goblins and gnomes likely just don’t have the fan base for blizzard to see them as worth basing a class theme on which is why they went with Titan tech in both versions of possessed tech classes.

    If they are going to do skins it will likely be that we will get goblin and gnome skins any one can use but the base kit will always be Titan based.
    Focusing on Titan tech is not only excuse for non-gnome and non-goblin tinkers, but also reinforcing "hero" archtype of player.
    When you play WoW - you play Highlord of Silver Hand, Battlelord, Deathlord, Archmage, not some random guard in Ironforde #135225. So it make sence to player tinker to be somehow special, have some unique powers to define themselves and give them that awesome golden magic what Earthen and Keepers have.

    Also this new tinkers can be any race.
    Trolls? Sure, just seek titan tech from Zandalar.
    Draenei? No problem.
    Vulpera? Same.
    Orcs? Why not.
    Humans and Dwarves? Hell yeah.
    Elves? For sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancaris View Post
    Focusing on Titan tech is not only excuse for non-gnome and non-goblin tinkers, but also reinforcing "hero" archtype of player.
    When you play WoW - you play Highlord of Silver Hand, Battlelord, Deathlord, Archmage, not some random guard in Ironforde #135225. So it make sence to player tinker to be somehow special, have some unique powers to define themselves and give them that awesome golden magic what Earthen and Keepers have.

    Also this new tinkers can be any race.
    Trolls? Sure, just seek titan tech from Zandalar.
    Draenei? No problem.
    Vulpera? Same.
    Orcs? Why not.
    Humans and Dwarves? Hell yeah.
    Elves? For sure.
    I think people are getting too caught up with the idea of "Titan tech". Mimiron's technology is titan-tech and it looks exactly like Goblin and Gnome tech. It even uses the same type of weaponry you'd see G/G tech use. If we're getting a Titan-based tinker class, you're likely going to get a situation where the Tinker backpack from WC3 and HotS was an old device invented by Mimiron and repurposed by a Goblin or Gnome inventor.

    I mean that's pretty much exactly how the survey sets up the class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I also never stated that they won't do it. I stated that I'm skeptical that it's a full blown class. There's a difference. I've repeatedly stated that to me, it seems more likely that it's a hero talent tree. Hero talent trees are where stuff like this tends to pop up.
    Your completely lack of self-awareness is rather unsurprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Is it possible that some of these classes that sound like Hero Talents could actually be some form of class agonstic hero talents, either available to all of a single spec or all classes in general? Is this possibly laying some ground work for Titan empowerment to the classes? Pick your Titan, gain their power, etc? Not sure how well that'd go if so, it feels like a pre-Dragonflight design philosphy thing.
    I think rather than being fully class agnostic, they could be hero talents for multiple specs/classes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    They could give us bard for Midnight since the Radiant Song is the big TWW thing so they could do it similiar to the initial allied races and say whatever happens in the last raid empowers some heroes of Azeroth to utilize the Song directly, leading into the pre-order bonus of early access bards (aswell as housing which is already confirmed to come earlier).
    I don't think we will save the world soul in TWW, also no world core raid. As it is more likely that Xal somehow or partially succeeds, getting Midnight into motion. But that is my view.
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex wolf View Post
    I think rather than being fully class agnostic, they could be hero talents for multiple specs/classes
    What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

    Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
    Warden > Hunter
    Leyweaver >Monk
    Astrologian > Mage
    Gunslinger > Rogue
    Witch > Shaman
    Prismatic > Evoker
    Lancer> Warrior
    Necromancer > Death Knight
    etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

    Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
    Warden > Hunter
    Leyweaver >Monk
    Astrologian > Mage
    Gunslinger > Rogue
    Witch > Shaman
    Prismatic > Evoker
    Lancer> Warrior
    Necromancer > Death Knight
    etc.
    Yep, some options from survey are definatelly not classes, but specs or hero talents.
    Blizzard just want to collect data about which concepts are more desirable by players. Which is understandable after Evoker mixed reactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supertoster View Post
    Yep, some options from survey are definatelly not classes, but specs or hero talents.
    Blizzard just want to collect data about which concepts are more desirable by players. Which is understandable after Evoker mixed reactions.
    I really hope that isn’t the case. The issue (from a very loud minority) with Evokers wasn’t the concept, but the cosmetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

    Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
    Warden > Hunter
    Leyweaver >Monk
    Astrologian > Mage
    Gunslinger > Rogue
    Witch > Shaman
    Prismatic > Evoker
    Lancer> Warrior
    Necromancer > Death Knight
    etc.
    Spell Breaker for demon hunter would be a thematic catastrophe, no one would want that.

    Leyweaver would fit more with mage, and astrologian fit more with priest, necromancer with warlock, if they would fit any of the classes.

    Warden for hunter as a 4th spec, i could actually see that, as a pet-less alternative for a melee hunter, could even be a tank spec
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    Spell Breaker for demon hunter would be a thematic catastrophe, no one would want that.
    Demon Hunters in BT had spellbreaker abilities, and the concept has long had an anti-magic theme (Mana Burn, Mana Break), so it tracks thematically. It would make sense for Blood Elf demon hunters to integrate Spellbreaker into the DH class.

    Leyweaver would fit more with mage, and astrologian fit more with priest, necromancer with warlock, if they would fit any of the classes.
    I have a feeling that Blizzard is going to dip a little into Runemaster for the Monk class, since Runemasters in Warcraft have always had a monk leaning. Leylines are an integral part of the Runemaster concept. In addition, abilities like Jadefire Stomp definitely has the feel of a Leyline ability.

    Astrologian is definitely more Mage based, since Mages have abilities like Comet, Supernova, and Meteor. Also the Astromancers in Legion were definitely Mage-based.

    Necromancer is definitely DK. DK already has the abilities in place, and its the Scourge class. Warlocks are demonic, not undead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldryth View Post
    At least there should be more story soon with the patch this week. Orwenya's questline might be interesting, I expect some big reveals there to set up the rest of TWW.
    Yep I'm looking forward to Orwenya's quest the most in this patch, feels like a long time since we got some continuation of the main story. Hopefully there'll be more info on the 'giant crystal' too, I don't see how it can just be calcified azerite when its so clearly Naru related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Demon Hunters in BT had spellbreaker abilities, and the concept has long had an anti-magic theme (Mana Burn, Mana Break), so it tracks thematically. It would make sense for Blood Elf demon hunters to integrate Spellbreaker into the DH class.
    Demon Hunters don't have armor that matches spell breakerr and can't use shields. Thus they are not spell breakers, even if they have anti magic abilities



    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I have a feeling that Blizzard is going to dip a little into Runemaster for the Monk class, since Runemasters in Warcraft have always had a monk leaning. Leylines are an integral part of the Runemaster concept. In addition, abilities like Jadefire Stomp definitely has the feel of a Leyline ability.

    Astrologian is definitely more Mage based, since Mages have abilities like Comet, Supernova, and Meteor. Also the Astromancers in Legion were definitely Mage-based.

    Necromancer is definitely DK. DK already has the abilities in place, and its the Scourge class. Warlocks are demonic, not undead.
    Monks and runemasters have no overlap, only in that they are using fists to fight. Runemasters are arcane magic users, while monks are using spirit. And the way leyweaver reads, it would be a support spec for mages, which would be great.

    Astrologian is in between void priests and mage, and would rather be its own class, than a spec, same for necromancer. They have themes of other classes, but they don't fit the identity of them. Necromancers are not death knights, its just that unholy death knights have some necromancy
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    If we somehow do get a void Hunter class, I’ll be the first one to post in this thread to admit my error.
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