The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

It is likely the same place. Avoleren has allusions to Avalon and the Arathi empire could be an allusion to the Arthurian Legends, also the fact that one of the Scarlet Enclaves was called New Avalon, which could be inspired by Avaloren, like Tirisfal was from Tyr's Fall.

It is also possbile that the land of the Arathi is multiple islands. One of them might be Avaloren another the actual arathi empire.

[Auxis]

You might not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like:

Bothered, thoroughly de-moisturized, in everyone's lane.

[Lahis]

It's interesting to consider that Avaloren and the Arathi Empire can't be one and the same, since Odyn received his report way back when he was the Prime Designate.

The Arathi Empire, meanwhile, can't be more than a couple of thousand years old.

What the heck is Avaloren.

Clearly, both places were surrounded by storms.

Is it the same location, only in different eras?

Avaloren is a continent.

Arathi Empire is a nation that exists on a continent, possibly Avaloren.

[Lady Atia]

Avaloren is a continent.

Arathi Empire is a nation that exists on a continent, possibly Avaloren.

I mean, they also namedrop "Titan's Isle" so that may be Avaloren instead, if Avaloren is still held by "traitor titanforged / hereteks".

[Sondrelk]

It's interesting to consider that Avaloren and the Arathi Empire can't be one and the same, since Odyn received his report way back when he was the Prime Designate.

The Arathi Empire, meanwhile, can't be more than a couple of thousand years old.

What the heck is Avaloren.

Clearly, both places were surrounded by storms.

Is it the same location, only in different eras?

Why not? Humans are descended from Vrykul, who were all Titanforged before going into stasis.
There could easily be legends of somewhere called Avaloren within the early human tribes, which the original Arathi settlers left the Eastern Kingdoms to go find.

[Lady Atia]

Also, thinking about the next saga, they could easily sandwich in the Eastern Kingdom revamp if we have two potential landmasses there.

Titan's Isle (or Avaloren if that's what it's actual name is) > Eastern Kingdoms (this is where the plottwist comes in that the Arathi Empire isn't actually all that friendly to us, with them sending an expedition to reclaim EK) > Arathi Empire (or Avaloren if that's what it's actual name is)

Weirdly enough, Kalimdor has 0 new seeds besides the Botani if we deal with the Sword in TLT. Maybe the removal of the sword creates a mini Cataclysm just for Kalimdor, basically shattering it's southern tip into smaller isles, but still, we don't really have any big enemy hook there unless someone on the life pantheon decides to invade just Kalimdor for reasons?

[huth]

So far, we have these references to a place beyond the storming sea, IIRC:

> Wherever Erinethria flew during the height of the Dragon Isles, and settled to create a new brood of her own.

We also know the Arathi have somewhat different ideas about what dragons are like. So it is likely she settled in the same place as the Arathi.

> Wherever sailors have gone over the years, only to never return (west from Kalimdor and east from the EK).

That'd likely be the seafloor. It's not called the storming sea for fun.

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I'm waiting for the inevitable "we bring the BOOM!" memes to enter the game. Personally I can't stand that family's content but I recognize how popular and viral they are right now.

Where do you think these references will pop up in-game? Will we see a goblin try to blow up a wall in the Undermine while saying the line?

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I still think the Stormdrakes are involved somehow. Odyn, storms, Elunarian drakes, etc. It all connects. xD

One theory I saw on a WoW lore Discord I'm a part of mentioned Odyn using the storm dragons to create the storms over the "Storming Seas" in order to block off that portion of Azeroth. I made a post about it some days ago.

[Lahis]

We also know the Arathi have somewhat different ideas about what dragons are like. So it is likely she settled in the same place as the Arathi.

If all of the dragons on that continent are green dragons, they will have very particular relationship with nature that might clash with Arathi Empire's views about natural resources which would result in not so friendly relationship between them and the mortals. Or all the dragons there could be Nightmare corrupted or something.

Either one would explain Faerin's surprised reaction to the fact that people can be friends with Dragons.

[Alanar]

Was about to say the same but than I thought it would be best to just ignore the weird Dracthyr haters as I thought we would be over that by this point haha.

Any one who dissagrees is weird now hu?
You keep making classic comments on this forum.

[milkmustache]

I'm waiting for the inevitable "we bring the BOOM!" memes to enter the game. Personally I can't stand that family's content but I recognize how popular and viral they are right now.

Where do you think these references will pop up in-game? Will we see a goblin try to blow up a wall in the Undermine while saying the line?

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One theory I saw on a WoW lore Discord I'm a part of mentioned Odyn using the storm dragons to create the storms over the "Storming Seas" in order to block off that portion of Azeroth. I made a post about it some days ago.

I'll allow all opinions on AJ and Big Justice, but if we get towards Rizzler slander? I won't stand for that. This is the newest piece of lore the New York metropolitan area has had since the Sopranos.

I agree that Odyn and the storm drakes probably had a hand in the separation of the storming see. I also think that the Arathi are taking a bit of a newer shape since the name dropping of Avaloren, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a retcon on what that is. But that being said, I imagine that the Arathi may have their own version of Titan ruins on Avaloren, just heretical in whatever way.

Still unsure about the heretics. I know we originally imagined them as Void aligned, but I'm not so sure. Maybe just opposed to the Titans without any particular demagogue to stick to? Just watchers and constructs that said "Hey, let this land develop on it's own"?

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Still unsure about the heretics. I know we originally imagined them as Void aligned, but I'm not so sure. Maybe just opposed to the Titans without any particular demagogue to stick to? Just watchers and constructs that said "Hey, let this land develop on it's own"?

I am under the belief that, at least in Odyn's case, he would label anything and anyone a heretic who would either openly speak out against the way of the titans, or try and practice a religion/way of living/life style that is so polar opposite of Order.

He concept of the "thraegar" interest me in that regard: former Order-bound beings that gained awareness and broke off from the edicts of the titans, maybe even attempting to spirit away from Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms to get away from it all. Perhaps a sect of thraegar are the heretics in question.

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Or, perhaps, the Arathi somehow fit into this equation as the heretics in question... just unsure how at the moment.

Maybe they don't at all. /shrug

[milkmustache]

I am under the belief that, at least in Odyn's case, he would label anything and anyone a heretic who would either openly speak out against the way of the titans, or try and practice a religion/way of living/life style that is so polar opposite of Order.

He concept of the "thraegar" interest me in that regard: former Order-bound beings that gained awareness and broke off from the edicts of the titans, maybe even attempting to spirit away from Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdoms to get away from it all. Perhaps a sect of thraegar are the heretics in question.

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Or, perhaps, the Arathi somehow fit into this equation as the heretics in question... just unsure how at the moment.

Maybe they don't at all. /shrug

I agree re; Odyn. He seems very spiteful. I think our clash with him is inevitable, especially considering what revelations may come in TLT.

While there's a lot to speculate, I don't mind it being a blank slate. I had never been open to the idea of "the other side of Azeroth" type of lore, but the way in which they've built it is great. I'm a huge fan of the Arathi, and I think they're just setting themselves up to really sell it after The Worldsoul Saga.

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Random thought: what if we encounter a renegade/rogue titan watcher that got the Curse of Flesh?

I am once again sharing random speculation and thoughts from the group I'm apart of that discusses the lore, and I find this one particularly interesting. We've seen what happens to the titanforged who became the mortal races... but we actually have never seen a titan watcher become flesh and bone.

The Keepers are all accounted for; either dead or still active. We have the kind of watchers we've seen in the Dragon Isles (the "Stoney Tony" kind of watchers) and even the ones from Zandalar (M.O.T.H.E.R and even Hezrel) and the miscellaneous ones from all over the world. It goes without saying that these specific titanforged are generally the more powerful ones and/or have more significance compared to lesser titanforged.

What if one of them got the ole' fleshy deshy from Yogg-Saron?

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I suppose one could argue that, given it was only the titanforged created in the forges of Ulduar that succumbed to the curse, these specific titanforged are different from the keepers/watchers in some way.

[Limayria]

Random thought: what if we encounter a renegade/rogue titan watcher that got the Curse of Flesh?

I am once again sharing random speculation and thoughts from the group I'm apart of that discusses the lore, and I find this one particularly interesting. We've seen what happens to the titanforged who became the mortal races... but we actually have never seen a titan watcher become flesh and bone.

The Keepers are all accounted for; either dead or still active. We have the kind of watchers we've seen in the Dragon Isles (the "Stoney Tony" kind of watchers) and even the ones from Zandalar (M.O.T.H.E.R and even Hezrel) and the miscellaneous ones from all over the world. It goes without saying that these specific titanforged are generally the more powerful ones and/or have more significance compared to lesser titanforged.

What if one of them got the ole' fleshy deshy from Yogg-Saron?

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I suppose one could argue that, given it was only the titanforged created in the forges of Ulduar that succumbed to the curse, these specific titanforged are different from the keepers/watchers in some way.

a fleshy keeper could be cool, maybe they are the leader of the heretics?

[Lady Atia]

No worries, even with new input people will still continue to talk about the First Ones, the meaning of the word "conjuring" or Sex with Dragons. We literally have new builds every week and no one talks about them because a few persons keep doing their private discussions here.

In other news, I'm wondering when we will see the skywitches broom and the twilight broom. They were both marked for the store iirc and usually these promotions are in sync with the trading post releasing. There was also a robo dog promotion in the data, so that's another potential store release although I think we may get that with the Undermine patch (maybe as a twitch drop?).

And than there is the question about the fate of any of the china promotional stuff. Atleast we got two recolours of the teleport panda this month via trading post. It would be good to know if the new netease contract just allows them to do their own promotions, or if it also forbids real retail to use these items aswell.

Good timing from me, as they just released the broom bundle with some juicy trading tendies aswell.

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No worries, even with new input people will still continue to talk about the First Ones, the meaning of the word "conjuring" or Sex with Dragons. We literally have new builds every week and no one talks about them because a few persons keep doing their private discussions here.

You are more then able to carry on conversations with other posters who are not actively discussing these aforementioned tangents. This forum is not 1-on-1 functionality exclusive. It's quite easy actually.

[Cheezits]

It would be cool if we met a race of curse-of-flesh Watchers that are still giant/half-giant but keep the Greek theming instead of Vrykul vikings. I know they tried greek vibes with the Highborne back in Vanilla but I feel like it hasn't been followed up on, and Ogres are Roman.

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Every single delve update is fantastic. Easily my favorite gamemode they've added since vanilla.

I only hope for more outdoor delves in future expansions.

[Joshuaj]

Oh my god, that new bounce back thing for the Car is so fucking good man...

The Car is perfect!

[Cheezits]

Looks like the Undermine music files are up but not yet in the zone?