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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Did you miss the part where I said they had Spellbreaker abilities, and have a history of using anti-magic abilities?
    Literally every single class has anti-magic abilities. That doesn't make every class a Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Literally every single class has anti-magic abilities. That doesn't make every class a Spellbreaker.
    Rogue has kick & cloak of shadows so they’re a spellbreaker obviously.

    Dks have Anti-magic shell/zone & rune of spellwarding so they’re clearly spellbreakers obviously.

    If that’s the bar for writing off classes does that mean Tinker isn’t valid since Hunter has technological pets & abilities? Not to mention engineering.
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    People troll all the time. I can say I got the survey but it doesn’t mean it is true.

    I’d maybe believe it more if there were actual screenshots… like all the previous surveys.
    Maybe, but maybe they're not trolling? The community at large seems to believe this survey is real, and there's quite a few reasons to believe its real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Rogue has kick & cloak of shadows so they’re a spellbreaker obviously.

    Dks have Anti-magic shell/zone & rune of spellwarding so they’re clearly spellbreakers obviously.

    If that’s the bar for writing off classes does that mean Tinker isn’t valid since Hunter has technological pets & abilities? Not to mention engineering.
    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker. It was an ability they shared with, wait for it.... Spellbreakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Maybe, but maybe they're not trolling? The community at large seems to believe this survey is real, and there's quite a few reasons to believe its real.
    There’s not “quite a few reasons” to believe it’s real.
    When there’s actual screenshots, which there have been for every previous survey, then it might be real.

    Makes you wonder why wowhead hasn’t posted about it, when they post almost everything. (Like the augmentation speculation and actually credible leaks)
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    I also really don't see a problem with an "elf" class. There actually isn't a blood elf class in the game and they are by far the most popular race. They did get a Hero Talent for mage which is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I also really don't see a problem with an "elf" class. There actually isn't a blood elf class in the game and they are by far the most popular race. They did get a Hero Talent for mage which is nice.
    The problem with an elf class is that we already have an elf class. I don't believe the userbase is keen on the idea of introducing yet another glaive-using melee elf class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The problem with an elf class is that we already have an elf class. I don't believe the userbase is keen on the idea of introducing yet another glaive-using melee elf class.
    Demon hunter is a night elf class that blood elves are allowed to be for faction balance. Demon hunter has no history with Quel'thalas.

    You're basically writing off the most popular race getting a themed class because the 2nd most popular race got a themed class.

    And just to be clear, I'm not saying the class needs to be blood elf exclusive, just have themes and history actually trying it to them. I think whatever the next class is should be available to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.
    Wrong.
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Demon hunter is a night elf class that blood elves are allowed to be for faction balance. Demon hunter has no history with Quel'thalas.

    You're basically writing off the most popular race getting a themed class because the 2nd most popular race got a themed class.

    And just to be clear, I'm not saying the class needs to be blood elf exclusive, just have themes and history actually trying it to them. I think whatever the next class is should be available to everyone.
    Everything really shouldn’t be catered to the most popular race though. Those people are already playing your game, and likely satisfied with their current class. Those people migrating over to yet another class that appeals to them doesn’t really help your numbers.

    You sort of want to appeal to people currently not playing your game, and not satisfied with the current class offerings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Wrong.
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    https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=2118...iate#abilities

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    So, this is the "Spellbreaker" skill that's been coming up:

    https://www.wowhead.com/spell=36073/...er#used-by-npc

    It is true that there is a generic Demon Hunter Initiate mob that has it, plus one DH quest mob from Cata. But a lot more Blood Elf Paladins and Warriors have it too. It's pretty much a generic ability tossed on to a whole bunch of Blood Elves in Outland's open world. Certainly not specific to Demon Hunters- way more Paladins and Warriors had it than DHs.

    If Spellbreaker were to be mixed in to an existing class, I think Warrior feels like the best fit. But I'd be all for getting it as a full class if they can come up with three specs for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    What do Spellbreakers have to do with demon hunters?
    People seem to be weirdly fixated on cramming pretty much anything they can into DH to fill that missing spec.

    I'm all for giving them a third spec, but most of these connections are a massive stretch. Better to just give them another spec that actually follows their demonic theme, like a Fel archer like Ace Hunter Kreen from Hearthstone. A lot of HS's additions are pretty silly, but that one seems like a solid idea for a ranged DH spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Demon hunter is a night elf class that blood elves are allowed to be for faction balance. Demon hunter has no history with Quel'thalas.

    You're basically writing off the most popular race getting a themed class because the 2nd most popular race got a themed class.

    And just to be clear, I'm not saying the class needs to be blood elf exclusive, just have themes and history actually trying it to them. I think whatever the next class is should be available to everyone.
    While there were some Belf DHs in TBC, yeah it was mostly a nelf class historically and through Illidan. Spellbreaker may be the reverse kind of thing where it's famously Belf and is extended to Velf/Helf, Nelf and Nightborne.

    Of all those classes mentioned it is the one that fits Midnight the most as, in Warcraft, it is an elf class (marketed as an elf expansion) that is tied primarily to the elves of Quel'thalas (expansion region).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Everything really shouldn’t be catered to the most popular race though. Those people are already playing your game, and likely satisfied with their current class. Those people migrating over to yet another class that appeals to them doesn’t really help your numbers.

    You sort of want to appeal to people currently not playing your game, and not satisfied with the current class offerings.
    I don't think anyone who has never played the game is going to say "Hey they added x, now I will play." I don't think someone who only likes 1 class on the entire roster is likely to be a long term player anyway so doesn't really make sense to aim for them. New classes can bring back previous players and prevent current players from quitting by giving them something new to play with so playing into what has historically been the most popular race makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    While there were some Belf DHs in TBC, yeah it was mostly a nelf class historically and through Illidan. Spellbreaker may be the reverse kind of thing where it's famously Belf and is extended to Velf/Helf, Nelf and Nightborne.

    Of all those classes mentioned it is the one that fits Midnight the most as, in Warcraft, it is an elf class (marketed as an elf expansion) that is tied primarily to the elves of Quel'thalas (expansion region).
    It's something that can be taught to everyone. Void elves should still know how to do it to teach Alliance. During the troll wars the elves taught humans magic in exchange for help, could be a call back to that of the elves teaching their allies how to be Spellbreakers in exchange for help. The void is also a big magic-y enemy, so it's the perfect target for Spellbreakers.

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    One random no-name NPC doesn’t mean “demon hunters had an ability named spellbreaking”

    Your point would’ve been more valid if you said Paladins were spellbreakers because they’ve actually got an ability named spellbreaker.

    (Which according to your logic means Paladins are Demon Hunters lmao)
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    It's something that can be taught to everyone. Void elves should still know how to do it to teach Alliance. During the troll wars the elves taught humans magic in exchange for help, could be a call back to that of the elves teaching their allies how to be Spellbreakers in exchange for help. The void is also a big magic-y enemy, so it's the perfect target for Spellbreakers.
    Good point. If there's a Helf/Belf theme like I expect (to the point that Helf is made into an official race option somehow) then I can see it being a non-hero class that is accessible to all races.

    Also maybe a void spec and that's the "void paladin" option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Demon hunter is a night elf class that blood elves are allowed to be for faction balance. Demon hunter has no history with Quel'thalas.

    You're basically writing off the most popular race getting a themed class because the 2nd most popular race got a themed class.

    And just to be clear, I'm not saying the class needs to be blood elf exclusive, just have themes and history actually trying it to them. I think whatever the next class is should be available to everyone.
    Tbh though if they did want to restrict the spellbreaker class it could be Blood Elves, Void Elves, and Nightborne. Just so both factions could have them.
    (Maybe put Night Elves in there for Highborne if there’s lore for it)
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    Uh Demon Hunters literally had an ability called Spellbreaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Good point. If there's a Helf/Belf theme like I expect (to the point that Helf is made into an official race option somehow) then I can see it being a non-hero class that is accessible to all races.

    Also maybe a void spec and that's the "void paladin" option?
    They can probably add battlemage in there as well. Get an anti-magic tank spec, an arcane using melee dps, and a void something or other. Representing blood, high, and void elves respectively. How's that for elf tribes reuniting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    I don't think anyone who has never played the game is going to say "Hey they added x, now I will play." I don't think someone who only likes 1 class on the entire roster is likely to be a long term player anyway so doesn't really make sense to aim for them.
    Well that's false. Plenty of people were waiting for Demon Hunter and are playing currently because that class is available. I'm mainly playing currently because of the Evoker class because I highly enjoy dragon lore and the aspects. If not for that class, I probably wouldn't be actively playing WoW right now. Not everyone in WoW is an altaholic.

    New classes can bring back previous players and prevent current players from quitting by giving them something new to play with so playing into what has historically been the most popular race makes sense.
    But if those people aren't playing then why are we factoring in what's the most popular race currently? Obviously that race isn't enough to make them interested in the game. Wouldn't it be smarter to make your class lineup as varied and diverse as possible to appeal to a wider variety of players?

    For example, not everyone is interested in magical elves. As multiple polls have shown, quite a few people are more interested in a technological class, since we currently don't have one in the class lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    One random no-name NPC doesn’t mean “demon hunters had an ability named spellbreaking”
    Is that one random no-name NPC called a Demon Hunter? Does that one random no-name NPC have an ability called Spellbreaker?

    If the answer to both those questions are yes, what are you still arguing about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Tbh though if they did want to restrict the spellbreaker class it could be Blood Elves, Void Elves, and Nightborne. Just so both factions could have them.
    (Maybe put Night Elves in there for Highborne if there’s lore for it)
    Again, are we seriously to believe that Blizzard is going to make yet another melee elven class possibly restricted to two specs after Demon Hunters? Wouldn't the smarter play be to combine this elven concept with the Demon Hunter class and leave the new class slot open to something actually different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Well that's false. Plenty of people were waiting for Demon Hunter and are playing currently because that class is available. I'm mainly playing currently because of the Evoker class because I highly enjoy dragon lore and the aspects. If not for that class, I probably wouldn't be actively playing WoW right now. Not everyone in WoW is an altaholic.



    But if those people aren't playing then why are we factoring in what's the most popular race currently? Obviously that race isn't enough to make them interested in the game. Wouldn't it be smarter to make your class lineup as varied and diverse as possible to appeal to a wider variety of players?

    For example, not everyone is interested in magical elves. As multiple polls have shown, quite a few people are more interested in a technological class, since we currently don't have one in the class lineup.

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    Is that one random no-name NPC called a Demon Hunter? Does that one random no-name NPC have an ability called Spellbreaker?

    If the answer to both those questions are yes, what are you still arguing about?
    They added a super high tech race and basically no one plays it. I don't think tech is a massive selling point for people. And I really doubt it would draw in people who have never played the game before. It'd be another Evoker where very few people are interested in playing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Again, are we seriously to believe that Blizzard is going to make yet another melee elven class possibly restricted to two specs after Demon Hunters? Wouldn't the smarter play be to combine this elven concept with the Demon Hunter class and leave the new class slot open to something actually different?
    What class fits Midnight more than Spellbreaker? I'd argue it fits more than an All-Void class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    What class fits Midnight more than Spellbreaker? I'd argue it fits more than an All-Void class.
    Frankly nothing. Which is why it's likely to get bypassed for TLT while Midnight is reserved for housing and character customizations. I think Demon Hunter really made it difficult for Blizzard to create another elf-centric class.

    However with that said, adding Spellbreaker to the DH class would make the class a lot better and more interesting. I don't believe Spellbreaker on its own has enough material to be its own class, but it would make an excellent DH support spec.

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