The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

Also, what about the M+ surveys, are they fake too?

[Wyrt]

yes. This text has phrases no english speaking person would translate the survey into german, unless they are german themselves or are hired by a german translation Company. In this case, using the phrase "Probieren geht über Studieren", is a very very german one. You can try to google a translation for that, but the closest meaning would be "learning by doing", but common translation tools either don't get the meaning and try to translate word by word, or use something like "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", which would be way of for this one.

And i add the fact that the survey has in more generic parts, words wrong too. Like it uses customer support as a translation for where it obviously means support, as a class role, or that tinker is in the header for the bard and prismatic deep dive pages.

If i combine that, the errors in the generic pages, but the culturally correct translations in the other parts, the perfectly semantic correct class describtion, this doesn't add up as a troll to me. If it is a troll, it has to be a german one that is very good, and that sends emails to people, like the people from pyromancers chat, which are in english instead of german?

Yeah, that doesn't add up to be a troll

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

[Enrif]

>Survey mislabels headers for bard/prismatic class.
>Very obvious mistranslations
>No official blizzard markings
“If it is a troll it is very good”
??

Hell even the image from the “survey” isn’t even using art from Warcraft. (Is that Brigette art even official blizzard art or just fan art? There’s not even a blizzard watermark on the original like there usually is)

You don't get it. There are "obvious mistranslations" in the generic parts of the survey. These are likely just auto translated. But the class specific translation, plus the parts that are likely in many german survey, have perfect translations? Yeah, that adds up as genuine.

[Nibelheimy]

While they have done that in the past, interviews about Augmentation's reveal suggest that they see such changes as a mistake they don't want to repeat, since it requires removing specs that people like. So I can't really see Dark Ranger being taken away, especially since Midnight would have been planned before Dark Ranger made it to release. And it does have her iconic stuff already.

Maybe they could use her more obscure stuff though, like when she fought Saurfang in melee with her dual swords? Actually, for that matter... all of these styles could have both melee and ranged aspects, can't they? Alleria was attacking in melee a lot in that animation she got around TWW's release, and there are Spellblades out there in addition to Spellbows. Maybe they could base a class like this around jumping between melee and ranged at different parts of their rotation? They could bring back the old ranged slot just for them too, and use a bow and two one-handers.

I'd agree fully if not for the fact that Dark Ranger is a hero talent, not a spec. They are not the same level of thing. Hero talents can and will be changed and may not even exist after this Saga. Abilities and features are pruned all the time. Most of the covenant spells? Gone. Some covenant spells did more for the class and rotation that some of the worse hero talents, and they are gone.

If Blizzard wanted to make a second ranged class for Midnight (which they may) and base it off of famous rangers who originate in the city we're re-visiting. They would and should have no issue removing the dark ranger hero talent from hunters, which was already an unusual lore decision anyway and a lot of players have voiced discontent with it, and move it into a new more suited ranger class. Classes evolve. Compare Shadowlands Blood DK and TWW Blood DK. They feel totally and tonally different. Why do I have a G'huun themed bloodbeast and no red eyes? Dunno. My vampire mist was cool though.

WoW isn't the game it was twenty years ago and Blizzard should feel more able to change things up as they want (and they will with the new saga) If they didn't get rid of Metamorphasis, we wouldn't have Demonology. The Demonology playstyle is loved by a lot of players.

[Enrif]

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

don't ask me why no english speaking people have leaked it yet. Perhaps they take the "this is confidential, don't share" thing seriously?

[Nightshade711]

Also, what about the M+ surveys, are they fake too?

I wonder why the M+ survey looks completely different from the “class survey”… especially if they supposedly came out around the same time.

[Wyrt]

don't ask me why no english speaking people have leaked it yet. Perhaps they take the "this is confidential, don't share" thing seriously?

The obvious answer is there was no survey to leak.

[Nightshade711]

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

You see blizzard is getting their survey translated to German, but then retranslated to English to send it out to the English users.
Who are able to tell us about it but never took a single screenshot of the survey.

[Enrif]

The obvious answer is there was no survey to leak.

Well, we don't know. I tried to look up a source from chromie.de, but they just state that the screenshots were send to them.

then i went to the youtube link for that article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNQwjpuXFw&t=9s

and i scrolled a bit through the comments.

And a user there said they had also a survey, but about housing.

Well, if this is true, there are multiple survey around. A class one, a housing one, a M+ one, maybe more. So the chances that a class survey is leaked, might be slim, if it doesn't went to people who are prone to sharing that.

[Nightshade711]

Well, we don't know. I tried to look up a source from chromie.de, but they just state that the screenshots were send to them.

The chromie.de screenshots don’t even follow the typical style for blizzard surveys.
Low effort troll is low effort, and you are incredibly gullible.

[Enrif]

The chromie.de screenshots don’t even follow the typical style for blizzard surveys.
Low effort troll is low effort, and you are incredibly gullible.

well, you can be skeptical. i can try to reach out to chromie.de and see what they have to say

[Nightshade711]

Here’s another example from past surveys.

[Enrif]

Here’s another example from past surveys.

do you have a german one?

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well, something interesting, i googled a bit around, and found this


A eu forum thread that asks about the validity of the survey in german, from 4 days ago

but if i click the link

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wo...klassen/293806

the thread is gone, and i don't find any thread about the class survey in german. If it would be fake, why would blizzard remove such a thread?

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Interestingly, the US forum post about the same thing is still live
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...sses/2027597/3

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oh, some interesting post of a user from the us thread:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ses/2027597/57

I can’t say much…but don’t be so sure it’s fake. Keep in mind these are just ideas being spun, not developed classes (yet).

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ses/2027597/59

Again, don’t be sure it’s not real if you haven’t personally taken the survey. I will just say it didn’t just go to Germany.

[Nightshade711]

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Still a lot of “source: trust me bro” and zero actual evidence.
If so many people are getting the survey there should be at least one screenshot with the actual blizzard format.

[Enrif]

Still a lot of “source: trust me bro” and zero actual evidence.
If so many people are getting the survey there should be at least one screenshot with the actual blizzard format.

well, another user on the us forum
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/101

Yah…we all got the survey.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/102

I assumed everyone got the survey but no it’s very real. I filled it out yesterday and am personally hoping for the tinker class.

this makes it at least two different people in the US and the german source, and at least some people from pyromancers streams chat. Some of that could be same, sure, but i would err on that it's real.

[Nightshade711]

well, another user on the us forum
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/101

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/102


this makes it at least two different people in the US and the german source, and at least some people from pyromancers streams chat. Some of that could be same, sure, but i would err on that it's real.

Still waiting on those screenshots.
Anybody can say “Omg I got the survey!”

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, also thinking this is a troll, and a low effort one at that.

[Mecheon]

What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
Warden > Hunter
Leyweaver >Monk
Astrologian > Mage
Gunslinger > Rogue
Witch > Shaman
Prismatic > Evoker
Lancer> Warrior
Necromancer > Death Knight

etc.

Nah? They're all classes. Plus like, none of those fit. Like even the close ones in like, Witch, are more like druid than they are shaman.

Moreso from the back end they're seeing what people want from the class feel. Note a lot of the shorter stuff is stuff like Warden, Necromancer or Spellbreaker with the WC3 history. Its pretty clear they're comparing stuff like "Longer description classes noting how they fit into the Warcraft Universe" with stuff like Titanslayer or Leyweaver, flat out Warcraft 3 units with unique stuff in Warden and Spellbreaker, and standard concepts in the gun pair. Note also quite a few of them are two flavours of the same idea, like Artificer and Tinker being the same concept but expressed in different ways.

What would this class do though? Raise undead minions? Use shadow magic? Spread diseases?

Irrelevant as far as the survey is concerned. The question is "Would you like this class" per the information provided. That nitty gritty doesn't matter

They don’t need cloth though. Plenty of plate armor sets are robes.

Yeah nah DK is not filling the necromancer gap and would not if unholy was ranged. Necromancers don't clank around in plate, they're clothies.

Same with the spellbreaker idea, plate clad warriors wielding shields do not a third DH spec make

[Wyrt]

I don't know why people think Blizzard would add 4th specs. Not only is it a massive undertaking to add 12 new specs, but it would be a clusterfuck with hero talents. They'd either need to add 1 new hero talent set and rearrange the existing ones so each spec has 2 hero talents, or add enough hero talents for each spec to have 3.


The only times new specs have been added are when an existing spec was performing 2 different roles(druid) or when the class was shipped incomplete(evoker).

[Enrif]

I don't know why people think Blizzard would add 4th specs. Not only is it a massive undertaking to add 12 new specs, but it would be a clusterfuck with hero talents. They'd either need to add 1 new hero talent set and rearrange the existing ones so each spec has 2 hero talents, or add enough hero talents for each spec to have 3.


The only times new specs have been added are when an existing spec was performing 2 different roles(druid) or when the class was shipped incomplete(evoker).

Hero talents are indeed a break on the 4th spec idea. Well, unless we find a hero talent that doesn't make much sense for a spec, but would fit nicely with one of these new ones.

I can't think of an obvious one. Perhaps gunslinger for rogue that put trickster on gunslinger instead of outlaw and a new gunbased hero talent (gunner?) between outlaw and gunslinger.