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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    So, they're goblins. I have some bad news for you regarding upcoming content.
    I have to say, I don't know how Blizz does it, but WoW Goblins are very well liked in a world where people think greedy goblins are controversial. They even have nyc/jersey accents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    So, they're goblins. I have some bad news for you regarding upcoming content.
    I love goblins though. They are cleverly crafted and executed. Brokers are lame creations from a lame expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    I love goblins though. They are cleverly crafted and executed. Brokers are lame creations from a lame expansion.
    On the flip side of that coin, the brokers served their purpose flawlessly if looking at the Shadowlands as a realm were things live, no different than any other continent/zone/city of Azeroth, instead of their role as the afterlife of the WoW universe.

    Seeing it through that lens instead sees the brokers function exactly as they needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I have to say, I don't know how Blizz does it, but WoW Goblins are very well liked in a world where people think greedy goblins are controversial. They even have nyc/jersey accents.
    Just waiting to see the cartels of Undermine function like the mafia families of NY/NJ.

    Looking forward to crime family inspired world quests: contract killings, extortion, enforcing, collecting protection money... eating gabagool at the local sandwich shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    I love goblins though. They are cleverly crafted and executed. Brokers are lame creations from a lame expansion.
    Lame creations? Dawg they're artifact seekers, deal makers, travelers, etc with some cool asf gimmicks, magics, hubs (Like Tazavesh), and knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I have to say, I don't know how Blizz does it, but WoW Goblins are very well liked in a world where people think greedy goblins are controversial. They even have nyc/jersey accents.
    Because Blizzard actually took the time to establish them as more than just Jewish stereotypes or a race that's similar to the Orcs but far more dirty, less cool, and less massive.

    That's one of the many reasons for why WoW Goblins work compared to, let's say, Harry Potter Goblins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Lame creations? Dawg they're artifact seekers, deal makers, travelers, etc with some cool asf gimmicks, magics, hubs (Like Tazavesh), and knowledge.
    Hard to believe, but people can have opinions on fictional creations that are different or opposite from yours. All of these points you listed that are supposed to be interesting to you can be lame for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Lame creations? Dawg they're artifact seekers, deal makers, travelers, etc with some cool asf gimmicks, magics, hubs (Like Tazavesh), and knowledge.

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    Because Blizzard actually took the time to establish them as more than just Jewish stereotypes or a race that's similar to the Orcs but far more dirty, less cool, and less massive.

    That's one of the many reasons for why WoW Goblins work compared to, let's say, Harry Potter Goblins.
    You don't take issue with money-hungry cartel operating Brokers all talking like "thank you come again" Apu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Hard to believe, but people can have opinions on fictional creations that are different or opposite from yours. All of these points you listed that are supposed to be interesting to you can be lame for others.
    Can you not? You're always taking this weird approach towards shitting on me one way or the other. I disagree with their opinions and I'm expressing my own.

    Step off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Can you not? You're always taking this weird approach towards shitting on me one way or the other. I disagree with their opinions and I'm expressing my own.

    Step off.
    You're overly defensive and unnecessary aggression is noted. And it's unnecessary.

    It's quite ironic that you jump to the "expressing my own opinion" defense when I was pointing out that somebody was expressing their own opinion that was clearly different from yours. The difference is that you are attempting to invalidate theirs with points that are relevant to you only. That's all.

    Please, for your sake, grow thicker skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Just waiting to see the cartels of Undermine function like the mafia families of NY/NJ.

    Looking forward to crime family inspired world quests: contract killings, extortion, enforcing, collecting protection money... eating gabagool at the local sandwich shop.

    "Yo T, whaddaya think dat fookin' crystal in da roof of Hallowfall is all about, eh?"

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    If my profile picture doesn't already give it away, I'd love this. I do imagine there'll be a few mob tongue in cheek world quests at least, like a no-show job work site world quest.

    Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    If my profile picture doesn't already give it away, I'd love this. I do imagine there'll be a few mob tongue in cheek world quests at least, like a no-show job work site world quest.

    Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.
    Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

    I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

    Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    You don't take issue with money-hungry cartel operating Brokers all talking like "thank you come again" Apu?
    They have a broken English accent. I've seen a lot of Indian folks and Muslims IRL have a somewhat similar accent. That doesn't make them like a stereotype character at all.

    Also, money-hungry cartels like that exist IRL as well, albeit not on a cosmic level obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    You're overly defensive and unnecessary aggression is noted. And it's unnecessary.

    It's quite ironic that you jump to the "expressing my own opinion" defense when I was pointing out that somebody was expressing their own opinion that was clearly different from yours. The difference is that you are attempting to invalidate theirs with points that are relevant to you only. That's all.

    Please, for your sake, grow thicker skin.
    Please don't talk thicker skin when you literally can't handle my disagreements on other peoples opinions.

    Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.

    Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

    I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

    Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.
    Undermine having a ton of The Sopranos references would be peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOUNTERPARTS View Post
    Yeah I had a feeling you'd respond to it, hehe.

    I've been waiting for some direct The Sopranos references, or even integrated themes/approaches, from the goblins and this seems perfect territory to finally do it.

    Now... we wait for for some (hopefully) inevitable name references.
    Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Please don't talk thicker skin when you literally can't handle my disagreements on other peoples opinions.
    If you think me pointing out to you that people can have different opinions than yourself is somehow whining or complaining, then your projection is also noted and you are waaaaaay worse off than I originally thought. Ouch.

    Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.
    Account creation date to post ratio: checks out.

    Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.
    Dude who believes he is not sensitive is getting upset that another dude quoted him on a public forum.

    Just be sure not to become enraged again when I reply to any of your posts.

    So, if you have nothing more than just "no, u" responses, then move on. I said what I said already; you're just crying what you have to cry out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?
    Fair point. I would imagine that most of the Warcraft writers don't really see The Sopranos in a positive light, or even know anything more than just the memes and second-hand accounts from the older generation who watched it.

    Although I feel like, something like a The Sopranos transcends a lot of media. It's very easy to know a lot about it without watching 1 minute of the show... but in the end it's probably a fan pipe dream.

    One could hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Skaggit telling you the Bilgewater Cartel got a few no-shows on a job to clean a cess pool in a neighborhood, and the credit for the WQ is X pages of magazine flipped, X cocktails sipped, X chairs relaxed in.
    I missed this bit in your reply.

    What are the odds that a goblin "entertainment center" taking the place of a strip club was present, where all the Bilgewater "capos" hung out. Gazlowe, Skaggit and some other no-namers up in the VIP lounge smoking cigars and eating lobster.
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  14. #83414
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I don't think updated ethereals means playable, but the tightened bandages and visibly female models (and the fact they can be naked at all) points towards playability down the line.
    It is possible they'll be used for the new raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    Also, if correcting someone and telling them to not take shit to the extreme equates to invalidation...maybe explore the internet more or go outside more.

    Next time you type, please do so when you're actually mentioned. Thanks.
    Man, your knee-jerk reactions every time someone dares to criticise SL lore are well known here.

    And so are your constant attempts at telling other people when and how they can post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?
    I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

    That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yes but what is the average age of the Warcraft writers these days and how many of them have actually seen the Sopranos?
    I'm 21 and I've seen The Sopranos. If I've seen it, I'm sure Blizzard devs have as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Man, your knee-jerk reactions every time someone dares to criticise SL lore are well known here.

    And so are your constant attempts at telling other people when and how they can post.
    Cute.

    Anyways, hopefully we'll see more colors on the cars. Red, Blue, Green, and Yellow are cool and all, but I want my MTV Pink Color!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

    That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.
    Kinda pissed we don't have more references like Bronjahm in WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuaj View Post
    It is possible they'll be used for the new raid.
    I'm curious about where they would be used in the raid. I suppose we'll see encounters in a few weeks. I've been under the assumption that they would tie the Shadowguard Ethereals to the Darkfuse for some time, but I wonder how much of that we'll see.

    I really want playable Ethereals and I think it will happen down the line, but aside from some of the cartels we've dealt with in TBC and Locus Walker, it's been a fair amount of time since we've encountered a large group of friendly Ethereals, so there currently isn't a vehicle for them to join our ranks. Harranir definitely seems like it'll come first, and I imagine Ethereals will be sometime in Midnight when the plot allows for it.

    There was also a comment a while back about Ethereals being a potential usage for the housing system in the same vein as void storage, etc., but I don't think that to be the case. I think a very big part of housing is that it will be pretty detached from the story. I imagine if anything the Artisan's Consortium will be utilized a bit more for this, but with the impending story implications that Ethereals will have, I don't think they'll be the route taken for housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I'm curious about where they would be used in the raid. I suppose we'll see encounters in a few weeks. I've been under the assumption that they would tie the Shadowguard Ethereals to the Darkfuse for some time, but I wonder how much of that we'll see.

    I really want playable Ethereals and I think it will happen down the line, but aside from some of the cartels we've dealt with in TBC and Locus Walker, it's been a fair amount of time since we've encountered a large group of friendly Ethereals, so there currently isn't a vehicle for them to join our ranks. Harranir definitely seems like it'll come first, and I imagine Ethereals will be sometime in Midnight when the plot allows for it.

    There was also a comment a while back about Ethereals being a potential usage for the housing system in the same vein as void storage, etc., but I don't think that to be the case. I think a very big part of housing is that it will be pretty detached from the story. I imagine if anything the Artisan's Consortium will be utilized a bit more for this, but with the impending story implications that Ethereals will have, I don't think they'll be the route taken for housing.
    My personal thought was that maybe they'll be used somewhere within the Worldcore? Maybe the raid will have a Titan facility surrounding the Worldcore? Idk though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I'd argue that it's still a massively popular show and just had a solid run of relevance with memes for a bit, but you're right that it doesn't seem like something the modern writing staff would reference.

    That's not a dig or anything, they just tend to not do this as much as it was done in say the WotLK/Cata/MoP era.
    The current writers keep making quests about how their lynx got the zoomies. By TLT we will have a quest in Grizzly Hills about cleaning the skibidi toilet.

    And I am not saying that's a problem. pop culture references move on.
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