The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Also if Karesh is not Midnight's Argus, the last patch is going to be VERY interesting. Possibly on Azeroth?

[Joshuaj]

No.

Ion stated just a few days ago that by the end of 11.1 we will know where we go next.

11.2 is K'aresh. They would not show it like that just to go there an expansion later. They showed Argus similarly and next patch we went to Argus.

There is no doubt that we are going to K'aresh in TWW.

In fact Horrific Visions revisited is probably about preparing ourselves to be able to fight in a full void corrupted planet. Fighting N'zoth probably was a walk in the park compared to this.

Hmmm...I guess, but the Midnight logo implies otherwise. IF we go to K'aresh in 11.2, then Midnight makes me most excited, cause that means we could go somewhere else entirely at the end of that expac.

[Merryck]

Also if Karesh is not Midnight's Argus, the last patch is going to be VERY interesting. Possibly on Azeroth?

Something we do at the end of Midnight prompts the Titans to return to Azeroth. So it would make sense if Midnight ends on Azeroth.

[Reive]

Also if Karesh is not Midnight's Argus, the last patch is going to be VERY interesting. Possibly on Azeroth?

last patch of midnight will likely involve the titans

[Joshuaj]

Also if Karesh is not Midnight's Argus, the last patch is going to be VERY interesting. Possibly on Azeroth?

Assuming we stand with the Light against the Void, I was thinking 1 thing:

A realm where the forces of Light and Shadow are clashing. The main battleground of Renilash.

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last patch of midnight will likely involve the titans

I think it'll involve Light and Shadow. The Titans are the main focus of TLT.

[Inxotep]

11.2 being K'aresh seems very likely with datamined ethereals, etherealraid item and the s3 xal/dark heart looking tabard & cloak.

We'll probably go there but we lose, which brings about midnight. They invade us and we take our final stand on our own land and beat them for good, kinda like a reverse legion?

[Reive]

I think it'll involve Light and Shadow. The Titans are the main focus of TLT.

we'll likely get at least a glimpse of them. these 3 expansions are supposed to be chapters of one big story so we need a reason to go back to northrend in tlt

[Sondrelk]

Not sure how I feel about K'aresh as 11.2. Leaves too many questions on how Midnight will end.

[Merryck]

We could end up going to the moon in Midnight. That could be a good location for a final patch for Midnight, if not K'aresh.

[Joshuaj]

we'll likely get at least a glimpse of them. these 3 expansions are supposed to be chapters of one big story so we need a reason to go back to northrend in tlt

Metzen said something would happen in Midnight which would require us to go to Northrend and bring back the Titans. This does seem to imply the Void will harm the Worldsoul of Azeroth in some way.

So, final boss of TWW speculations knowing what we know: 1. Xal'atath. Or 2. K'aresh's Worldsoul.

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We could end up going to the moon in Midnight. That could be a good location for a final patch for Midnight, if not K'aresh.

Hmmm...idk. Outside of the fact there are 2 moons, and I think Azeroth's celestial bodies could make for perfect expansion material, I think us going to the Light and Void's main battleground of Renilash makes sense.

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11.1 isn't over, though. The time period for 11.1 stretches all the way until late March or early April, by which point we will also have gotten additional information from the 11.1.5 PTR. It's hard to say if he meant this raid cinematic or just during 11.1 in general.

I'm in the "anything is possible" camp. 11.2 could be either "rootlands" or K'aresh. But I lean rootlands a bit more, because I don't see why they would use K'aresh so soon when there's still more potential within Khaz Algar.

Besides, with 11.1.5 being billed as Nightfall and having Horrific Visions in it, that kind of suggests it will continue this Void story arc.

But since we also know ever since Dragonflight that X.X.5 patches are about taking a small breather, a detour, and watching the fallout from the patch before, while X.X.7 is about setting the stage for the next major patch, that in turn means that 11.1.7 likely won't be about the Void directly (since 11.1.5 already did that), from which we can infer that 11.2 also likely won't be themed directly around the Void.


So I think 11.1.5 will continue to build up the eventual Void showdown by showing us what could await Azeroth in the future, while 11.1.7 and 11.2 brings it back a little bit to the here and now, allowing us to wrap things up and find closure in Khaz Algar.

This is true. However, slight counter:

10.1's epilogue led to hints at the Emerald Dream.

[Cheezits]

What if they swapped the Rootlands and Karesh's placement to spice things up?

We already know the Rootlands are likely not in Khaz Algar. Something happens to the world soul to lead to 13.0. So maybe Orweyna's arc is happening after we fix Quel'thalas? Something something "she's an elf"?

[Hitei]

No.

Ion stated just a few days ago that by the end of 11.1 we will know where we go next.

11.2 is K'aresh. They would not show it like that just to go there an expansion later. They showed Argus similarly and next patch we went to Argus.

I think it's extremely disingenuous to compare this to Argus. They didn't "show Argus similarly", Illidan ripped open a literal doorway in the sky to the planet in Tomb of Sargeras.

If anything, there is a much more direct parallel we got last expansion:



We saw Iridikron take an important thing (the exact same important thing) and go somewhere else and we got a tease of Xal... and then the next patch was the Emerald Dream and finishing off the local threats because that Dark Heart storybeat was part of the ongoing narrative building in the background, and we still had a big problem to deal with (Fyrakk) and major Dragon Isles stuff to address (like the obvious giant spot where a World Tree was likely to show up). We got shown the Dark Heart and the figure to establish an upcoming major development.

This is the same thing. We have a bunch of big set pieces still remaining in Khaz Algar, the Coreway being rebuilt, Beledar, the Rootlands. Why would they burn a giant void-infused planet in the patch before the big Void expansion?

[Joshuaj]

7.2's epilogue led to us maybe going to Argus for 7.3.

9.1's epilogue stuff led to us having to go to Zereth Mortis.

Each patch's epilogue hints at the next location in some way. Unless 11.1.5 or 11.1.7 leads to us learning about Elun'ahir's roots and the Black Blood's corruption of them leading to the Worldcore, K'aresh is probably next.

Of course, this is me arguing Devil's Advocate, as I want to see K'aresh in Midnight.

[Eldryth]

What if they swapped the Rootlands and Karesh's placement to spice things up?

We already know the Rootlands are likely not in Khaz Algar. Something happens to the world soul to lead to 13.0. So maybe Orweyna's arc is happening after we fix Quel'thalas? Something something "she's an elf"?

Maybe. If that's the case, then the Worldcore could be Midnight's climax- and it's destruction could lead directly into the Titans' return.

Whatever the case, I really hope that we get playable Ethereals when we go to K'aresh.

[Joshuaj]

I think it's extremely disingenuous to compare this to Argus. They didn't "show Argus similarly", Illidan ripped open a literal doorway in the sky to the planet in Tomb of Sargeras.

If anything, there is a much more direct parallel we got last expansion:



We saw Iridikron take an important thing (the exact same important thing) and go somewhere else and we got a tease of Xal... and then the next patch was the Emerald Dream and finishing off the local threats because that Dark Heart storybeat was part of the ongoing narrative building in the background, and we still had a big problem to deal with (Fyrakk) and major Dragon Isles stuff to address (like the obvious giant spot where a World Tree was likely to show up). We got shown the Dark Heart and the figure to establish an upcoming major development.

This is the same thing. We have a bunch of big set pieces still remaining in Khaz Algar, the Coreway being rebuilt, Beledar, the Rootlands. Why would they burn a giant void-infused planet in the patch before the big Void expansion?

Yeah, this is my mindset as well, unless Blizzard straight up scrapped much of TWW's plotpoints or cut them short.

[Makabreska]

Big doubt we would suddenly teleport to a different planet in a final patch of an underground expansion. They cooked and revealed WSS together, so they would have no issues with teasing what is coming in Midnight.

My money is on Earthen clearing the Coreway so we will actually reach the Soul, or a least get very close to it.

[Sondrelk]

This is true. However, slight counter: [video]

10.1's epilogue led to hints at the Emerald Dream.

It's hard to compare the two though. Dragonflight was a very much self-contained expansion in which there were no clear leads on where to go after 11.1 besides the whole Bronze Dragonflight hook.
For TWW in comparision we are almost spoilt for choice. The Rootlands. Beledar. Worldsoul. etc. Addin K'aresh on top doesnt really make things clear as much as it muddies the waters.
The expansion being marketed as a big saga, rather than as a standalone expansion does imply a level of ongoing storylines we don't usually see. As one of the recent interviews confirmed. We wouldnt expect a conclusion on the whole Manifold/Worldsoul storyline since we can infer that it's setup for TLT. And in this case it's hard to say whether K'aresh is buildup for 11.2, or Midnight. And personally I lean towards the latter, what with K'aresh clashing with the general Underground theme we have going on in TWW.

[Joshuaj]

It's hard to compare the two though. Dragonflight was a very much self-contained expansion in which there were no clear leads on where to go after 11.1 besides the whole Bronze Dragonflight hook.
For TWW in comparision we are almost spoilt for choice. The Rootlands. Beledar. Worldsoul. etc. Addin K'aresh on top doesnt really make things clear as much as it muddies the waters.
The expansion being marketed as a big saga, rather than as a standalone expansion does imply a level of ongoing storylines we don't usually see. As one of the recent interviews confirmed. We wouldnt expect a conclusion on the whole Manifold/Worldsoul storyline since we can infer that it's setup for TLT. And in this case it's hard to say whether K'aresh is buildup for 11.2, or Midnight. And personally I lean towards the latter, what with K'aresh clashing with the general Underground theme we have going on in TWW.

Yeah, should've specified I was arguing Devil's Advocate here lol. But regardless, I do think we'll see it in Midnight. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[JMitchy96]

Big doubt we would suddenly teleport to a different planet in a final patch of an underground expansion. They cooked and revealed WSS together, so they would have no issues with teasing what is coming in Midnight.

My money is on Earthen clearing the Coreway so we will actually reach the Soul, or a least get very close to it.

I think the Coreway will be a Last Titan thing. Wasn't it said in-game that it would take years to repair?

[Sondrelk]

What if they swapped the Rootlands and Karesh's placement to spice things up?

We already know the Rootlands are likely not in Khaz Algar. Something happens to the world soul to lead to 13.0. So maybe Orweyna's arc is happening after we fix Quel'thalas? Something something "she's an elf"?

While possible. I find that unlikely. It's hard to justify the definitive Void planet being placed in the Underground expansion, and the Underground zone being placed in the Void expansion.
If we assumed the Rootlands are not relevant for TWW, then my guess would be that we visit it during TLT when we move closer to the World Soul.