The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[THEORACLE64]

Well, disappointing, but we're used to it

Meh. I don’t think anyone really cares that much about him though, so oh well he ded.

[Enrif]

Some interesting point someone made in a reddit post:

Let's assume Azir is on K'aresh at the end of the cinematic. The dark heart can absorb void magics. What if these ethereals plan to remove to void energies from K'aresh's reamins, but in so doing filling the dark heart with loads of energy. Then the dark heart returns to Azeroth (be it through us in the ethereal raid, or through Xal's machinations), and this dark heart, fueled by the power that destroyed K'aresh caused Midnight by releasing the void energies upon azeroth.

It would certainly be a twist, to what we assumed that would start midnight, but still work perfectly well for the story.

[Alanar]

Some interesting point someone made in a reddit post:

Let's assume Azir is on K'aresh at the end of the cinematic. The dark heart can absorb void magics. What if these ethereals plan to remove to void energies from K'aresh's reamins, but in so doing filling the dark heart with loads of energy. Then the dark heart returns to Azeroth (be it through us in the ethereal raid, or through Xal's machinations), and this dark heart, fueled by the power that destroyed K'aresh caused Midnight by releasing the void energies upon azeroth.

It would certainly be a twist, to what we assumed that would start midnight, but still work perfectly well for the story.

Sure could be a twist for sure.

But, just like any speculation, see Sylvanas and the tree, gallywix is a dreadlord or literally any end of story. Mmo champion or any fan forum love to see twists and stuff like that. If we learned anything from the pasts its that wow always goes for the obvious route. Look there and dont expect twists. Its usually the obvious outcome. People like to come up with crazy theories, but it always ends in dissappoitments. Speculation is fun up to a certain point, but being more realistic saves you from that.

Just saying.

[Khaza-R]

Sure could be a twist for sure.

But, just like any speculation, see Sylvanas and the tree, gallywix is a dreadlord or literally any end of story. Mmo champion or any fan forum love to see twists and stuff like that. If we learned anything from the pasts its that wow always goes for the obvious route. Look there and dont expect twists. Its usually the obvious outcome. People like to come up with crazy theories, but it always ends in dissappoitments. Speculation is fun up to a certain point, but being more realistic saves you from that.

Just saying.

Tbf, there has be somewhat of a twist in the next few story beats because us just going after Azir when he really did us a solid by stealing the heart from Xal'atath and taking it far off world doesn't make much sense right now

[Kiivar86]

I'll admit, K'aresh potentially being TWW content was not on my radar. Midnight, sure, but not TWW.

[Enrif]

Sure could be a twist for sure.

But, just like any speculation, see Sylvanas and the tree, gallywix is a dreadlord or literally any end of story. Mmo champion or any fan forum love to see twists and stuff like that. If we learned anything from the pasts its that wow always goes for the obvious route. Look there and dont expect twists. Its usually the obvious outcome. People like to come up with crazy theories, but it always ends in dissappoitments. Speculation is fun up to a certain point, but being more realistic saves you from that.

Just saying.

We just had a twist, with the ethereals not working for Xal, even though other here decried it as "of course they work for Xal". And this idea is not as far out there as "gallywix is a dreadlord"

[Khaza-R]

I'll admit, K'aresh potentially being TWW content was not on my radar. Midnight, sure, but not TWW.

Same. But we all assumed that Midnight only deals with the Void and K'aresh would be the ultimate expression of that. But going back to what Metzen actually said about the expansion in the announcement.

"in this chapter you will be returning to the old world, to the fabled lands of Quel'thalas. There the forces of the Void have invaded Azeroth, intent on snuffing out the Light of the Sunwell and plunging the world into darkness and fear. You will not only help reunify the scattered elven tribes of Azeroth but make your stand with the forces of Light to banish the shadow forever. Of course BlizzCon, things may not go to plan. Things may just spiral wildly out of control, leading us to the third part of the Worldsoul Saga..."

Definitley seems like the invasion will already be happening before Midnight begins. So maybe its possible we go to K'aresh but actually lose which prompts the invasion.

[Enrif]

Tbf, there has be somewhat of a twist in the next few story beats because us just going after Azir when he really did us a solid by stealing the heart from Xal'atath and taking it far off world doesn't make much sense right now

Huh, do you imply that Azir and the dark heart might be out of the game for the rest of TWW? i mean, that certainly could be possible, and would allow to clear up the reamining Black Blood, Haranir, Beledar stuff. But the raid icon, PVP tabard, the ethereals so far, seem to indiciate a rather soon ethereals inclusion.

Of course, there is also the point about the devs, that they can start story beats now, but don't have to finish them within the expansion. And i think the Worldcore is one such story beat.

[Alanar]

We just had a twist, with the ethereals not working for Xal, even though other here decried it as "of course they work for Xal". And this idea is not as far out there as "gallywix is a dreadlord"

That wasnt so much a twist which I was refering to, and really this was expected to be honest. Sure we have differnt Ethereal groups, but also locus walker wasnt much a fan of her. We also havent seen her working with them at all.

I just gave a few examples, but the point still stands and that is basically to not overthink in wow. What you see is what you get in wow. Its the same every single time. Its never has much layers, but this happends on fan forums, mostly out of excitement and what people want to see. Knowing that after 20 years+ we should know this by now. Wow is not that deep and a 12+ game. It should be easy to understand and it always does so to speak.

Dont get me wrong, its no attack, but people are always overthinking stuff and usually players come up with way better stories, only to find out its the route literally everyone thought about the first time.

Tree is probably burning because of Sylvanas.
Forums: no its not -> forums comes up with crazy theories.
Turns out it is Sylvanas and no twists or layers.

That just how wow works tbh.
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Tbf, there has be somewhat of a twist in the next few story beats because us just going after Azir when he really did us a solid by stealing the heart from Xal'atath and taking it far off world doesn't make much sense right now

Sure, its a slight twist with the dark heart. But them not perse working for Xal was kinda expected. Not saying anything about the reveal tho, that was just fun for the story that is coming up.

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Meh. I don’t think anyone really cares that much about him though, so oh well he ded.

Thats not really true. I have seen enough people who liked him. Personally I always liked him and hes attitude. Not so much a goodie. Now every leader needs to have great attitude, moral and good to their people. I understand when people say, whats the fun in that.. it can make for boring stories. He was differnt in that sense, which was fun.

Oo well, another long standing horde leader bites the dust I know he wasnt the goblin leader for little while, but I guess he just had to chime in and bite the dust. He was always a step ahead of us, so this unlucky death is fitting for him, but a little lackluster.

[Kiivar86]

Same. But we all assumed that Midnight only deals with the Void and K'aresh would be the ultimate expression of that. But going back to what Metzen actually said about the expansion in the announcement.

"in this chapter you will be returning to the old world, to the fabled lands of Quel'thalas. There the forces of the Void have invaded Azeroth, intent on snuffing out the Light of the Sunwell and plunging the world into darkness and fear. You will not only help reunify the scattered elven tribes of Azeroth but make your stand with the forces of Light to banish the shadow forever. Of course BlizzCon, things may not go to plan. Things may just spiral wildly out of control, leading us to the third part of the Worldsoul Saga..."

Definitley seems like the invasion will already be happening before Midnight begins. So maybe its possible we go to K'aresh but actually lose which prompts the invasion.

True. I had been wondering how the invasion would work and all.

I also like the idea of these ethereals not being aligned with Xal'atath. I recall noticing during the Undermine campaign that they were referred to as the Shadowguard which were the void-aligned ethereals we dealt with previously, so it makes me wonder if what Xal'atath is doing isn't aligned with the Void itself. Very curious.

[Auxis]

Presuming we are going to K'aresh, we are likely going to see some form of ethereal architecture.

What do y'all think it will be like? Personally I'm hoping for some hi-tech bizarro Egyptian stuff.

[AngerFork]

I'll admit, K'aresh potentially being TWW content was not on my radar. Midnight, sure, but not TWW.

Same. I'd sort of expected it to be the starting zone for an ethereal playable race with perhaps a patch zone after the fact. But I won't object if it becomes our 11.2 (though I still think Rootlands seems more likely).

Presuming we are going to K'aresh, we are likely going to see some form of ethereal architecture.

What do y'all think it will be like? Personally I'm hoping for some hi-tech bizarro Egyptian stuff.

I could see it. I somewhat see it perhaps as a more lucid Nyalotha design with lots of spires and purple, possibly as a reference to an old god the Ethereals were worshipping before the void overtook their planet.

[Kiivar86]

Presuming we are going to K'aresh, we are likely going to see some form of ethereal architecture.

What do y'all think it will be like? Personally I'm hoping for some hi-tech bizarro Egyptian stuff.

Egyptian style stuff would rock, that's got my vote.

I was never huge on the idea of TWW, truth be told, and figured Midnight would be more my jam (and I've been vocal about my dislike about goblins and all too) but the possibility of K'aresh has lit a fire in me something fierce.

[milkmustache]

Oh. My. God.

Imagine if this part from the Naga prophecy:

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Wasn't referring to the Primal Incarnates and Xal'atath finding the Dark Heart at the Forbidden Reach.

But rather, the Ethereals taking it from Xal'atath.)

I think this is a wonderful case of the story playing on these prophetic notions in more ways than one. The quote was most definitely referring to the Incarnates taking the Dark Heart at the moment. It also fits wonderfully for Azir stealing the Dark Heart and whatever use it'll come to. It feels like it could also be used in a case where Azeroth's soul or the Worldcore is compromised.

But I think it's important to not hinge on X specific thing needing to happen for Y specific thing to also happen. These prophecies that we're given are intentionally vague so that they can apply in multiple ways and fuel speculation. In reality, I'm not certain that the events of Undermine were completely known at the time of 10.0.7. I'd wager to say they weren't.

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Presuming we are going to K'aresh, we are likely going to see some form of ethereal architecture.

What do y'all think it will be like? Personally I'm hoping for some hi-tech bizarro Egyptian stuff.

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Netherstorm and Dalaran all thrown together. A less Broker-y version of Taza'vesh. God, why did they make the Brokers so similar to Ethereals in everyway?

[Kiivar86]

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Netherstorm and Dalaran all thrown together. A less Broker-y version of Taza'vesh. God, why did they make the Brokers so similar to Ethereals in everyway?

I had figured there would be some reveal during Shadowlands that they shared an origin maybe, or just went through similar circumstances.

But nope, nothing.

[Darkarath]

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Netherstorm and Dalaran all thrown together. A less Broker-y version of Taza'vesh. God, why did they make the Brokers so similar to Ethereals in everyway?

Uhhhh I forgot about the Eco-domes in Netherstorm. It was so cool when I saw them for the first time. One of those special WoW moments that I will always remember.

Please Blizzard, put some Eco-domes in K'aresh.

Expecting 11.1.5 PTR tonight !

[Joshuaj]

Oh. My. God.

Imagine if this part from the Naga prophecy:



Wasn't referring to the Primal Incarnates and Xal'atath finding the Dark Heart at the Forbidden Reach.

But rather, the Ethereals taking it from Xal'atath.

So the next part:



Is still on track and wouldn't even be possible unless we went to Khaz Algar in pursuit of Xal'atath. If Alleria hadnt shot the Dark Heart and if we hadn't gone to Undermine, Xal'atath couldn't have won.

Because otherwise, the Dark Heart wouldn't have been charged up enough for the 'awakening'.

It has to go to K'aresh to be fully realised, and only once that's done will it be used to bring about Midnight.

I might just have talked myself into Team 11.2 K'aresh!

(Or at least 11.1.5, K'aresh. At the very least K'aresh before things go really bad and the clash with the Void reaches its climax.)

It's gotta be 1 of 2 things:

1. K'aresh becomes a Void Lord, which would fit with the themes of The Last Titan and how Worldsouls might not be what they seem.

Or 2. Dimensius becomes one with the Worldsoul of K'aresh, and enters the Dark Beyond in full force.

Either way, the final boss of Midnight will likely be one of these fuckers.

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And IF we don't fight Dimensius in Midnight, it's very likely the Void Lord will be appear similarly to how Sargeras appeared in Legion, with it appearing as an endless dark cloud throughout most of the final raid, and it properly revealing itself within the post-final boss cinematic or cutscene.

That, or we'll straight up see the Void Lord in the final raid, idk lol.

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"I might just have talked myself into Team 11.2 K'aresh!"

It's entirely possible the awakening might occur throughout Midnight, with the Harbinger's stuff at the Worldcore serving as the final steps to such an event.

Afterall, IF K'aresh is the final boss and IF it becomes a Void Lord, there is a high chance it won't be like Argus. Meaning, if it awakens, it won't be premature, it'll be properly mature and ready!

[Valysar]

11.1.5 is coming on PTR soon

[Darkarath]

11.1.5 info is up.

Dissappointed with Horrific Visions, but glad to see more Nerubian stuff. The Arathi scenario looks interesting, but I do not know what to think about Dastardly Duos.

Story-wise it doesn't seem that we are getting Ethereal or Black Blood lore.

We will have to wait for more info.

[Khaza-R]

Welp, that was fast revealing the 11.1.5 content.

Nightfall not at all what I really expected.

Dasteredly Duos are the replacement for BG?

Also wondering how HV redux are going to work without the cloak