1. #84361
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    That's a fair statement, but Quel'thalas is really the only thing that we know about Midnight. We were given a basic logline for it.

    For a reminder, from Blizzcon 2023:

    In this chapter, you will be returning— ready?— to the old world. To the fabled lands of Quel’Thalas. There, the forces of the Void have invaded Azeroth, intent on snuffing out the light of the Sunwell, and plunging the world into darkness and fear. You will not only help reunify the scattered elven tribes of Azeroth, but you will make your stand with the forces of the light and banish the shadow forever.
    Huh, I forgot they confirmed the Sunwell is intact at the start of the expansion, which to me implies it won't be a void-corrupted Quel'thalas. Also interesting that they say scattered elven tribes of Azeroth when it makes more sense for it to be the 3-4 Thalassian factions specifically (Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei, Ren'dorei, Dark Rangers), but we'll see. Dark Rangers would at least make it 2 Alliance 2 Horde.
    Last edited by Cheezits; 2025-01-16 at 05:49 PM.

  2. #84362
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Huh, I forgot they confirmed the Sunwell is intact at the start of the expansion, which to me implies it won't be a void-corrupted Quel'thalas. Also interesting that they say scattered elven tribes of Azeroth when it makes more sense for it to be the 3-4 Thalassian factions specifically (Quel'dorei, Sin'dorei, Ren'dorei, Dark Rangers), but we'll see.
    Yeah, finding the exact quote was good for me because I realized how off base my ideas have gotten from the literal knowledge we have been given, even if minimal.

    The Void has already invaded at this point and are set for the Sunwell. I can't imagine we'll be getting purple and blue cosmic shattered Eversong, so I wonder how they approach this.

    EDIT: The marriage of Lor'themar and Thalryssa will be a pretty poignant detail as well. I expect to see a lot of Shal'dorei involved here as well.
    Last edited by milkmustache; 2025-01-16 at 05:54 PM.

  3. #84363
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    You'll never guess one of the more popular fan picks for races: Naga.
    Females have four arms and some a set of snakey hair.

    Also one of the most popular race requests is literally just Giant Human so arguing about what should and shouldn't be playable these days is silly.
    Vikings. You're talking about literal vikings. How would that not be epic?

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    but ethereals have no bodies. they are energy
    Then, maybe, those that we recruit retained theirs.

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    The more you mess with the design of Ethereals the closer you get into running into an issue of "that's not what they looked like we don't want that" that has been seen with previous races (Nightborne, Velf, Mechagnomes, Dracthyr).

    We're already seeing it to an extent with the new models having very tight wrappings instead of spread out and floating like the OG models (a sacrifice I think that was made with playability in mind, otherwise why change it?)
    Maybe if they were actual undead mummies...
    It's not like they weren't people before Dimensius' destruction.

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    But why though.

    Somethings are appealing because they're alien and different. Its like the whole, 2-legged Naga suggestion. Like they could do that but then its also takes away what made them unique the in first place.
    You're right.
    The whole premise of a Naga is being a serpent.
    It just feels like they could have been much more. Even Brokers have more style than them.

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    Surely, there are no other games that Blizzard has made that have cinematics featuring nearly-faceless humanoids.
    Yes, as monsters. Not as the protagonists.

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    Ethereals might be "easier" (if the key criterion for a race that isn't lazy is an expressive and customizable face) to make than cave night elves or the hideous Antz rejects, but they're a less fundamentally terrible idea. Laziness is only bad when the easy option is inferior; if something is both easier and has a better outcome, that just means there's no tradeoff to doing it instead.
    They could do them without the wrappings, as blobs of energy, selling wrappings for 10$ on the store.

  4. #84364
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I can't imagine we'll be getting purple and blue cosmic shattered Eversong, so I wonder how they approach this.
    From the sheer amount of Silvermoon-like props that were both in DF and the files (lamp post!) I can't see them destroying any of the iconic areas, but at the same time I don't know where the void would be based while they attack Quel'danas. Could just be a big Ethereal spaceship above the sea.

  5. #84365
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Yeah, finding the exact quote was good for me because I realized how off base my ideas have gotten from the literal knowledge we have been given, even if minimal.

    The Void has already invaded at this point and are set for the Sunwell. I can't imagine we'll be getting purple and blue cosmic shattered Eversong, so I wonder how they approach this.
    We have from the harbinger quests in DF a report of one of the voidelf scouts that they have void activity in the amani area. So the void will likely get into Quel'thalas from there. And it mimics a bit TWW, in that an indigenous people (nerubians/aman) are used as the voids pawn.

    Also, it is likely that the naga will play a role too, as they are one of the scattered elven tribes, and Azshara going for the higher powers of the void will likely align with dimensius too. So it could be a two pronged attack.

    From the hills of the Amani and from the sea by the naga.

    And this gives us four zones: Eversong Forest, Ghostlands, Amani Lands, Quel'danas with the Sea around it. At least that how i would frame it.

    And naga at Quel'danas are not unprecedented, as they are there in BC too.
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    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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  6. #84366
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    From the sheer amount of Silvermoon-like props that were both in DF and the files (lamp post!) I can't see them destroying any of the iconic areas, but at the same time I don't know where the void would be based while they attack Quel'danas. Could just be a big Ethereal spaceship above the sea.
    Quel'danas could just be an active battlefield, which would be pretty fun. Insurgencies and pushes by the Void all around the rest of Quel'thalas as we attempt to help the armies of Silvermoon (and the Shattered Sun perhaps?) maintain a foothold on the Sunwell as Anduin marches a larger formed Army of the Light up the Dead Scar a la Arthas.

    God, I know WoD's timeline is not very celebrated but I so, so badly want to see Yrel and the Lightbound with Exarch Hellscream.

  7. #84367
    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    We have from the harbinger quests in DF a report of one of the voidelf scouts that they have void activity in the amani area.
    There will definitely be some kind of void incursion into Amani areas as in lore there is a void monster buried underground there. However I don't think it's the way for them to get there, more like a threat we have to deal with akin to G'huun who probably revives/responds to the Void showing up in the area. Some Amani will be our friends and some Amani will be butthurt (understandably) and side with the monster and/or Void.

    From that report they said the void trace "vanishes" in Amani lands and it would be a fun twist if that meant the Amani killed whoever or whatever it was.

    There is 100% going to be some questline where the Elves kowtow to an elder Amani and apologize for their history so that they can move on as allies.

  8. #84368
    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    We have from the harbinger quests in DF a report of one of the voidelf scouts that they have void activity in the amani area. So the void will likely get into Quel'thalas from there. And it mimics a bit TWW, in that an indigenous people (nerubians/aman) are used as the voids pawn.

    Also, it is likely that the naga will play a role too, as they are one of the scattered elven tribes, and Azshara going for the higher powers of the void will likely align with dimensius too. So it could be a two pronged attack.

    And this gives us four zones: Eversong Forest, Ghostlands, Amani Lands, Quel'danas with the Sea around it. At least that how i would frame it.
    I still get the feeling that Quel'danas will serve as hybrid of Suramar and the Broken Shore. You're correct about the Amani void activity, I forgot about that detail. With the dead c'thrax underneath their lands, I imagine either some black blood esque activity will be going on, or some form of window in. Ghostlands is still a bit too small for an entire zone, and I can't help but agree with others that it may absorb part of the Plaguelands. I'm still torn on Naga involvement, but I think you're right. It just feels a bit... beneath Azshara.

  9. #84369
    Truthfully we may be slacking on the idea that Silvermoon is in and of itself a zone, as we just saw a literally Suramar City-sized city zone drop through Undermine. That would explain the missing 4th area though it would also be derivative of Eversong... but Ringing Deeps shares many qualities thematically with Dorn.

    I think there will be some Quel'dorei themed Blue and Gold area but unsure where exactly. Hopefully not the restored half of Silvermoon but they may actually make the city half red and half blue.

    Silvermoon City, Eversong Forest (Eversong merged with woodland part of Ghostlands, as it should have healed), Northeron/Plaguelands, Amani Area.
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  10. #84370
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I'm still torn on Naga involvement, but I think you're right. It just feels a bit... beneath Azshara.
    Azshara fits on multiple fronts: For one, she sees herself as the queen of the elves. If the elven tribes want to unite, she would certainly be there to be their leader. Then, she wan't to go to higher powers of the void, and Midnight will be the finale of the void story for now, so she needs to be active here. The most intriguing part is, she could play all sides. She could try to band with the elves, she might play the agents of the void to get power. She might be a neutral party in the conflict that tries to get the best out of everything. Like, absorbing the power of Dimensius to strike back later. This later could lead into the Arathi Empire later, as they have had contact to the naga too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If we somehow do get a void Hunter class, I’ll be the first one to post in this thread to admit my error.
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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  11. #84371
    Consider the following:

    https://i.imgur.com/sAwbGiY.jpeg

    One of the reasonings they could do for EPL/Northeron is that they want to at least have one zone outside of Quel'thalas look good for when you fly to it, so the graphic whiplash isn't too crazy. They would of course size everything from this map up but the concepts and ideas would be similar.

    Alternatively they could extend the size of the SMC zone and stretch out the Troll area further west like so.

    https://imgur.com/RoRXv4A

    Looking at this map it feels like they will inevitably have to touch on Deatholmes proximity to Stratholme in some way. Merging the two ideas into one big "Lordaeron Ruins" themed area would work well IMO.
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  12. #84372
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Consider the following:

    https://i.imgur.com/sAwbGiY.jpeg

    One of the reasonings they could do for EPL/Northeron is that they want to at least have one zone outside of Quel'thalas look good for when you fly to it, so the graphic whiplash isn't too crazy. They would of course size everything from this map up but the concepts and ideas would be similar.

    Alternatively they could extend the size of the SMC zone and stretch out the Troll area further west like so.

    https://imgur.com/RoRXv4A

    Looking at this map it feels like they will inevitably have to touch on Deatholmes proximity to Stratholme in some way.
    i think this post is interesting
    https://x.com/soulsobreezy/status/18...355221166?mx=2

    eversong is nearly as big as a TWW zone
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    If we somehow do get a void Hunter class, I’ll be the first one to post in this thread to admit my error.
    Quote Originally Posted by THEORACLE64 View Post
    I mean, trying to worm out of the way it's the WORLDSOUL saga... yah. It's Azeroth reaching out, not some light fairy.
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  13. #84373
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    On further thought, and seeing that Brann is now able to tank, heal and dps, any follower for Midnight should be able to convincingly be able to do the same. So i would throw out a few ideas like the dark rangers or kolitra.

    If we go by known classes it should be someone that is either a paladin, druid or monk or a class that could have either tank or heal realistically added while having the other, like shaman or evoker. Or a tease of one of the survey classes like artificer, tinker, or bard.

    And i think this throws out all of the forsaken characters we know of, and in that context, a character like Salandria or Arathor are more likely, though i don't think either of these.
    Ehm, well, Brann is technically a hunter and now has two new specs, and fun fact, one with a pistol and a shield which kinda fits with that weird pistoleer class leak we had earlier?

  14. #84374
    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    i think this post is interesting
    https://x.com/soulsobreezy/status/18...355221166?mx=2

    eversong is nearly as big as a TWW zone
    Consider that they are going to size up everything to accommodate faster travel. I can see Silvermoon and the starter zone both getting a heavy revamp that make them fit a whole zone.

    Also would this be the first time in a while we could get a new proper racial starter zone? I guess there's potential to do it in Undermine as well. OR, Sunstrider isle is the part of Silvermoon that gets destroyed by the Void.
    Last edited by Cheezits; 2025-01-16 at 06:56 PM.

  15. #84375
    Quote Originally Posted by Enrif View Post
    i think this post is interesting
    https://x.com/soulsobreezy/status/18...355221166?mx=2

    eversong is nearly as big as a TWW zone
    Oh yeah, Eversong is huge. The problem is that it's mostly 2D, so as soon as you start flying, the cracks expand FAST!

  16. #84376
    After watching videos on the way Quelthalas and Azuremyst work, it makes way too much sense to me that they will be updating Azuremyst as well in Midnight. Both for thematic purposes but also it doesn't really fit in with the rest of Kalimdor in the way a full Kalimdor expansion would.

    In a Light and Void expansion? Absolutely.
    Last edited by Cheezits; 2025-01-16 at 07:45 PM.

  17. #84377
    Quote Originally Posted by username993720 View Post
    Yes, as monsters. Not as the protagonists.
    I'm talking about Legacy of the Void, the expansion to Starcraft II where a nearly-faceless species of humanoids were the protagonists.
    "We will soon be in a world in which a man may be howled down for saying that two and two make four."
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    The frozen Mind cracks between the mineral staves which close upon it. The fault lies with your mouldy systems, your logic of 2 + 2 = 4.
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  18. #84378
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    After watching videos on the way Quelthalas and Azuremyst work, it makes way too much sense to me that they will be updating Azuremyst as well in Midnight. Both for thematic purposes but also it doesn't really fit in with the rest of Kalimdor in the way a full Kalimdor expansion would.
    Azuremyst Seems like a perfect patch zone really. Mabye with a story about contact with the new city going dark and us having to check on the Narru there who are expected to help out with the sun well or some such.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  19. #84379
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Azuremyst Seems like a perfect patch zone really. Mabye with a story about contact with the new city going dark and us having to check on the Narru there who are expected to help out with the sun well or some such.
    It would be cool if the new city is fine but something bad happens in the ruins of the Exodar, which has been scavenged to make the new capital.

    Both that and launch Midnight could include new starting zones for Thalassians and Eredar respectively, with different NPCs to represent the subfactions.

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    Was reading up on Troll Tribes and found the following on Dark Trolls interesting. From the old Troll Compendium from Blizzard:

    Description: According to scattered reports, dark trolls have gray to black skin and lead a mostly subterranean existence. Alleged sightings of dark trolls usually involve hulking and brutish creatures who attack with little tactical planning or coordinated effort. Thus, it has been theorized that dark trolls are much less intelligent than other trolls.

    It's been speculated quite a bit that Haronir are between Troll and Nelf, but based on this blurb above I think they may be revealed to be specifically Dark Trolls who evolved in a different way than Night Elves. Some of them are pink (because Nelf) but they can be gray as well.

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    Hmm, a new Draenei city would make a Horde-affiliated Silvermoon a bit more likely in Midnight. if there is such a city, that is.

    Not that a new Draenei city would feel as exciting as Silvermoon with all its rich lore, but I could see it.

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