The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

They had to implement a system to accurately level scale every creature in the game. Much of which had to be done manually. It was the result of 4+ years of work. You are wrong. There is literally no practical reason to create a new 1-60 leveling experience when chromie time itself makes a new leveling system out of each previous expansion.

Create a thread with a poll. I think most people want a full revamp.

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Is it leak season yet? Blizcon has just been announced, usually abut this time first threads start popping up with their uncles brothers cousins dog works at blizzard has 100% info on the next expansion.
inb4 'Wrath of the Bitch Queen' Silvy is back with an army of Tinkers.

Yes, its starting, but the real leak usually doesn't show up until 1-2 weeks away from the expansion. More than not only a few days away.

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Why is that?

10.2 in Oct or Nov. They dont have time to do 10.2.5, 10.2.7, 10.3 and 10.3.5 before next expansion. Unless they delay it to Feb or March 2025.

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Didnt we have the same thing before DF when all content creators were making videos about "DRAGON ISLES NEXT EXPANSION!!!!"? Same thing for Shadowlands iirc. This could certainly be it.

Yeah where theres lots of smoke there are usually flames. Might not be a huge revamp like we want, but there has to be something to it.

If revamp isn't happening and isn't planned ever, and I was blizzard... I would definitely ask some of the bigger creators to stop talking about it. I feel like the revamp videos are also doing pretty well numbers wise, so its definitely a popular expansion idea for the masses at this point imo.

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BlizzCon 2023

10.2 will either be in the late stages of ptr with an imminent release or already out by Bcon 23.

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Considering what the Titans did to the Dream for Azeroth, and considering the tree is still growing in the Dream, I imagine the incarnates will attack the Dream and try and sever its ties to Azeroth, or at least try and reshape Azeroth using the Dreams attunement with it. And considering Elune seemingly has lots of connections with the Titan's and the Green Flight, I wouldn't be shocked if maybe we saw her also? Would be cool to see her, the Night Elves, and the Green/Red Flights, namely the green flight protecting the Dream, the Tree, and Azeroth.

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That's a weird assumption dude...

I just had an idea. What is the incarcerates try to destroy the dream in 10.2 but instead shatter the veil and the dream and Azeroth merge forever. Raid finale queue cinematic of the veil shattering and showing a few zones merged witht he dream. Azeroth is healed and everything is reclaimed and overrun by nature. 1 year time skip between the end of DF and 11.0 and most of the nature can be paired back some giving us a thriving lush azeroth with newly built/repaired cities and bases etc.

[Nibelheimy]

I just had an idea. What is the incarcerates try to destroy the dream in 10.2 but instead shatter the veil and the dream and Azeroth merge forever. Raid finale queue cinematic of the veil shattering and showing a few zones merged witht he dream. Azeroth is healed and everything is reclaimed and overrun by nature. 1 year time skip between the end of DF and 11.0 and most of the nature can be paired back some giving us a thriving lush azeroth with newly built/repaired cities and bases etc.

The lack of relevance of the elemental lords has been a huge flag for me this expansion. A lot of people assume that an 'elemental expansion' would see them as the enemy.

We still don't know Iridikons plan, but we have foreshadowing that Alexstraza will 'betray' Tyr and so far the most likely situation is Iridikron wants Titan influence gone. Maybe we stop Iridikon from destroying the elemental planes, but Alexstraza gets her moment finally adressing her imprisonment, and that the elements were imprisoned and nobody deserves that fate, and we allow it to happen, or she makes it happen irregardless. That would be a plausible betrayal for her in titan keeper eyes, but also give her some well needed development. (Illidan keystone moment) Especially given that Dragonflight is about her and the flights reclaiming their home. Our home was once the elementals and Thrall on the Blizzcon poster, he'd be the defacto pick for Khadgar of the expansion as ambassador to the elements.

The next expansion could be a full two continent or at least Kalimdor revamp where the two original continents are remade, but with the focus on living alongside elemental lords and their respective elements. Maybe the first raid is stopping rebel Dark Irons in Blackrock mountain from bringing Ragnaros back with Smolderon, because we couldn't live peacefully alongside Ragnaros. (I know people will think it'd be too similar to Vault aesthetically, but a fully updated Blackrock mountain raid would sell very very well imo)

It can lead in to the titan keepers trying to re-establish the order and control they had on the lands. Then Avaloren can be a patch zone so we could get some backup from the 'Heretics' (although it could just as well be an equally as good expansion setting). Maybe Neptulon can help us get there.

I've always hoped we'd one day get a version of order halls but for races, but obviously more important and part of the world with the focus on each races home city. Allied races and Dracthyr have made this more complicated however. I feel that dragonflight has been semi-sucessful so far in giving us the feel of home in warcraft in some respects. So as cool as Valdraken is, it's not hitting the mark for most I feel.

For me at least, if in 10.2 the tree isn't physically placed in the dragon isles itself a revamp has a higher chance. I'm curious to see what we're getting so I can try and narrow down my predictions more and more.

[Luck4]

It certainly feels different this time doesnt it?

All other times it felt like a pipe dream. Back in the day it was actually an unpopular expansion idea. Now days I feel like over half the player base would enjoy a world revamp. Back in WoD or Legion it was much less popular.

I think back then most players were expecting one expansion for each: Broken Isles(in WOD era), the Ogres continent in Draenor(also in WOD era), Argus, Kul'tiras, Zandalar, Black Empire/N'zoth, Nazja'tar/Azshara.

But Blizzard decided to burn all these plots and locations in the span of just four years/two expansions, to explore "something new" that turned out to be "something terrible".

If the next expansion isn't a World Revamp, I dearly hope it's not something we just learned about a patch ago or never heard before.

[Chickat]

I think back then most players were expecting one expansion for each: Broken Isles(in WOD era), the Ogres continent in Draenor(also in WOD era), Argus, Kul'tiras, Zandalar, Black Empire/N'zoth, Nazja'tar/Azshara.

But Blizzard decided to burn all these plots and locations in the span of just four years/two expansions, to explore "something new" that turned out to be "something terrible".

If the next expansion isn't a World Revamp, I dearly hope it's not something we just learned about a patch ago or never heard before.

I hope the next 5 or 6 expansions are all insertcosmologyforcehere lands. /s

[Telogrus]

If World Revamp is the next xpac, I hope they make DF a longer expansion so that they have enough time to do the revamp properly. The DF story can easily be stretched to 4 raid tiers. Maybe even five if the Infinites still have more story after 10.1.5

[Chickat]

If World Revamp is the next xpac, I hope they make DF a longer expansion so that they have enough time to do the revamp properly. The DF story can easily be stretched to 4 raid tiers. Maybe even five if the Infinites still have more story after 10.1.5

They have said the infinite Story is wrapped up for DF after 10.1.5.

I can see 2 more major patches max with no Infinite tbh.

Emerald dream, and something random.

[Reive]

We have on 2 dragonflights left whose story is not over yet (murozond's plotline will end in 10.1.5): green and red. 10.2 will probably take care of both if we follow the hints.

The last major patch of dragonflight will have iridikron as final villain.

After that i expect something on the level of patch 9.2.5 where we will see the aftermath of the expansion.

[Nymrohd]

We also have the Tyr storyline and we don't really know where that is heading.

[Lahis]

I bet the Nelves won't get heritage this patch. Even though Nelves and Trolls would be most fitting for a Life/Wild God patch precursor.

Undead heritage, with the questline being about burning trees.

[BaumanKing]

We also have the Tyr storyline and we don't really know where that is heading.

Hopefully it will show us the nasty side of the Light as a prelude to the next expac.

[Zaganite]

Ive been struggling to keep up with the mega dungeon stuff but do we know how it all ends? Does Murozond rise or do we prevent it? I know Iridikion makes off with a wish dragonsoul to do who knows what

[Fahrad Wagner]

If we're going by the amount of days between patches, 10.2 isn't set to be released until Thanksgiving. That's 3 weeks after BlizzCon.

I think Night Elf heritage armor will come in 10.2.5 or 12.2.7, after the Emerald Dream / World tree zone, bringing this narrative arc to is conclusion.

[Darkarath]

Ive been struggling to keep up with the mega dungeon stuff but do we know how it all ends? Does Murozond rise or do we prevent it? I know Iridikion makes off with a wish dragonsoul to do who knows what

We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

[Fahrad Wagner]

We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos?

[Nymrohd]

I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos?

They have completely forgotten Anachronos existed. They could have used him for the Eon's Fringe quests so they can bank on him being more serious and not having the juxtaposition of Chromie's frivolity with what is actually happening (which could work if it makes Chromie seem deranged due to compartmentalizing so heavily to cope, but it just doesn't work).

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We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

Seems fairly clear we go back in time and stop it from happening?

[Makabreska]

We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

Uhhhhh, no. We successfully stop Murozond transformation and then Blizz said that Infinite Dragonflight story is done for now.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

I'd like that, at least. Unfortunately, as Makabreska pointed out, this is alleged to be the end of the Infinite Dragonflight arc in this expansion. Still, I suppose an Infinite Dragonflight victory would count as a conclusion, it would just be very awkward to not follow up on it for at least two patches.

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I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos?

My ideal situation, though I fear I've begun to repeat this too much, is that Murozond retroactively displaces Nozdormu rather than our Nozdormu being retroactively corrupted. As a result, we would have a paradoxical Nozdormu coexisting with a now-concrete Murozond who has retroactively been made by Nozdormu's corruption in the past to always exist as his own being.

[Darkarath]

I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos

Probably Chromie as Anachronos is nowhere to be seen. A very bad choice IMO.

Uhhhhh, no. We successfully stop Murozond transformation and then Blizz said that Infinite Dragonflight story is done for now.

That would be kind of pointless, sadly, you might be right.

Murozond has been teased forever, why they would momentarily save Nozdormu just to return to the same situation when the Infinites appear again is beyond me.

Much more interesting and still possible is that Nozdormu becomes Murozond and leaves for a while to gain strenght and make his plans while we are busy with the Incarnates.

My ideal situation, though I fear I've begun to repeat this too much, is that Murozond retroactively displaces Nozdormu rather than our Nozdormu being retroactively corrupted. As a result, we would have a paradoxical Nozdormu coexisting with a now-concrete Murozond who has retroactively been made by Nozdormu's corruption in the past to always exist as his own being.

Not a bad idea, but we are dealing with Blizzard. They would be unable to explain something like that to its players in a satisfactory way and to carry that plot forward.

Also, it seems that there is a trend to replace the old Aspects. Only Nozdormu and Alexstrasza remain. Kalecgos, Merithra and Ebyssian would be joined by Chromie and ... Veritistrasz? He is definitively getting a lot of attention in DF.

[Teriz]

I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos?

I’d prefer Anachronus. It sort of helps that he’s one of my favorite HS cards;



He looks awesome

[Nymrohd]

Probably Chromie as Anachronos is nowhere to be seen. A very bad choice IMO.

And weird. Black flight story pretty much focused on bringing every black dragon alive around. Same with Blue. Then Bronze for some reason just has the same dragons we've always had. And it's weird that they let Anachronos behind