The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mackud]

Nothing that conclusively states we have to get a troll raid in Midnight. It's an obvious option for sure. But so is a Scourge or Scarlet Crusade raid.

Midnight could easily just have the Amani be in dungeons, with the first raid being Quel'thalas, second being Stratholme, and third one being K'aresh or what have you.

If you had to pick for a Troll raid, which one would you pick - Some snake literally no one knows about, and quite frankly, won't give a fuck about because there's better story for the last expansion of a saga than some snake or the location of the most powerful C'Thraxxi which is thematic for Midnight.

It fits with the narrative where people are just fantasizing what they want rather than it logically happening. It's not speculating which the thread is supposed to be about, it's just making your own personal wishlist of things you want to see in the game

[Ersula]

And he still says Undead Drakkari.

Because as we all know, you can only be raised from the dead once. /s

[Sondrelk]

If you had to pick for a Troll raid, which one would you pick - Some snake literally no one knows about, and quite frankly, won't give a fuck about because there's better story for the last expansion of a saga than some snake or the location of the most powerful C'Thraxxi which is thematic for Midnight.

It fits with the narrative where people are just fantasizing what they want rather than it logically happening. It's not speculating which the thread is supposed to be about, it's just making your own personal wishlist of things you want to see in the game

Here is the thing though. Zul'aman being important and thematic to Midnight doesn't immediately mean it has to be a raid. The Stonevault is hugely important to TWW as an expansion, and as the intro to the trilogy. And yet that is just a dungeon to cap off the storyline in the zone.

Zul'aman and the C'thraxxi there could easily be the same. You spend all of the relevant zone fighting the Amani. And then at the end, or in a dungeon. You fail, and the C'thraxxi leaves to be part of some future raid. Probably in Silvermoon leading a bunch of cultists, or old god minions or what have you.

A Zul'aman raid is a strong choice for a hefty bit of lore. But even more so os a version of Zul'aman that is open world where you have to continuously fight back Old God cultists.

[Enrif]

My wish is that they take the Argent Crusade questing hub in ICC (not the tourney grounds) and make that into a proper hub, with proper buildings and everything.
The tourney grounds are placed where they are for gameplay reasons. But there isn't really anything preventing the Argent Crusade from having established the castle they planned to build further south.

i guess they could revisit the original idea of the argen tournament grounds for crystalsong and have build there a new city.

[Mackud]

The Stonevault was important to TWW. In what way exactly?

It quite literally had nothing to do with the main story, it ended the story of the War of Three Hammers, an event which ended her in sabotaging Grim Batol. In what relation does this have to the main story?

It was good to have the Dwarf faction she sabotaged appear ingame, but the consequence of the actions had literally no bearing on the main story.

The only thing the events of Grim Batol achieved was the creation of the Twilight dragons which ended at Lady Sinestra so I'm really struggling how this is considered important to current events.

[Sondrelk]

The Stonevault was important to TWW. In what way exactly?

It quite literally had nothing to do with the main story, it ended the story of the War of Three Hammers, an event which ended her in sabotaging Grim Batol. In what relation does this have to the main story?

It was good to have the Dwarf faction she sabotaged appear ingame, but the consequence of the actions had literally no bearing on the main story.

The only thing the events of Grim Batol achieved was the creation of the Twilight dragons which ended at Lady Sinestra so I'm really struggling how this is considered important to current events.

Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

[Nymrohd]

The Drakkari tribe died off, not all Frost Trolls. Others could come back. Alternatively, Talanji could sponsor trolls from all tribes to come resettle an ancient part of the empire.

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Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

Really, An'surek as the middle raid with more time to build the Nerubians and maybe some proper questing in the city proper like Suramar with the first raid tier being something else would absolutely work. And save Kezan for future content.

[Sondrelk]

The Drakkari tribe died off, not all Frost Trolls. Others could come back. Alternatively, Talanji could sponsor trolls from all tribes to come resettle an ancient part of the empire.

Or Amani. Or Gurubashi. Or really any kind of troll that might want to get in on whatever crazy stuff was left inside Zul'drak.
Could be insane Loa. Could be a giant cauldron of extra potent Mojo.
Only way to find out is for someone to go inside and go insane so they can be killed by adventurers.

[Mackud]

Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

That's called The Coreway.

Trust me, I'm not the one between us confusing it with something else.

At this point I'm just hoping I get concussion so I can forget this past 20 minutes happened.
I don't genuinely think you actually play the game, it's been suspect in the past but how do you get Stonevault and Coreway mixed up unless you've been doing an absolute marathon running the same dungeon over and over again then it becomes a bit more understandable but its the only excuse available

[Raetary]

We're already getting one in Midnight though. Why do we need 2?

You can never have enough troll raids.

[Mackud]

You can never have enough troll raids.

I'll agree with you on that one, Troll dungeons and raids is actually BiS

[Nymrohd]

Btw do we yet have any indication on what happens with dinars?

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Or Amani. Or Gurubashi. Or really any kind of troll that might want to get in on whatever crazy stuff was left inside Zul'drak.
Could be insane Loa. Could be a giant cauldron of extra potent Mojo.
Only way to find out is for someone to go inside and go insane so they can be killed by adventurers.

Honestly what I'd want is for there to have been a Tal'Drak in Zandalar that we just never saw (that should have existed given everyone else had extensive representation in Zandalar) and Talanji helps them resettle.

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That's called The Coreway.

Trust me, I'm not the one between us confusing it with something else.

At this point I'm just hoping I get concussion so I can forget this past 20 minutes happened.
I don't genuinely think you actually play the game, it's been suspect in the past but how do you get Stonevault and Coreway mixed up unless you've been doing an absolute marathon running the same dungeon over and over again then it becomes a bit more understandable but its the only excuse available

The Stonevault. The dungeon in Ringing Deeps? Where we finish the Ringing Deeps storyline, then revisit to kill Eirich which is the starting zone for Earthen players?

[Mackud]

Btw do we yet have any indication on what happens with dinars?

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Honestly what I'd want is for there to have been a Tal'Drak in Zandalar that we just never saw (that should have existed given everyone else had extensive representation in Zandalar) and Talanji helps them resettle.

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The Stonevault. The dungeon in Ringing Deeps? Where we finish the Ringing Deeps storyline, then revisit to kill Eirich which is the starting zone for Earthen players?

What are you waffling on about, are you joining him also in the exclusive club.

He thought the Titan mechanism was called The Stonevault and accused me of thinking it was called something else.

[Limayria]

Not to drag us back to order hall discussion but demon hunters order hall is literally a space ship, why wouldn't they just pull up the fel hammer?? It'd also be cool to see the rememants of kaels forces having folded into the illidari including some of their engineers who were working on TK


I also think that zul drak would be a great location for a delve of us going down and investigating what's happening now that the trolls are gone


Dinar are coming in the .5 patch but as far as I know nothing on ptr showed where they come from, tbh I assume they'll just come in the regular way or maybe 1/ week from caches and raid boss kills or something

[Sondrelk]

What are you waffling on about, are you joining him also in the exclusive club.

He thought the Titan mechanism was called The Stonevault and accused me of thinking it was called something else.

I am pretty certain I am not confusing the Coreway the giant elevator, with the Stonevault, being where you have giant molds of Earthen on display.

I am genuinely confused what you think I am getting wrong here. The Coreway is a giant elevator that we have not seen the bottom of, but which presumably ends up at the world soul. And the Stonevault is a giant factory building.
Not exactly difficult to identify.

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Btw do we yet have any indication on what happens with dinars?

The developers stated they wanted to add them in 11.1.5 so they have more control over them. So presumably we will see them once the patch is properly on the PTR.

[Mackud]

I am pretty certain I am not confusing the Coreway the giant elevator, with the Stonevault, being where you have giant molds of Earthen on display.

I am genuinely confused what you think I am getting wrong here. The Coreway is a giant elevator that we have not seen the bottom of, but which presumably ends up at the world soul. And the Stonevault is a giant factory building.
Not exactly difficult to identify.

You've confused yourself! And you've made it plain obvious that you don't play this game when I explained to you why the Stonevault isn't an important to the main story and then you went eh, are we talking about the same thing. The only other alternative is that you skip literally every quest and dialogue going.

It's just plain bizarre and weird to try and talk about ingame story when you don't follow the story yourself, and it's not the first time where I was deeply suspicious

It's like wanting to be a rally driver, and the most qualified I am is playing Mario Kart 64.

[Nymrohd]

The developers stated they wanted to add them in 11.1.5 so they have more control over them. So presumably we will see them once the patch is properly on the PTR.

What do you mean properly on the PTR? It's been on the PTR for two weeks. I've already unlocked most of the updates on Horrific Visions by now.

[Sondrelk]

You've confused yourself! And you've made it plain obvious that you don't play this game when I explained to you why the Stonevault isn't an important to the main story and then you went eh, are we talking about the same thing.

It's just plain bizarre and weird to try and talk about ingame story when you don't follow the story yourself, and it's not the first time where I was deeply suspicious

It's like wanting to be a rally driver, and the most qualified I am is playing Mario Kart 64.

So the giant factory that makes and regenerates earthen is not important to the greater story of the Titan Constructs gaining sentience against the wishes of the Titans then?
Am I getting that right?

Because I would have thought that Xal'atath attempting to hijack a titan facility in order to make armies of void infused constructs would be important. Not to mention all the stuff we learned about the Titan Constructs. Like how they get regenerated in the Stonevault to prevent them gaining free will from exposure to Azeroths world soul.

Maybe I am crazy. Because of all that seems very relevant to a trilogy called the World Soul saga. About the void attacking. And the Titans having kept secrets about their intentions.
But sure. The Stonevault is entirely pointless. And the Earthen gaining sentience and breaking free from the Titans is never going to come back in say, The Last Titan. When we go back to Ulduar and interact with more Earthen.

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What do you mean properly on the PTR? It's been on the PTR for two weeks. I've already unlocked most of the updates on Horrific Visions by now.

Ooh. I was under the impression only data mining had begun.

Guess it's just not been revealed then. My bad.

[Eldryth]

I don't think the Stonevault actually has a stated purpose. It's next to the Halls of Awakening where the Earthen are stored and awakened, but the Stonevault itself is just a facility that the High Speaker fled to at the end of the Ringing Deeps story.


The Coreway is much further from what's been getting discussed here, so no idea how anyone got that. It's very clearly been just what the name suggests- a path to the Worldcore. I get seeing the adjacent Halls of Awakening and Stonevault as the same thing, but the Coreway is completely different.

[Mackud]

I don't think the Stonevault actually has a stated purpose. .

Correct. He's just making it more and more obvious and needs to put the shovel away already.

It was a simply facility he hid in when he his double agent plan went to balls, the quest givers for the dungeon are literally at the instance portal, not a very good hijack attempt if i was supposed to be that.

"I'm hijacking your factory, aw fuck I forgot the shut the front door"