The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I'm just not sure why they would think that to begin with since there's never been any indication in-game that anybody knows much of anything about world souls (or titans, for that matter--even the titan-forged know next to nothing about their history), let alone the specific viewpoint in Chronicle. But it's always bothered me that Chronicle is painted as titan-forged propaganda despite propagandising the Light more than anything else, so I guess it could make sense for the Arathi to be the source of the propaganda. Palawltar's codex is the only in-game description of the Chronicle cosmological diagram.

You're right in that it would be hard for them to get that information. But reminder they likely have studied this stuff through relics, visions, as well as other things. So, idk.

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and we don't know what Renilash is. It could be the 12.1 patch, or the 12.2. It could also be neihter and the whole of Midnight is considered Renilash.

I think it's meant to be all of Midnight, with the final battle itself taking place in the last major patch.

Reminder, Renilash technically begins in TWW.

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"It was vast and empty and swallowed all light that entered it. Velen knew it would be all consuming until, at last, it would turn and devour itself, endlessly gnawing on nothing in the Great Dark Beyond, removing all meaning from the universe, from the most heart-breaking sonata to the most arresting sunset. It was too terrible to see, to comprehend, and yet the army headed straight for it. And the light began to fade..."

Lmaooo did Prophets Lesson hint at us potentially facing Dimensius in Midnight?

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Btw, the Worldsoul Saga ending with the influences kinda leaving Azeroth for a bit (Or at least mellowing out) makes the most sense at this rate. Their stories aren't over, but the cosmology is much more clarified, and them leaving/mellowing would give us lots of time to breath.

Disorder- The Legion's been dismantled mostly, and much of the Crusades remnants either work for powerful Diabolist Warlocks or some former Sargeras serving schmucks.

Death- The Jailer's been defeated, and Domination is all but non-existent at this rate. The Shadowlands is saved, and the cycle of Life and Death's been protected. Denathrius and the Dreadlords are at large, but they're no threat atm.

Life- Not much to discuss here. The Dream has been protected, and Azeroth has no threat like the Evergrowth atm.

Order- The Titans will likely be dealt with in a way during TLT.

Light- Their influence on Azeroth will likely fall out a ton in Midnight. At best, Light's influence on Azeroth will be expressed VIA the Arathi Empire.

Shadow- Banished and likely defeated for a while. It's influence on Azeroth will at best be minor after Midnight.

The Elements- Again, kinda settled for now. Decay is at large, and Iridikron exists, but they'll likely be dealt with or at least pushed back in TLT

[Cheezits]

I'm still in favor of Azshara sidestepping Midnight and TLT only to come in full force in 14.0, invading Kalimdor to take back her empire while the Emperor attacks EK.

They could combine forces (Emperor and New Empress), agreeing to split the continents, or they could also be warring against each other.

I think it's way too good of a chance to give each continent a "final boss" that is thematically and historically appropriate to them. Imagine a neutral war campaign for each continent that uses every (revamped) zone to their full potential.

Azshara could call in old favors to enemies scattered around Kalimdor (Naga, elementals, Satyr, Magatha??) while the Arathi resurgence prompts a bunch of rebels across the kingdoms and some criminal shenanigans. Maybe during the chaos the Scarlets and Nathrezim move in and start shitting things up too.

[Nymrohd]

I'm still in favor of Azshara sidestepping Midnight and TLT only to come in full force in 14.0, invading Kalimdor to take back her empire while the Emperor attacks EK.

They could combine forces (Emperor and New Empress), agreeing to split the continents, or they could also be warring against each other.

I think it's way too good of a chance to give each continent a "final boss" that is thematically and historically appropriate to them.

Yeah imo the ideal thing for Azshara would be for her to take advantage of the distraction of the events of the Saga to do something on a cosmic level.

[Cheezits]

Yeah imo the ideal thing for Azshara would be for her to take advantage of the distraction of the events of the Saga to do something on a cosmic level.

Meta-wise she is ideally the final boss of "Azeroth" so the longer she stays in play the better.

There would be bigger enemies out there post-Saga like the Lightmother and Denathrius but Azshara is responsible for so many crimes to Azeroth that she really is the ultimate villain for the WORLD of Warcraft. Moreso than Sargeras and Zovaal (and Azshara helped the former).

[Joshuaj]

It would be fun if the "midnight" event took place already sometime between 11.2 - 11.2.7.

For example, one possible scenario:

11.1.5 - Nightfall. "The fall of night reveals her true face. She will bring only ruin." Learn of Xal'atath's true identity.

11.1.7 - Twisted abominations of Old God blood-infused primal beasts, empowered by Elun'ahir's roots, run rampant across Khaz Algar.

11.2 - Head into the dark domain of a fallen world tree. This deadly landscape is primal, and not for the faint of heart. But there is also beauty, with a unique plant and wildlife seen nowhere else on Azeroth. Venture with the Freysworn as they unearth ancient history involving the Keeper Freya, and fight side by side with the Haranir as you cleanse the roots, and protect them from an Old God. The ethereals are heavily involved with the raid, which gives you a glimpse of K'aresh as the Dark Heart is used to bring about the hour of twilight, and usher in Midnight on Azeroth.

11.2.5 - Deal with the aftermath of your adventures into the "rootlands", and say your good-byes to Khaz Algar. Rally its peoples for Renilash.

11.2.7 - Xal'atath's road has taken many twists and turns, but she is now ultimately successful, as Dimensius is awake and on his way to claim Azeroth. (In the meantime, we build houses - yaaaay! )

The pre-patch arrives, and the sky darkens (not all of it, but there's like a noticeable part of it that's being covered in darkness above Quel'thalas). Blue, voidy darkness.

Fast forward a few patches and Empress Azshara arrives, defeats Dimensius, and sods off again.

Based off what we know, this is what I imagine:

11.1.5: Nightfall.

11.1.7: Xal'atath grows desperate and plans a risky move on Azeroth's Worldsoul.

11.2: Worldcore raid with Elun'ahir's roots, Ethereals play a big part in the raid itself, Xal'atath is defeated but not killed, etc.

11.2.5: TWW Epilogue.

11.2.7: Events leading up to Midnight, the reveal of Azshara working to consume Azeroth's soul and become a "goddess" VIA aiding Dimensius, etc.

12.2: The era of Midnight begins. Quel'Thalas update with either a Zul'aman or Stratholme raid.

12.0.5: Zul'aman or Stratholme epilogue. The Elves form a new faction focused on their newfound unity.

12.0.7: Returning to the Isle of Quel'Danas. Preparing to strike against Azshara before she can claim the Sunwell.

12.1: Naga-based zone + a raid focused on us facing Void Empress Azshara. Ends in us defeating her and maybe saving the Sunwell, but ends in us failing to keep Dimensius at bay. The Void Lord is coming, and it's gonna take more than us just banishing the Shadow to properly stop it...

12.2: We stand with the Light in Renilash. K'aresh will likely be showcased in full here, with the raid taking place either here or in a battleground realm where the powers of Light and Shadow clash (Possibly both tho, let's be real). The Final Boss is either a corrupted K'aresh or Dimensius itself (I prefer the idea that Dimensius would absorb K'aresh's essence, hence giving itself a proper "physical form" and whatnot. Probably not though). Ends in us stopping Dimensius (Either by banishing it or killing it, I prefer that we kill the Void Lord cause fuck yeah, though at the cost of either all the Naaru dying or one of the lords of Light dying. I like the latter ngl), but the Worldcore being shattered.

12.2.5: Midnight epilogue. Ends in us coming to the conclusion that we need to bring the Titans back in order to save our world and its soul. Also provides implications that Azeroth's survival is required for the universes survival.

12.2.7: Iridikron starts to make his move, maybe we'll see some stuff with the Keepers? Idk. Regardless, this is the build up patch for TLT.

[Cheezits]

I do think that the only way Xal is relevant to TLT is if she's a product of Karesh or Azeroth's worldsoul. Otherwise what does she have to do with that plot?

[Joshuaj]

Yeah imo the ideal thing for Azshara would be for her to take advantage of the distraction of the events of the Saga to do something on a cosmic level.

I think her working with Dimensius is essentially gonna pan out as her "using him" to claim Azeroth's Worldsoul herself.

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Meta-wise she is ideally the final boss of "Azeroth" so the longer she stays in play the better.

There would be bigger enemies out there post-Saga like the Lightmother and Denathrius but Azshara is responsible for so many crimes to Azeroth that she really is the ultimate villain for the WORLD of Warcraft. Moreso than Sargeras and Zovaal (and Azshara helped the former).

Considering Dimensius' build up, as well as the stuff from Prophet's Lesson, I would be SHOCKED if Azshara was the final boss of Midnight and not Dimensius or K'aresh's worldsoul.

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Like literally everything's been building up to our eventual confrontation with a Void Lord in true. We fought a Worldsoul, met the Titans, defeated an Old God at full power, stopped an actual Titan level being AKA Zovaal, and are now preparing for the Void's all out invasion on Azeroth. It's been a long time coming.

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Also, Azshara is NOT the ultimate villain of WoW, don't be silly. She was always a lackey who flew too close to the sun. "Oh, I wanna marry Sargeras and claim ultimate power" *loses and wrecks her empire as a result*

"Oh, I will join you N'Zoth, but I wanna do so as a queen, not a servant" "Hehe, N'Zoth doesn't know I plan to contain him in the Xal'atath blade" *Proceeds to lose to the Champions and get her plans absolutely foiled*

"Hehe, I will join the Void Lords in aiding their cause to stop the Light and claim Azeroth, but before they claim the Worldsoul, I'll double cross them and seize the Worldsoul's power for myself"

LADY, YOU'RE AIDING A MF NAMED THE ALL-DEVOURING! TF YOU MEAN "DOUBLE CROSS"? IT'S GONNA DOUBLE CROSS YOUR DOUBLE CROSS BEFORE THE DOUBLE CROSS IS EVEN PLANNED!!!

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If Azshara does end up being the final boss of Midnight, I'll genuinely be shocked. But I highly doubt it man. She's the literal definition of "fraud central"

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"It was vast and empty and swallowed all light that entered it. Velen knew it would be all consuming until, at last, it would turn and devour itself, endlessly gnawing on nothing in the Great Dark Beyond, removing all meaning from the universe, from the most heart-breaking sonata to the most arresting sunset. It was too terrible to see, to comprehend, and yet the army headed straight for it. And the light began to fade..."

Idk, assuming all of this ends up being true, I don't think this is talking about Azshara. I think this is talking about Dimensius.

[Khaza-R]

I do think that the only way Xal is relevant to TLT is if she's a product of Karesh or Azeroth's worldsoul. Otherwise what does she have to do with that plot?

Tbf, I don't think we know what her real endgame is.

Nothing about her character really comes across as a "faithful servant" type. So why is she helping Dimensius in the first place? Unless they have a bargain like her and N'zoth did. Seems like she's going to end being a saboteur more than anything.

[Joshuaj]

Tbf, I don't think we know what her real endgame is.

Nothing about her character really comes across as a "faithful servant" type. So why is she helping Dimensius in the first place? Unless they have a bargain like her and N'zoth did. Seems like she's going to end being a saboteur more than anything.

She is literally called the harbinger of the Void. What about her doesn't scream "faithful servant"?

[Nymrohd]

Tbf, I don't think we know what her real endgame is.

Nothing about her character really comes across as a "faithful servant" type. So why is she helping Dimensius in the first place? Unless they have a bargain like her and N'zoth did. Seems like she's going to end being a saboteur more than anything.

Maybe she IS Dimensius or rather an avatar of him

[Khaza-R]

She is literally called the harbinger of the Void. What about her doesn't scream "faithful servant"?

Because harbinger doesn't mean servant? Her title basically means she is the bringer of the Void. And that in no way really alludes that she's loyal to Dimensius.

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Maybe she IS Dimensius or rather an avatar of him

Seems more plausible, honestly. But I not really convinced he isn't just a red herring in all of this.

[Cheezits]

One Xal thought I had was that she may be our envoy to ally with a kind-of-sympathetic Black Empire contingency in TLT, maybe related to the "secrets" of the Black Empire that Odyn wanted buried. N'zoth could be involved in this too.

Basically a reason for us to get some (playable?) friendly Black Empire representatives to ally with us out of convenience to defeat whatever the big threat is in TLT, be it Iridikron and/or Bad Titans. Or they are the empire we ally with vs Azshara and the Arathi.

I just want to play K'thir.

[milkmustache]

I just want to play K'thir.

Not an outlandish suggestion. Add in a lot more customization, and they're already there. I think K'thir sort of fill a gap that the represented races have atm.

The only hangup I can see is they're mostly represented by cultists similar to shadow priests at the moment. Develop them a bit in Midnight or later and they'd be an interesting allied race.

I think Ethereal, Amani trolls, High Elves, and Broken (maybe even Naga) are higher on the list to join the player ranks. Although Blizzard always surprises.

[Nightshade711]

I just want to play K'thir.

Since BfA I’ve wanted a Spriest glyph that swapped Shadowform out for a K’thir form. (Sorta like a reverse Glyph of Stars lol)

Hopefully one day.

[Darkarath]

I think that the Titans will come to Azeroth because they will decide that themselves, without taking anything that we might say into consideration. Something truly big needs to happen to make them reach that resolution.

Remember that they didn't come when N'zoth was about to conquer Azeroth nor when Zovaal was about to reform the cosmos.

Xal'athat is a servant of Dimensius and related to K'aresh in some way. In 11.2 we are going there to find out who she really is and what the Void plan is. Most likely she will be the final boss of TWW but she will survive.

Midnight is a big question mark as of now. I think that Dimensius will be there in the same way that Sargeras was in Legion. Meaning that he will be pulling the strings but we won't face him. Dimensius as a Void Lord would be, as the bare minimum, as powerful as Sargeras. So we won't have a chance.

The Titans might have been draining Sargeras' power so that now he is more or less equal in power to the lesser version of the Titans that we saw in Legion. It's clear that the Titans will be stronger than in Legion but they will never be what they once were. Iridikron is destined to fight them, and he would not have a chance against a true Titan.

Hence, in such a way, we might fight a lesser version of Sargeras. I don't think that this would be Blizzard's approach, though.

Sargeras is fated to fight the Void, which was the reason of his madness. Dimensius the Void Lord being summoned in Azeroth could be enough reason to make the Titans act. But in their current state, they won't have a chance. Sargeras would be the only one capable of defeating Dimensius.

Sargeras would win but he would be very weak after his battle. I doubt that the Titans would let the chance of killing Sargeras slip away, maybe with our help.

After that, the Titans would be free to take Azeroth to fulfill whatever purpose they have, betraying us, and of course we would be there to fight them.

[Cheezits]

The only hangup I can see is they're mostly represented by cultists similar to shadow priests at the moment. Develop them a bit in Midnight or later and they'd be an interesting allied race.

Honestly I can see Blizzard riding the hype of Mindflayers from BG3 and expanding them to have a culture beyond "lol old gods". They are like number 2 on void-associated races that would make most sense to be playable after Ethereals. They seem more sensical to be playable than any of the bugs (besides Ascended) as cool as they would be, they are humanoids with funny heads.

But yeah TBC races definitely are coming and/or getting customization for them in Midnight because it's TBC 3.

[Marlamin]

Zorbrix is teasing... something. Let's all place our bets.

Some kind of light-based Ecco dome?

Anduin doing radical stuff soon?



https://x.com/Zorbrix/status/1905667...kDekXvfJg&s=19

Or its just a reference to this post with better DDOS protection/players being mass-ressed and all (it is exactly that).

[Darkarath]

Zorbrix is teasing... something. Let's all place our bets.

Some kind of light-based Ecco dome?

Anduin doing radical stuff soon?



https://x.com/Zorbrix/status/1905667...kDekXvfJg&s=19

I can see the Arathi making light Eco-Domes in K'aresh. But I would not look to much into this tweet.

We don't even know what 11.1.7 is going to be about. Too soon to be teasing K'aresh stuff.

Or its just a reference to this post with better DDOS protection/players being mass-ressed and all.

Aaaaand that makes sense. Case closed.

https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/new-...1-5-ptr-376152

BTW, Legion Remix even more confirmed.

[Cheezits]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/new-...1-5-ptr-376152

BTW, Legion Remix even more confirmed.

I am not looking forward to Azsuna and Highmountain again. Curious how much they will lean on Suramar.

The only mount I can think they haven't added from Legion is the giant eagle, and I am sure we'll get the other color heritage armors for NB. But aren't most unused Legion items in the game now?

[Nymrohd]

I am not looking forward to Azsuna and Highmountain again. Curious how much they will lean on Suramar.

The only mount I can think they haven't added from Legion is the giant eagle, and I am sure we'll get the other color heritage armors for NB. But aren't most unused Legion items in the game now?

Realistically, most of your time in Remix will be spend doing raids, not world questing.