The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

They should let Earthen become Death Knights.

Yeah, I don't really understand why they made the push for unlocking everything and then weirdly walked back class availability and won't give new races DK.

[Jolly Roger]

You guys are approaching Pyromancer tier conspiracies.

i mean a few were correct like the maga being connected to nzoth who was underwater

[Joshuaj]

Also the snake patterns and ouroborus in Oribos, as well as its name.

There are enough mysterious snakes in WoW for the devs to make them some kind of conspiracy.

Maybe the First Ones have serpent pets or summ? Wouldn't be too shocking, given what we know about the Oruboros, as well as our limited knowledge on the whole "crooked serpent" stuff.

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no clue just the anxiety of the stage

lots of ppl were asking about danuser not being there then the staff threw a fit over free mt dew

I think Blizzard knows not to talk about Danuser. Heck, I think Danuser wanted to have a silent, peaceful exit. And tbh, I can't blame him, have you seen WoW fans on places like Twitter?

[Hitei]

i mean a few were correct like the maga being connected to nzoth who was underwater

What? That's not a Pyromancer theory. We were directly told (before launch) that N'zoth was the one behind Deathwing and then Azshara and her forces were being forced to help out with Deathwing's machinations at launch, while they were helping giant underwater Old God tentacles drain snails in Vashj'ir.

[Joshuaj]

I personally thought Draconic was representing an Order/Arcane language, but they could be the seventh force (freedom?)

No? Why would they be 7th force related?

The 7th is outside the cosmos. We have absolutely no idea what it is.

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also our characters and allies dont know the etherals are on k'aresh, and we have no way to get there so a raid in the root lands with us trying to fight xal whos trying to get to the heart, or trying to stop etherals from siphioning our world soul, or something we could easily have an etheral raid in the root lands leading us to k'aresh in midnight or we should even have k'aresh and the rootlands especially if rootlands really was mostly finished





elune is clearly also connected to void power like the night warrior, and arcane magic like the Potms use so anyone acting like she's "just a life goddess" is strange to me

But this is some good speculation, I'd love for Elune to be a big snake goddess maybe they could tie that into zul drak in TLT with that huge snake being a manifestation of elunes power called upon by the trolls or something

She is a Life Goddess. The game confirms this. Just because she is connected with other powers, that doesn't automatically mean she is anything else.

She is likely just the embodiment of the lunar aspects of Life.

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What? That's not a Pyromancer theory. We were directly told (before launch) that N'zoth was the one behind Deathwing and then Azshara and her forces were being forced to help out with Deathwing's machinations at launch, while they were helping giant underwater Old God tentacles drain snails in Vashj'ir.

We knew about this during Cata I thought.

[Hitei]

We knew about this during Cata I thought.

That's what I'm saying. Before Cata launch (at Blizzcon) we were told that N'zoth was the one "signing Deathwing's checks" (the first time "N'zoth" was even said?), and then in Cata, Azshara and the Naga were working alongside Deathwing's forces, running interference on Malf and helping the Twilight's Hammer in Vashj'ir. So we knew in Cata that N'zoth was almost certainly the Old God that Azshara made a deal with, and we saw in Vashj'ir that there were giant tentacles below the ocean floor.

[Joshuaj]

Exactly. Dunno why they thought it was only a speculated subject pre-BFA.

[Enrif]

K’aresh did once have a world-soul, but it was consumed—likely by Dimensius the All-Devouring. So Dimensius didn’t just destroy K’aresh; he devoured its world-soul entirely.

i don't think we should assume that K'aresh had a world soul yet. We only know it had something similar to the Radiant Song. And the Radiant Song is not yet clearly identified to be from Azeroth's World Soul.

And if TWW should have thought us one thing so far, is that ingame characters are wrong in their assumptions. Like Alleria and Gallywix were wrong about Azir bringing the Dark Heart to Xal.

And currently we as players don't know for sure either. There is enough evidence that the Radiant Song might be from Beledar and Hymosul or similar crystals. Also, the only time we saw "Azeroth" (the glowing ball of fire) was during Orweynas cutscene right below Beledar. And the ball of fire fits more with the Arathi's sacred flame worship of the light.

Then there are the quotes of Anduin about seeing the Radiant Song when entering Hallowfall or the comment of the Light Remnants of Beledar being similar to Azerite.

While the weekly disk quest claim that the Crystals are "just" calcified World Soul essence, that claim is not proven yet either.

But, what do we know? We have events in the TWW zones were we witness memories of ages passt (like the pre-patch event). We also have something very similar on sirene isle, were it is clearly related to the crystal, not the world soul.

We also know that Xal'atath drew energy from Beledar, and we have not seen anything that shows that she wants to go deeper to Azeroths core.


If i look at these things and the things we actually know, i am still of the opinion that the whole Radiant Song is a red herring that doesn't tie into the World Soul directly, but to the crystals of light (which may or may not be related to world souls, like the shards of lights origin story from chronicles).

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There is on thing that gave me an idea just as i wrote my last post.

The Arathi claim that their Sacred Fire is of Light and Arcane. And i always found that weird. Why arcane? How does that relate to Sacred Fire?

But then i rumbled in my mind: Let's assume Beledar is Light (Naaru) related, wouldn't it be completely Light aligned? But perhaps the Story of the crystalline Thraegar, with earthen being influenced by Azeroth, what if that happend also to the Beledar? But since it is so different to other beings, and already made out of crystal, it as a pure being of light, gained the aspect of arcane, causing the Sacred Fire to be their embodiment. Which might also clue us in, why it might have looked to the Titans as being of the world soul essence.

And at least that is something we can take for true for the titan disks, is that there are multiple such crystals around azeroth. Perhaps a very big one or a lot of them next to the Arathi empire? Which ties it back to the Story about the heretics. We know the earthen Thraegar rebelled against the titans next to single crystal. If there were bigger or more of these crystals in the Arathi empire, amplifying the effects of the Thraeger rebellion, than that land would be filled with heretics to the titan cause.

[Eldryth]

i don't think we should assume that K'aresh had a world soul yet. We only know it had something similar to the Radiant Song. And the Radiant Song is not yet clearly identified to be from Azeroth's World Soul.

Yes, it is, unless you assume that everything Magni heard in previous expansions also wasn't Azeroth.

Magni already communed with Azeroth and confirmed at the very start of the expansion- in the very first quest, not counting the ones available pre-launch- that it was the Azeroth he knows. That it was so much stronger on him once he listened because of their connection. I'm not sure what more they could do to confirm it beyond the one guy who's been speaking to Azeroth for years confirming it.

[Pyrophax]

K’aresh did once have a world-soul, but it was consumed—likely by Dimensius the All-Devouring. So Dimensius didn’t just destroy K’aresh; he devoured its world-soul entirely.

I think Dimensius is K’aresh Worldsoul, just twisted by Void powers. Or aligned with it from the start, just like Amanthul with Order powers and Eonar with Life (my tinfoil hat theory)

[Enrif]

Yes, it is, unless you assume that everything Magni heard in previous expansions also wasn't Azeroth.

Magni already communed with Azeroth and confirmed at the very start of the expansion- in the very first quest, not counting the ones available pre-launch- that it was the Azeroth he knows. That it was so much stronger on him once he listened because of their connection. I'm not sure what more they could do to confirm it beyond the one guy who's been speaking to Azeroth for years confirming it.

Like i said. TWW had multiple characters misunderstand what they think they knew. Magni didn't heard azeroth for some time. And the moment he hears her again, he gets such a massive backlash, he nearly dies. Something doesn't add up here.

And we know that Magni did not hear the Radiant Song, while Anduin, Jaina, Thrall and many others did. Instead Magni had to plug himself into a Titan Machine to directly go to Azeroth.

There might be some misunderstanding who hears what and we shouldn't assume everything is the same. Like people took Alleria at face value when she claimed the ethereals in Undermine worked for Xal, and that was wrong.

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I think Dimensius is K’aresh Worldsoul, just twisted by Void powers. Or aligned with it from the start, just like Amanthul with Order powers and Eonar with Life (my tinfoil hat theory)

This would go against the story of Sargeras, where he feared a world soul would be conquered by the void. If a world soul would have fallen to the void so long ago, or even be one from the starts, then Sargeras crusade against all live should have been focused on Dimensius, not Azeroth.

[Pyrophax]

This would go against the story of Sargeras, where he feared a world soul would be conquered by the void. If a world soul would have fallen to the void so long ago, or even be one from the starts, then Sargeras crusade against all live should have been focused on Dimensius, not Azeroth.

Point is - IF he knows about it. Cosmos is to wide even for him.

[Enrif]

Point is - IF he knows about it. Cosmos is to wide even for him.

given that Ethereals were on Argus, the Legions home base, yeah, i think he would have heard about it.

[Pyrophax]

given that Ethereals were on Argus, the Legions home base, yeah, i think he would have heard about it.

Ethereals were on Argus on Mac'Aree Eredath zone, place where Legion didn't go for whatever reason. And they came here only recently, not like they were here for 20k+ years.
And btw if he heard about it =/= know where it is. I don't think Ethereals just go to Sargeras "Yo dude, we heard you don't like Void, would it be funny that our world reborned into Void titan? Cool, huh?"

[Enrif]

Ethereals were on Argus on Mac'Aree Eredath zone, place where Legion didn't go for whatever reason. And they came here only recently, not like they were here for 20k+ years.
And btw if he heard about it =/= know where it is. I don't think Ethereals just go to Sargeras "Yo dude, we heard you don't like Void, would it be funny that our world reborned into Void titan? Cool, huh?"

Etherals were also on Outland next to active legion minions (including Kael'thas blood elves) and they are likely all over the universe. It is hard to believe that the fate of K'aresh wouldn't be known among the legion

[Eldryth]

We've consistently been told that only small fragments of the Void Lords have managed to enter the physical world, and it would completely undermine the Void's story if that turned out to be a lie. If they've actually reached that point years ago, and nothing came of it, then it makes the Void far less of a threat than we've been told all these years, and ruin Midnight's stakes.

In fact, it's implied that the manifestation of Dimensius that we killed in Burning Crusade was the same one that destroyed K'aresh (since we're told that the Ethereum on Outland had been tracking him). Hardly a universe-threatening god.

It makes far more sense to assume that Dimensius outright devoured K'aresh (as his name suggests) rather than corrupting it. Void Lords supposedly have different agendas, after all- there's a good chance he's less of a threat than the other Void Lords because he just wants to consume everything he can when the opportunity arises, not trying to manifest in full. Which could also explain why he keeps popping up unlike the others (on K'aresh, Karkora, and Outland at least)- he's not waiting for a chance at true victory, just using whatever small opening he can find to send a fragment of himself out to feast.


Maybe they'll use Dimensius as the threat anyway as the most recognizable Void Lord, but I'm starting to think it might fit better for a different Void Lord to take over- one who is actually determined to manifest completely.

[Pheraz]

I mean - we do know fairly certainly (per datamining) that Season 3 will be Ethereal related because of the PvP items. That tied with the “ethereal raid” icons.

I personally no longer think we’re gonna deal with the rootlands in a major patch this expansion, if at all.

I would appreciate this change because I really do not like those troll elfs and their whole vibe (and the females dont have the elf model.... only the face....) but it is kind of weird IMHO to ditch this story arch. Could be some artifact from the previous lore team maybe and the new one decided it is not exiting enough. And this karesh thing with the trailer was def. more exiting

[Foolicious]

Etherals were also on Outland next to active legion minions (including Kael'thas blood elves) and they are likely all over the universe. It is hard to believe that the fate of K'aresh wouldn't be known among the legion

Also let's not forget that our dear friend locus walker was captured and interrogated by the legion when alleria found him. Not too far fetched to think that he wasn't the only one and they got their hands on some less powerful ones in the eons of their existence.

[Joshuaj]

i don't think we should assume that K'aresh had a world soul yet. We only know it had something similar to the Radiant Song. And the Radiant Song is not yet clearly identified to be from Azeroth's World Soul.

And if TWW should have thought us one thing so far, is that ingame characters are wrong in their assumptions. Like Alleria and Gallywix were wrong about Azir bringing the Dark Heart to Xal.

And currently we as players don't know for sure either. There is enough evidence that the Radiant Song might be from Beledar and Hymosul or similar crystals. Also, the only time we saw "Azeroth" (the glowing ball of fire) was during Orweynas cutscene right below Beledar. And the ball of fire fits more with the Arathi's sacred flame worship of the light.

Then there are the quotes of Anduin about seeing the Radiant Song when entering Hallowfall or the comment of the Light Remnants of Beledar being similar to Azerite.

While the weekly disk quest claim that the Crystals are "just" calcified World Soul essence, that claim is not proven yet either.

But, what do we know? We have events in the TWW zones were we witness memories of ages passt (like the pre-patch event). We also have something very similar on sirene isle, were it is clearly related to the crystal, not the world soul.

We also know that Xal'atath drew energy from Beledar, and we have not seen anything that shows that she wants to go deeper to Azeroths core.


If i look at these things and the things we actually know, i am still of the opinion that the whole Radiant Song is a red herring that doesn't tie into the World Soul directly, but to the crystals of light (which may or may not be related to world souls, like the shards of lights origin story from chronicles).

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There is on thing that gave me an idea just as i wrote my last post.

The Arathi claim that their Sacred Fire is of Light and Arcane. And i always found that weird. Why arcane? How does that relate to Sacred Fire?

But then i rumbled in my mind: Let's assume Beledar is Light (Naaru) related, wouldn't it be completely Light aligned? But perhaps the Story of the crystalline Thraegar, with earthen being influenced by Azeroth, what if that happend also to the Beledar? But since it is so different to other beings, and already made out of crystal, it as a pure being of light, gained the aspect of arcane, causing the Sacred Fire to be their embodiment. Which might also clue us in, why it might have looked to the Titans as being of the world soul essence.

And at least that is something we can take for true for the titan disks, is that there are multiple such crystals around azeroth. Perhaps a very big one or a lot of them next to the Arathi empire? Which ties it back to the Story about the heretics. We know the earthen Thraegar rebelled against the titans next to single crystal. If there were bigger or more of these crystals in the Arathi empire, amplifying the effects of the Thraeger rebellion, than that land would be filled with heretics to the titan cause.

Wouldn't the Ethereals having similar events to the Radiant Song imply a worldsoul existing in of itself?

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Ethereals were on Argus on Mac'Aree Eredath zone, place where Legion didn't go for whatever reason. And they came here only recently, not like they were here for 20k+ years.
And btw if he heard about it =/= know where it is. I don't think Ethereals just go to Sargeras "Yo dude, we heard you don't like Void, would it be funny that our world reborned into Void titan? Cool, huh?"

Funny enough, Sargeras only fears this possibility. It's entirely likely Dimensius probably doesn't want to corrupt a Worldsoul.

Given his nature, I think it's entirely possible he absorbed the Worldsoul's essence (Think what Zovaal did in the mythic phase of his fight, but on a much greater scale), and he's absorbing matter from within the planets core, namely as a means of powering up.

[Enrif]

Wouldn't the Ethereals having similar events to the Radiant Song imply a worldsoul existing in of itself?

only if the radiant song comes from the world soul. from evidence so far, it could be very well not coming from the soul but the crystals