The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

They removed dinars from raid renown. Love that we're getting more mounts, but was excited about the dinars. Bummer.

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Music build!


edit: its perfect

Release candidate build! Could it possibly be the 18th...?

[Cheezits]

They removed dinars from raid renown. Love that we're getting more mounts, but was excited about the dinars. Bummer.

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Release candidate build! Could it possibly be the 18th...?

There's definitely going to be a reason, they don't get rid stuff that hyped.

[Eldryth]

There's definitely going to be a reason, they don't get rid stuff that hyped.

Hopefully. If they're moving it to another source that isn't timegated so badly that it'd take months to get them, then great! But removing something that everyone was looking forward to right before release seems like a terrible idea.

[Cheezits]

Ten bucks they are just changing it to a quest like the original dinar system, needing you to kill a certain number of bosses.

[JDBlou]

Ya like Jazz?

[Joshuaj]

Ya like Jazz?

Lemme guess, music?

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Hey, quick question. So, with the whole Private Neighborhood stuff, does that mean Blizzard will give players the option to live on their own?

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Like, they can get a private Neighborhood, and they don't have to bring anyone else in? Or do they need a set amount of folks to get one?

[Ersula]

Release candidate build! Could it possibly be the 18th...?

Sure. It might be the season that actually starts on the 25th so the Timewalking rewards would still give Palace Heroic gear.

[JDBlou]

Lemme guess, music?

Indeed, Gallywix fight mix is quite nice. Music to each cartel and their area, I'm partial to Blackwater because it's got a nice blend of the Kul Tiran/Piratey hurdy gurdy jaunty sort of musical progressions mixed with standard goblin fare.

[Joshuaj]

Indeed, Gallywix fight mix is quite nice. Music to each cartel and their area, I'm partial to Blackwater because it's got a nice blend of the Kul Tiran sort of musical progressions mixed with standard goblin fare.

The Jazz is peak

[JDBlou]

The Jazz is peak

100%, I was waiting on the music but this patch is shaping up to just be something else.

[Cheezits]

Dinars are being moved to a currently unannounced part off 11.1.

Really, really happy they didn't go for Undermine to be too "silly".

[Scyth]

Very weird to remove the dinars from the renown so close to release. Wonder what they will do with them instead. Hopefully they listened to feedback that they weren't going to be very useful this late in the raid and will make them more easily obtainable.

[Cheezits]

Very weird to remove the dinars from the renown so close to release. Wonder what they will do with them instead. Hopefully they listened to feedback that they weren't going to be very useful this late in the raid and will make them more easily obtainable.

Honestly feel like they are hiding a big dinar overhaul that's meant as a pre-launch surprise to get people hooked. The dinar thing has been there since day one so they definitely had time to pivot.

[Hitei]

Yes the plural means a minimum of two, congratulations. I still don't see why you think we'll be limited to 2 per account.

In a game like WoW? With dozens of different races? Where we can have fifty or so characters per account? It sounds like a terrible idea, and so far there's nothing to suggest it.

Because, as mentioned in a previous post, each additional plot means another space in a neighborhood, and the more slots people are given, the more any given neighborhood becomes a ghost town. They said that maintaining the social aspect is a core pillar of the system, and you don't maintain the social aspect by giving people 50 housing slots.

Consider that every additional plot undermines social interaction by a significant factor. Most people probably play at least 2 characters. So if you give people 2 plots, they will probably stay on top of those two plots, visit them frequently, update and change them, etc. You have neighborhoods that are active, you meet your neighbors and form new friendships (this is what Blizzard wants, a sense of persistent community).

Say, instead, that you give each player 5 plots. The majority of players probably don't really, actively keep up with more than 3 characters in any given season, but let's (generously) say that every player in the game actively plays 4 different characters each week. The 5th slot, people grab it and they maybe make some changes to the house and then that alt mostly goes unplayed. They log on maybe once a month, or they use it only to craft pots and it sits parked in 12.0's city. It's just one slot, no big deal, right?

Except that's one slot per person. Now 1 in 5 houses in every neighborhood is empty. It's not a person you can interact with and have a social experience with, it's a secondary alt and that person isn't around much. Say you give people 10 slots. Now suddenly that 1 in 5 is 6 in 10. Most of every neighborhood is made up of empty, unchanging houses claimed by peoples random unplayed alts, you've never seen most of your neighbors, because most of those characters haven't been logged onto in weeks, let alone gone to their house.

It undermines the pillar, so it's probably unlikely that we'll get a whole bunch of housing slots unless the way that it works is that all your account's houses are set to a single plot--and as also explained in that previous post--this causes its own problems because it somewhat compromises privacy by making it readily apparent who has what alts, and also means that every house in each neighborhood is just constantly blinking through different decorations and versions as people log on and off of alts.

[Joshuaj]

1:04 and beyond man...

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[Scyth]

The Undermine music is amazing, they've done a great job again. The Gallywix one in particular is 10/10.

[Joshuaj]

Dude some of these Jazz musicians are Whiplash tier wtaf???

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The only other time I could say this was with Cuphead.

[Cheezits]

Honestly between the upbeat vibes of the patch (despite the story being serious), the sheer disconnect from (most of) the expansion and the return to Old Azeroth, I'll take this patch as the kickoff to TWS.

This may have been the "sorry" patch after Shadowlands but I'm glad they took a simpler expansion to iron out systems first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8asb0YGHUk

The Venture Co theme music even is based off the Motherlode, which was a Venture Co operation!

[Daniri]

It undermines the pillar, so it's probably unlikely that we'll get a whole bunch of housing slots unless the way that it works is that all your account's houses are set to a single plot--and as also explained in that previous post--this causes its own problems because it somewhat compromises privacy by making it readily apparent who has what alts, and also means that every house in each neighborhood is just constantly blinking through different decorations and versions as people log on and off of alts.

Even if this were a real concern, the thing to limit would be the amount of houses you're allowed to have in public neighborhoods, not the amount you can have period. But I think we both know the people we're talking about are mostly going to be in private neighborhoods, anyway. And nothing is going to undermine the pillar more than private neighborhoods already will.

[enexa]

so it's probably unlikely that we'll get a whole bunch of housing slots unless the way that it works is that all your account's houses are set to a single plot--and as also explained in that previous post--this causes its own problems because it somewhat compromises privacy by making it readily apparent who has what alts, and also means that every house in each neighborhood is just constantly blinking through different decorations and versions as people log on and off of alts.

One house for one account (Edit: Maybe two houses for one account - one alliance, one horde)! You build it with any character. If you log in with your alt and it's another race or faction, nothing should change. You and everyone else would see the same house you've build with your main.

"compromises privacy by making it readily apparent who has what alts"

I'd happily take that tradeoff for more simplicity. Edit: would also mean more lively housing areas.