The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

I could see it being multiple phases too

Phase 1 : Gather and relocate NPCs to help with reconstruction

Phase 2 : Help build certain projects like at port in Orgimmar or an airyard in SW, etc

Phase 3 : Rewarded a plot of land and a house for your help, community events and collecting various decorations for your house

This would be an incredible, incredible way to address the introduction of housing. Each phase can have various quests/weeklies that reward whatever currency is currently in play for housing, teach the players building blueprints, etc.

At the end we have already gathered a good amount of furniture and possible currency/resources for housing, access to the neighborhoods and our housing plots, and fully revamped Durotar/Elwynn that we helped build.

Pure head cannon, but man it'd be cool.

[Sondrelk]

10.1.7 had the dreamsurge event. idk if 11.1.7 is going to have something similar. also, mop classic should be released before july 31th. maybe they're taking that into consideration

Fair point. Though Dreamsurges were very anemic anyways. So I wouldnt assume the features in 11.1.5 are being stretched out to compensate. Seems to me like content of that nature would be easy to make.
Of course, if Blizzard isnt having one in 11.1.7 because Dreamsurges were considered kinda trash, then I could see that. There were definite complaints during DF of too many pointless events.

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I could see it being multiple phases too

Phase 1 : Gather and relocate NPCs to help with reconstruction

Phase 2 : Help build certain projects like at port in Orgimmar or an airyard in SW, etc

Phase 3 : Rewarded a plot of land and a house for your help, community events and collecting various decorations for your house

Sounds like a good idea to me. Something substantive to do in the current version of the cities. And which could easily be scrapped during Midnight once housing is properly available and the developers don't want to hear complaints of having to unlock what should be a base feature like transmog.

[Reive]

Fair point. Though Dreamsurges were very anemic anyways. So I wouldnt assume the features in 11.1.5 are being stretched out to compensate. Seems to me like content of that nature would be easy to make.
Of course, if Blizzard isnt having one in 11.1.7 because Dreamsurges were considered kinda trash, then I could see that. There were definite complaints during DF of too many pointless events.

dreamsurges were fine but felt pointless and repetitive after having time rifts in patch 10.1.5. i have this feeling patch 11.1.7 is going to have so little content it could actually be scrapped it if it weren't for the roadmap. mop classic, midnight reveal and patch 11.2 will be the big "hits" of the summer

[Dvalin]

While I get why people are desperate for an EK revamp, I think the approach they are going with is way more interesting. Rescaling Quel'thalas hopefully means towns and settlements actually feel like people live there and not just a collection of 3 buildings. Hopefully it sets a good precedent for when they eventually do get to rebuilding the old continents

Oh I definitely agree! The design-team never disappoints. They'll find a way to make Quel'thalas a much more detailled and interesting place than we currently know. With enough (visual) variety, as we've come te expect.

[Reive]

I could see it being multiple phases too

Phase 1 : Gather and relocate NPCs to help with reconstruction

Phase 2 : Help build certain projects like at port in Orgimmar or an airyard in SW, etc

Phase 3 : Rewarded a plot of land and a house for your help, community events and collecting various decorations for your house

would be amazing but i doubt it's going to happen tbh

[Sondrelk]

would be amazing but i doubt it's going to happen tbh

I could see it, honestly. A bunch of very basic and bare-bones questlines where you gather wood and help stonemasons build foundations or stuff.

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Oh I definitely agree! The design-team never disappoints. They'll find a way to make Quel'thalas a much more detailled and interesting place than we currently know. With enough (visual) variety, as we've come te expect.

It's certainly possible. I just don't see why they would do that when it's easier to make Quel'thalas everything it should have been during TBC. And then use the adjacent zones in Northern EK for variety.

[Khaza-R]

would be amazing but i doubt it's going to happen tbh

Its mostly wishful thinking of course, but at the same time I've been scratching my head around figuring out how housing would be an entire event.

While housing is going to be popular no doubt, I think they realize not everyone is going to engage with it. But revamping OG and SW which they've hinted at, makes the event truly for everyone. And giving people a sort of starter house makes them more likely to engage with it in the future even if they were ambivalenta bout it to begin with.

[Holdodlig]

You act like those assets won't be used for Midnight and The Last Titan LMAO

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Ffs, the HD Alliance Inn building just looks an updated version of the Valgarde Tavern, or something like that.

There's been revamped assets of Alliance buildings that slept in the datafiles since BFA, a period when Hazzikostas said in an interview that Blizzard was merely planning content for the current expac (which was proven in WoD with the cut of half the content, in Legion with the change of direction leading us to Argus and again in BFA with the removal of a lot of stuff such as Azshara mentions in SoB or N'zoth body being visible in Nazjatar) so it's unlikely that they were made with either Midnight or The Last Titan in mind. The "Valgarde Inn" was more likely meant to be the Hearthstone tavern (found in game since patch 8.2.5) and still unused to this point :

https://blog.marlam.in/the-tavern

It's not because some datas are in game that they'll ever be used. It has already been stated that the artists back then made a lot of stuff "just in case" and experimented with existing textures to make new assets, which is why the Tomb of Uther was revamped out of nowhere (and this even led people to speculate that there was going to be a Warfront in the Plaguelands) . I'm still waiting for Azshara Basin or Mulgore Warfront.

[Marlamin]

The "Valgarde Inn" was more likely meant to be the Hearthstone tavern (found in game since patch 8.2.5) and still unused to this point :

https://blog.marlam.in/the-tavern

Definitely not the right interpretation of that blog post, this part specifically is just about that inn model:

One of those models that really fits the vibe I'm going for is the Frontier Inn model that was added in Dragonflight. This model, like the tavern, hasn't been used in the game and I'm assuming it is from an earlier phase of Dragonflight development where the initial settlement was more human-themed (there's a few more WMOs that point to this as well).

[Sondrelk]

dreamsurges were fine but felt pointless and repetitive after having time rifts in patch 10.1.5. i have this feeling patch 11.1.7 is going to have so little content it could actually be scrapped it if it weren't for the roadmap. mop classic, midnight reveal and patch 11.2 will be the big "hits" of the summer

There is also the last possibility. There isnt a recurring event available every day that is coming in the patch. But instead updates to big picture stuff, holiday events like Brewfest or Timewalking. Stuff like that.
That would explain why the recurring events in 11.1.5 take so long to come out.

[Nymrohd]

Last chance for a ptr build that includes the dinars

[Sondrelk]

Last chance for a ptr build that includes the dinars

At this point I am on board with the theory that it will be tied to Horrific Visions or Duos, and will only be revealed closer to then.
Or they ahve been quietly scrapped. Yes, it would be disappointing to everyone who were expecting them. But I imagine that the developers might have realized what a spanner it threw into gearing for players when they were implicitly expecting a guaranteed piece of loot. Even if it was effectively not going to be useful for progression content at all.

[Dvalin]

I could see it, honestly. A bunch of very basic and bare-bones questlines where you gather wood and help stonemasons build foundations or stuff.

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It's certainly possible. I just don't see why they would do that when it's easier to make Quel'thalas everything it should have been during TBC. And then use the adjacent zones in Northern EK for variety.

Quel'thalas already has the potential for a lot of variety, akin to what we've seen in other expansions:
- Eversong, with the capital of Silvermoon. A beautiful and radiant forest with villages and ruins scattered about, arcane conduits, runestones, etc.
- Quel'danas, under assault by the forces of the void. More 'urban' than Eversong, with the Sunwell at its center. It could have darker themes, as well.
- The Ghostlands, which have partially recovered, even though there are still a handful of Scourge warlords in the southern mountains, as well as evil stirring at the decayed stump of Thas'alah; Deatholme.
- Amani lands, located in the deeper, gloomier forests to the east. With hidden camps, big ziggurats and the capital of Zul'aman itself.

I think they won't go in expecting a full world revamp anytime soon. Quel'thalas =/= Northern Lordaeron.

[Scyth]

10.1.7 had the dreamsurge event. idk if 11.1.7 is going to have something similar. also, mop classic should be released before july 31th. maybe they're taking that into consideration

As someone who really wants to play MoP Classic I sort of hope 11.1.7 doesn't have too much so I can dedicate most of my time to MoP before 11.2. Very selfish, i know

I doubt 11.1.7 will have more than a new questline and the Turbulent Timeways event though.

[milkmustache]

At this point I am on board with the theory that it will be tied to Horrific Visions or Duos, and will only be revealed closer to then.
Or they ahve been quietly scrapped. Yes, it would be disappointing to everyone who were expecting them. But I imagine that the developers might have realized what a spanner it threw into gearing for players when they were implicitly expecting a guaranteed piece of loot. Even if it was effectively not going to be useful for progression content at all.

I really hope that dinars aren't tied to anything but the raid. They're a cool system for bad luck protection when tied to this new renown (or something within the Incontinental) but giving them in other events I think makes the chore list a bit too high. Catchup gear from Visions & Duos is fine I think.

[Dracullus]

I am going to be honest. That sounds awful. Nothing but elves for two years straight.

Wait a minute. You are not prepared for 2 pure elven zone and 1 middle raid tier (assuming Sunwell raid would be more elf than void heavy in the first place) in Midnight after Metzen literally said we are going to Quel'Thalas and band all elven tribes together? It's no brainer that Blood (and all similar) Elves will be Dwarves of next expansion.

And High Elves are faaaar more popular than Dwarves in community, with no real focus since Suramar (I count Nightborne as part of 'civilised' elves theme), I'm aware we had a lot Night Elf aesthetic instead (Val'sharah, Ardenweald, Amirdrassil).

Also, it's likely 18 months not 2 years (of course assuming no schedule fuckups) + I expect middle or final season entirely devoid of elves. If anything there is bigger risk of Void fatigue, that's why I think 11.2 will be Worldcore and anti-void Ethererals and 12.0 or 12.1 Amani specifically to combat that.

Of course, as every expac it won't be 100% elves in any zone either (I predict Forsaken will take Arathi and Amani Nerubian role), zones will be much bigger. Wrath Northrend is huge wasteland so no need for resize (just more detailed and filled with content), but Quel'Thanas will have to be build from scratch.

Last chance for a ptr build that includes the dinars

I understand frustration over lack of communication, but dinar vendor could be done in hotfix, it isn't something that needs to be tested.

[Wyrt]

I find it weird how against blood elf content people are considering the last major blood elf content was for 1 patch in MoP and most of their racial assets and city are still stuck in BC era.

[Dracullus]

Nice, I hated that Undermine is excluded from buff event, but looks like they straight up increase Cartel rep sources by 100%, so at least we can be done with it before next tier.

[Hitei]

I find it weird how against blood elf content people are considering the last major blood elf content was for 1 patch in MoP and most of their racial assets and city are still stuck in BC era.

Being outdated won't make content more attractive to people who don't like that content.

Also. No mention of the Forsaken or Arathi? The Arathi are by all accounts an elven tribe given they are all human elf hybrids. So why wouldn't you mention them in the expansion that seems custom built for the light worshipping nation that wants to fight the void?

For the Nth time: They are not. They outright, explicitly state that they are not Elves. Their ancestors were Elves, just like the Elves' ancestors were Trolls.

[Nymrohd]

Nice, I hated that Undermine is excluded from buff event, but looks like they straight up increase Cartel rep sources by 100%, so at least we can be done with it before next tier.

Yeah, the CHETT alt grind was fucking annoying, much better to be able to go through this with just the quests.