The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I think TLT will actually be pretty feature light versus whatever comes after. Midnight will be big and so will the next saga intro that looks likes it may be Kalimdor focused.

Class halls and Vrykul I can see but nothing crazy.

They will likely have to do level squish and class redesign after TLT. So imo, they should go a bit crazy at the end of it.

[Alanar]

They will likely have to do level squish and class redesign after TLT. So imo, they should go a bit crazy at the end of it.

Since we talking feelings.

I have a feeling the squish might come sooner.

[Nymrohd]

Since we talking feelings.

I have a feeling the squish might come sooner.

I think they said we'd have a squish in Midnight?

[Sondrelk]

Since we talking feelings.

I have a feeling the squish might come sooner.

I think a level squish after TLT makes more sense. Level 100 is a nice round number, as well as TLT generally being a nice capstone to have the level squish on.

There light be issues around talent points. But we only need something for Midnight, and then TLT could be another power fantasy expansion like what Legion was.

[Valysar]

I think they said we'd have a squish in Midnight?

That's the stat squish, not the level squish.

[Worldshaper]

https://youtu.be/h5DejvWyoAQ?t=186

Malorne the Waywatcher, surrounded by what looks like some type of Old God-corruption.

INB4 "the Way" is a new concept, a sort of path for the Void into our world from the real Black Empire or something.

“Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.”
“Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.”

[Cheezits]

https://youtu.be/h5DejvWyoAQ?t=186

Malorne the Waywatcher, surrounded by what looks like some type of Old God-corruption.

INB4 "the Way" is a new concept, a sort of path for the Void into our world from the real Black Empire or something.

“Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.”
“Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.”

That looks specifically like Ilgynoth and his area from the Nightmare.

Would be interesting if they went back to the Rift of Aln as a way for Void to infiltrate, but may be too repetitive of a story beat.

[Raetary]

https://youtu.be/h5DejvWyoAQ?t=186

Malorne the Waywatcher, surrounded by what looks like some type of Old God-corruption.

INB4 "the Way" is a new concept, a sort of path for the Void into our world from the real Black Empire or something.

“Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.”
“Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.”

I get that their Wild God designs are made to look part of each respective class, but damn some of them should become canon.

Malorne and Ursol look majestic.
agamaggan looks great and imposing.

And i like the concept of Aessina controlling a constructed body.

[Joshuaj]

You are looking way too hard to find a problem with something.

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Do not wish that evil upon us!

Meh, I overreacted a bit. Happens. Best not to overthink it.

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https://youtu.be/h5DejvWyoAQ?t=186

Malorne the Waywatcher, surrounded by what looks like some type of Old God-corruption.

INB4 "the Way" is a new concept, a sort of path for the Void into our world from the real Black Empire or something.

“Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.”
“Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.”

1. Hearthstone. Don't connect it to the canon please.

And 2. I LOVE the designs of the Wild Gods here. Lots of Elune-based imagery, as well as imagery that better connects to Troll and Tauren belief (Like Goldrinn and Ohn'ahra).

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Actually fw the supposed lack of Eonar and Freya imagery this expac, tho it definitely does exist in the expac, don't get it twisted.

[Worldshaper]

That looks specifically like Ilgynoth and his area from the Nightmare.

Would be interesting if they went back to the Rift of Aln as a way for Void to infiltrate, but may be too repetitive of a story beat.

Xal'atah when a Shadow Priest interacted with Remnant of the Void inside the Emerald Dreamway, a while back:

"Almost completely gone, as if it never existed. But the rift is deep and vast, and somewhere down there it stirs. Something has changed, the last prison weakens. We must prepare."

Even if the remnant is now gone, this might be relevant somehow? Could just be about N'Zoth's prison, but it could also refer to the Rift or Ny'alotha in general, or a last last prison. The worldsoul? Some uber Old God?

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I get that their Wild God designs are made to look part of each respective class, but damn some of them should become canon.

Malorne and Ursol look majestic.
agamaggan looks great and imposing.

And i like the concept of Aessina controlling a constructed body.

I think the Emerald Dream expansion in Hearthstone looks freaking amazing. Some of those concepts they showed off feel like the nail the aesthetic more than 10.2 did. Maybe it's the cartoony abstract style of it, which could lend itself well to all that cosy greenery. But hot damn.

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Meh, I overreacted a bit. Happens. Best not to overthink it.

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1. Hearthstone. Don't connect it to the canon please.

And 2. I LOVE the designs of the Wild Gods here. Lots of Elune-based imagery, as well as imagery that better connects to Troll and Tauren belief (Like Goldrinn and Ohn'ahra).

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Actually fw the supposed lack of Eonar and Freya imagery this expac, tho it definitely does exist in the expac, don't get it twisted.

Hearthstone is, at least in part, canon. Sure, you're somebody at a tavern on Azeroth, playing with cards. But real lore has appeared in Hearthstone only to then appear in WoW at a later date. Such as Y'shaarj's first sighting.

[Cheezits]

Oh hey, wait, maybe Aln is the fifth god? And it may be tied to Rootlands somehow.

[Eldryth]

https://youtu.be/h5DejvWyoAQ?t=186

Malorne the Waywatcher, surrounded by what looks like some type of Old God-corruption.

INB4 "the Way" is a new concept, a sort of path for the Void into our world from the real Black Empire or something.

“Five keys to open our way. Five torches to light our path.”
“Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way.”

A quick search shows that "the Waywatcher" is a title Malorne's had for a long time, even if it rarely comes up. Which means that, even within this "what if" scenario, the name is not an Old God/Void thing- they just used one of Malorne's existing names.

[Lady Atia]

Meh, I overreacted a bit. Happens. Best not to overthink it.

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1. Hearthstone. Don't connect it to the canon please.

And 2. I LOVE the designs of the Wild Gods here. Lots of Elune-based imagery, as well as imagery that better connects to Troll and Tauren belief (Like Goldrinn and Ohn'ahra).

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Actually fw the supposed lack of Eonar and Freya imagery this expac, tho it definitely does exist in the expac, don't get it twisted.

Oh man, that dream infused slitherdrake looks dope as well, a lot better than the broccoli one we got via the store haha.

Really hoping that they atleast try to collab between the games artwork wise, so that for example the WoW devs could use some of these designs for retail if they want to.

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Xal'atah when a Shadow Priest interacted with Remnant of the Void inside the Emerald Dreamway, a while back:

"Almost completely gone, as if it never existed. But the rift is deep and vast, and somewhere down there it stirs. Something has changed, the last prison weakens. We must prepare."

Even if the remnant is now gone, this might be relevant somehow? Could just be about N'Zoth's prison, but it could also refer to the Rift or Ny'alotha in general, or a last last prison. The worldsoul? Some uber Old God?

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I think the Emerald Dream expansion in Hearthstone looks freaking amazing. Some of those concepts they showed off feel like the nail the aesthetic more than 10.2 did. Maybe it's the cartoony abstract style of it, which could lend itself well to all that cosy greenery. But hot damn.

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Hearthstone is, at least in part, canon. Sure, you're somebody at a tavern on Azeroth, playing with cards. But real lore has appeared in Hearthstone only to then appear in WoW at a later date. Such as Y'shaarj's first sighting.

Tortollans also were originally used in Hearthstone first if I remember it correctly.

[Joshuaj]

Oh hey, wait, maybe Aln is the fifth god? And it may be tied to Rootlands somehow.

Wait there is stuff about Aln?

Also, always assumed the Rift of Aln was a bridge between Azeroth's Dream and Elune's Realm.

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And because said rift is theorized by druids to be "the origin of the Dream" (More specifically Azeroth's Dream), it's corruption VIA the Emerald Nightmare makes it Xavius' playground.

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Oh man, that dream infused slitherdrake looks dope as well, a lot better than the broccoli one we got via the store haha.

Really hoping that they atleast try to collab between the games artwork wise, so that for example the WoW devs could use some of these designs for retail if they want to.

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Tortollans also were originally used in Hearthstone first if I remember it correctly.

I love how fantastical the Wild Gods look! Ngl, their current Hearthstone designs make them more like Life's counterpart of the Keepers/Covenant leaders/Naaru, etc. I fw that heavily!

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Now we just need Blizzard to lock tf in with Disorder.

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Hate that the Legion are the top power of that force rn. Gimme Disorder Lords damn it! Give me chaotic asf demon designs!

Give. Me. Anarchy.

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Xal'atah when a Shadow Priest interacted with Remnant of the Void inside the Emerald Dreamway, a while back:

"Almost completely gone, as if it never existed. But the rift is deep and vast, and somewhere down there it stirs. Something has changed, the last prison weakens. We must prepare."

Even if the remnant is now gone, this might be relevant somehow? Could just be about N'Zoth's prison, but it could also refer to the Rift or Ny'alotha in general, or a last last prison. The worldsoul? Some uber Old God?

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I think the Emerald Dream expansion in Hearthstone looks freaking amazing. Some of those concepts they showed off feel like the nail the aesthetic more than 10.2 did. Maybe it's the cartoony abstract style of it, which could lend itself well to all that cosy greenery. But hot damn.

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Hearthstone is, at least in part, canon. Sure, you're somebody at a tavern on Azeroth, playing with cards. But real lore has appeared in Hearthstone only to then appear in WoW at a later date. Such as Y'shaarj's first sighting.

Xal'atath was talking about N'Zoth. She glazes the Void no matter who does what lmao

[Alanar]

That's the stat squish, not the level squish.

I see. The specific squish wasnt specified. I thought they meant the stat squish or number squish. The level squish is what ever realy imo.

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I think they said we'd have a squish in Midnight?

Thats what I thought, a stat squish no?

[Joshuaj]

"Maybe it's the cartoony abstract style of it, which could lend itself well to all that cosy greenery. But hot damn."

Tbf here, considering they do a lot of what-ifs, and they can explore the Dream in a more full manner compared to DF, you can tell they had more freedom with this stuff as a result. The Dream displaying Elune VIA the moon still is very unique. I don't think this means she isn't somewhere in the Dream, but I do think it means she exists in a place beyond the boundaries of Azeroth's Dream, which makes sense.

[Alanar]

I think a level squish after TLT makes more sense. Level 100 is a nice round number, as well as TLT generally being a nice capstone to have the level squish on.

There light be issues around talent points. But we only need something for Midnight, and then TLT could be another power fantasy expansion like what Legion was.

I agree on that lvl100 capstone as a finnisher for TLT. However, I do think we should see a number squish in between. The numbers are already rediculous as it is imo tho.

[Worldshaper]

A quick search shows that "the Waywatcher" is a title Malorne's had for a long time, even if it rarely comes up. Which means that, even within this "what if" scenario, the name is not an Old God/Void thing- they just used one of Malorne's existing names.

I'm only half-serious, spitballing.

But even if it's an old title, it could mean something. They often go back to old characters and develop what was there into something that fits modern lore. Mueh'zala for example.

He was Elune's lover after all (no clue how that works out practically) so he should be considered to be as important as Eonar imo. Maybe they all worked together. Malorne watching over the Way into the Dream, while Eonar spread the dream's influence on Azeroth, and Elune herself watched over her children and future warriors as they evolved around the Well of Eternity.

[Joshuaj]

I'm only half-serious, spitballing.

But even if it's an old title, it could mean something. They often go back to old characters and develop what was there into something that fits modern lore. Mueh'zala for example.

He was Elune's lover after all (no clue how that works out practically) so he should be considered to be as important as Eonar imo. Maybe they all worked together. Malorne watching over the Way into the Dream, while Eonar spread the dream's influence on Azeroth, and Elune herself watched over her children and future warriors as they evolved around the Well of Eternity.

You know how God made the Virgin Mary pregnant? Think of it like that. Malorne and Elune just conceived of Cenarius VIA a magical means or summ.

Cause otherwise, shit gets awkward and rather against the rules to talk about here.

[Relapses]

Max just did an interview with Scarizard that was pretty great. Holy shit, that guy loves his fucking job.

Sadly, we really didn't learn much of anything other than the fact that:

a.) WoW devs do actually care (like, a lot)
b.) Dinars are coming back in 11.1 at some point (sooner than when it was datamined on the Renown track)