The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I think it's the superior approach. It creates a longer term gameplay loop than just "buy a thing once" and increases the value in old world profession leveling and mat farming.

FFXIV and Runescape also does this, so no harm no foul imo.

[Ersula]

To craft something, players will need not only the required recipe and skill level, but they will also need to gather a new type of decor-crafting specific reagent per-expansion as well as any required reagents from that expansion.

seems like a bit of a contradiction to give a hardline-yes to getting furnishings from feats of strength & previous expansions crafting skills, but also a hardline-no to doing so from previous expansions other achievements.

Do they feel doing old raids is good enough for mount, transmog & pet hunters, but not furnishing collectors?

[Foolicious]

Probably a nothingburger, but there is a lore book about the founding of flame's radiance that is talking about an arathi empress fighting in the age of "turmoil and strife". Is there any event on azeroth in the last 3k years or so that this could refer to?

[Nightshade711]

Probably a nothingburger, but there is a lore book about the founding of flame's radiance that is talking about an arathi empress fighting in the age of "turmoil and strife". Is there any event on azeroth in the last 3k years or so that this could refer to?

IF they are on Avaloren after all - they could be referring to Odyn trying to send some titanforged to take the island/continent(?) but failing.

[Toho]

Is the expansion almost over? I am so checked out

[Nymrohd]

Btw if they want us to farm crafting reagents at old expansions, I hope they also find a way to give us gathering while mounted in all old zones. And yes I know, Sky Golem but it gives me motion sickness

[Sondrelk]

Is the expansion almost over? I am so checked out

We are right about the halfway point. Maybe closer to two thirds if you count Legion Remix as something beyond this expansion.

This is always the worst part of an expansion anyways. Just take a break to do other stuff. Trying to play through burnout will never work out.

[Toho]

We are right about the halfway point. Maybe closer to two thirds if you count Legion Remix as something beyond this expansion.

This is always the worst part of an expansion anyways. Just take a break to do other stuff. Trying to play through burnout will never work out.

Oh I haven't played in a long time. Other games keep me busy if I have time to play, but somehow I always come back to this train wreck and see what's the latest.

For the amount of time Warcraft demands neither the story or gameplay justify it anymore.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Is the expansion almost over? I am so checked out

Technically speaking we have 115 days (3 months and 24 days) until Midnights Reveal. (give or take 1-2 days, depending on if its OGN or its own specific event)

So yes, it is almost over. Obviously, there isn't much confidence but at least the crumbs of greatness we can get from Midnight is far greater than this railroaded expansion to exit even if also there's a lot more damage and lack of care to be done in Midnight.

At least it seems unless we get heel turned by Warcraft Team that K'aresh will at least be a high point as we go into the most selling World of Warcraft expansion of all time.

[Dracullus]

It's so strange you arent tired of this "WoW is in worst state evah last 5-10-15 years, but somehow I'm invested in it's future" bit. I must live in a very strange bubble since I see universal praise for Undermine, including people who hated S1.

[Joshuaj]

It's so strange you arent tired of this "WoW is in worst state evah last 5-10-15 years, but somehow I'm invested in it's future" bit. I must live in a very strange bubble since I see universal praise for Undermine, including people who hated S1.

Fr tho...

It's been this way for the longest time, mind you. I remember people saying this stuff in late Wrath, Cata, MoP, WoD, Legion, BFA, SL, and Dragonflight. WoD and SL were the only times these complaints had merit, but even then, those folks were VERY dramatic and everything. Like, you'd think it was the fucking rapture, with how people were doing some "great exodus" to FFXIV. It's so corny man...

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I don't much care for TWW either, and I definitely have my issues with it, but my goodness don't play the expac if you don't fw it. And Ik damn well some of y'all are gonna complain the same way in Midnight and TLT. It's just inevitable.

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I mean, the only issue I really have is the story and the lack of interest from the Warcraft Team in their intellectual property these days unlike prior. Especially since they marketed this as a MCU style phase and we're at a borderline elementary school level writing with no clear feedback or video essays for improvements existing on the wider internet which means that things are going to stay in this poor quality for the duration of the saga. So in the end it will just mean that it is a meandering pointless eyeroll whenever they keep marketing it going forward in interviews because its' just not actual object reality that they are presenting.

Things have improved quite drastically to me in every other avenue. I just need something happening in-universe again and well the Midnight Cinematic could at least re-engage me in that sense unless something actually happens on K'aresh or in the Final Patch of this expansion. I'm looking for crumbs to refuel me, nothing else really.

I don't really have any game design issues or really economical model issues other than I'd like them to be more focused on the Core Storyline of each expansion if they have to have this 2 Major/6 Minor structure.

Hell, I didn't even mind the QA issues when they first become apparent with the Anniversary Update in 11.0.5. I thought people were being hysterical at the time. Even now I still think its kind of whatever but I am a bit more awarre about the QA being this poor and finding it at least curious.

"Unlike prior"

Dawg our prior expacs involved WoD, SL, BFA, and Cata. Tf do you mean?

[Darkarath]

I mean, the only issue I really have is the story and the lack of interest from the Warcraft Team in their intellectual property these days unlike prior. Especially since they marketed this as a MCU style phase and we're at a borderline elementary school level writing with no clear feedback or video essays for improvements existing. So in the end it will just mean that it is a meandering pointless eyeroll whenever they keep marketing it.

I think that you are not being fair.

11.0 questing and story experience was, at least for me, the best ever. Not the more interesting or epic, but overall I feel that it was really good. Not saying that they cannot improve, though.

Then we got the patches. Nothing in 11.0.5, decent worldbuilding in 11.0.7, and a really nice and fun story in 11.1, although it is fair to say that it doesn't do a lot to advance the main narrative or characters. Then nothing again in 11.1.5.

IMO, every patch needs to have story content, and far more of it. Blizzard has amazing characters and places to tell stories, and it seems so afraid of using them. For example, something like the Blue Dragonflight questline in DF should be the norm for every patch, not the exception.

But I am increasingly concerned about TWW's story (not about other areas of the game, I'm having an amazing time with WoW). We still know nothing about Xal'athat. We still know nothing about the Beledar. These two narrative plots need to be taken care of within this expansion, and time is running out.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, I don't see this "unknown" (Unknown characters, Unknown McGuffin in the A Plot) issue going away anytime soon. They just can't really do anything about it. At least, it feels that way.

I really liked the Base Expansions Story until the Dark Heart got damaged and realized they were just going to use the Dark Heart to circumvent the entire concept of The War Within by using fan favorite locations to get us to Midnight. It just felt a bit cheap.

Undermine(d)'s campaign was also pretty great even if again there is the issue of lack of context on some of the characters actions and happenstance.

I just worry that the A Plot will continue in this extremely slow fashion with no characterization and no real events taking place that can refuel the enthusiasm for the franchise.

[Joshuaj]

Unknown issue????

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So you don't even know wtf the problem is?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I wonder if they reimplement those titles or not in 11.1.5, its interesting how it feels like they just had to let go and move onwards to 11.1.7.

I am hopeful that we do get a more finished Cooldown Manager in the next updates since I do really appreciate them trying to at least make the Base UI good enough.

[Makabreska]

Once again same "worried about the state of the game" peeps suddenly activating here when retail is starting to have any kinds of trouble (11.1.5 mild reception).

[Toho]

It's so strange you arent tired of this "WoW is in worst state evah last 5-10-15 years, but somehow I'm invested in it's future" bit. I must live in a very strange bubble since I see universal praise for Undermine, including people who hated S1.

This probably doesn't apply to me, or you misunderstood me. My bubble was burst back in BFA and beginning of shadowlands. I just don't have it in me anymore and the story that had me hooked was taken to the back of barn and shot in the face. Whatever that has been happening since is the continuous defilement of its corpse and while tragic it does make me stare in morbid curiosity couple times a year.

There is just so many other games out there like BG3, KCD2 and now Clair Obscure that are more interesting and enjoyable to spend my time on rather than... whatever WoW is now.
Still getting flooded by WoW adds though wherever I go.

[Khaza-R]

This probably doesn't apply to me, or you misunderstood me. My bubble was burst back in BFA and beginning of shadowlands. I just don't have it in me anymore and the story that had me hooked was taken to the back of barn and shot in the face. Whatever that has been happening since is the continuous defilement of its corpse and while tragic it does make me stare in morbid curiosity couple times a year.

There is just so many other games out there like BG3, KCD2 and now Clair Obscure that are more interesting and enjoyable to spend my time on rather than... whatever WoW is now.
Still getting flooded by WoW adds though wherever I go.

Seems like you acknowledged WoW isn't for you anymore yet keep returning. A bit bizarre don't you think?

[Toho]

Seems like you acknowledged WoW isn't for you anymore yet keep returning. A bit bizarre don't you think?

Why? I go about my day for many many months and one moment I remember wow still exists and I am curious what's happening.
You never get curious about something you used to like or are nostalgic about?

[Reive]

people underestimated how many people played the start of shadowlands, and now they're underestimating how many people play tww. game is far from dead but blizzard needs to manage patch releases better. having so many bugs at the start of every patch is starting to get annoying