The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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No, he can't, because we kill him.

Again, I don't think typical rules of chronology apply here. The Bronze Dragonflight seem to be somewhat parachronological in nature, so it's possible that the retroactive transformation of Nozdormu would just result in the timeline rearranging itself after the fact or even just cause the events of both timelines to happen at once.

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I never said it isn't stupid. But it's in line with the usual saturday morning cartoon shenanigans in WoW.

Sure thing

This is wholly irrelevant to the point that was being made and the discussion at hand, anyway. Though my example was highly subjective at best, I was trying to illustrate different sides of Darkarath's point in acknowledgement that his concern had precedent. Further discussion about that topic is meaningless.

[Cheezits]

Idk after looking at it again, I just dont see the point tho. We have already seen what will happen. Maybe he will, maybe he wont, it doesnt really matter in the end.

I hope we see Nozdormu moving forward with the Bronze and not Chromie.

There isn't enough build up with Chromie this expansion, she's basically a side character compared to Noz. Even Soridormu, Nozdormu's wife, gets sweeping characterization.

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There isn't enough build up with Chromie this expansion, she's basically a side character compared to Noz. Even Soridormu, Nozdormu's wife, gets sweeping characterization.

Au contraire, I think Chromie has had plenty of build-up and characterization thus far; it's just that said characterization is exceedingly cutesy, and I would personally detest the idea of Chromie being placed in a position to potentially export said cutesiness to places where it's unwanted.

[Ersula]

No, he can't, because we kill him.

The Murazond we see in End Time... that is his END point. Not his START POINT. Nozdormu whole's anxiety this expansion is he is fearing that the point where he turns into Murazond is coming soon. That would be Murazond's START POINT. Because he can travel in time he could do any number of things in any order he wanted before the events of the End Time Dungeon.

From his perspective, it would be:

Nozdormu becomes Murazond -> Murzond creates the Infinite Dragonflight -> The Infinite attack various points in the timeline -> Murazond is killed in End Time

[Aeluron Lightsong]

There isn't enough build up with Chromie this expansion, she's basically a side character compared to Noz. Even Soridormu, Nozdormu's wife, gets sweeping characterization.

Soridormu is far better then Chromie if those were the choices. Ideally Anachronos is best.

[Skildar]

This is wholly irrelevant to the point that was being made and the discussion at hand, anyway. Though my example was highly subjective at best, I was trying to illustrate different sides of Darkarath's point in acknowledgement that his concern had precedent. Further discussion about that topic is meaningless.

It's not even subjective, like I said earlier : you're putting the responsibility of the bad writing on a misinterpretation from the players in an example when it is not the case. When there are for sure examples to convey your point that are far more relevant in my opinion. The simplest I guess would be BfA introduction completely skipping the fact that Saurfang truly is the one starting the war hand in hand with Sylvanas. In the end it comes down to poor narration for different reasons, but I was a bit upset that you would attack some players that got a bit annoyed at the Tyrande-Malfurion legion moment when they are right to be.

[Revamp Man]

The Murazond we see in End Time... that is his END point. Not his START POINT. Nozdormu whole's anxiety this expansion is he is fearing that the point where he turns into Murazond is coming soon. That would be Murazond's START POINT. Because he can travel in time he could do any number of things in any order he wanted before the events of the End Time Dungeon.

From his perspective, it would be:

Nozdormu becomes Murazond -> Murzond creates the Infinite Dragonflight -> The Infinite attack various points in the timeline -> Murazond is killed in End Time

People just need to Google dr who river song

The first time we meet him is his last
The last time we meet him is his first

He can literally show up at any point in the future and it will all just be a part of the loop

[Sondrelk]

People just need to Google dr who river song

The first time we meet him is his last
The last time we meet him is his first

He can literally show up at any point in the future and it will all just be a part of the loop

Something you learn about life is that there is a decent chunk of the population that just doesn't get how non-linear time works in this context. Time travel is weird enough, so having beings like the Bronze and Infinite dragons capable of moving freely through time and experiencing it differently from everyone else is just too much to wrap their heads around.

[huth]

People just need to Google dr who river song

The first time we meet him is his last
The last time we meet him is his first

He can literally show up at any point in the future and it will all just be a part of the loop

The problem is that Ersula insinuated he would become Murozond and then go back. Which is rather hindered by his being dead.

[Chickat]

We have on 2 dragonflights left whose story is not over yet (murozond's plotline will end in 10.1.5): green and red. 10.2 will probably take care of both if we follow the hints.

The last major patch of dragonflight will have iridikron as final villain.

After that i expect something on the level of patch 9.2.5 where we will see the aftermath of the expansion.

Personally I think we are looking at 1 more major patch and 4 more minor patches.

10.1.7- mid september
10.2- late November
10.2.5- Early February
10.2.7- Early April
10.2.9- Early June all 3 raids in one patch with a small amount of new world content
11.0 prepatch- early November.
11.0 expansion- late November
11.0 raid launch- Somewhere around December 9th.

[huth]

Something you learn about life is that there is a decent chunk of the population that just doesn't get how non-linear time works in this context. Time travel is weird enough, so having beings like the Bronze and Infinite dragons capable of moving freely through time and experiencing it differently from everyone else is just too much to wrap their heads around.

It's not even non-linear time. Time is still linear, but time travelers experience it in anachronic order.

I think the biggest issue with this is that people usually overthink this far too much, thinking up unnecessarily complex ways of how things happen instead of realising that it isn't functionally much different than jumping to a different point in a youtube video.

[Chickat]

Ok so Thrall is on the BlizzCon poster.

When was the last time we saw him? Well... quite recently, during the Orcs heritage quests. And what was he doing? He wanted to reintroduce long-lost orc traditions to Azeroth by inviting all orc clans to a celebration.

They are determined to settle on Azeroth and start a new life while restoring their traditions.

During these quests, Aggra asks us to honor the spirit of a thunder lizard. This one asks us to do something curious... to collect a seed from the bottom of the submerged cliffs in order to plant it in his corpse so that it can take root and grow a forest in Durotar again.

So this portends changes in the old world. Thrall represents, it would seem, the long-awaited world revamp.

Some say he's on the poster for no particular reason. Know that in marketing, nothing is left to chance. We do not put an element on a poster at random. There are always reasons behind it, especially when the poster depicts BlizzCon announcements.

As someone before me said, at BlizzCon expansion announcements, there's always a hint on the posters (Legion - Illidan, BfA - Jaina, SL - Sylvanas/Bolvar).

Others will say that it announces an elementary extension, not excluding the world revamp. This is also possible, but the revamp shouldn't be expansion-themed, otherwise it will age badly and end up being obsolete (like Cataclysm).

We will see in 4 months what will be the frame, but I hope with all my heart that it is indeed a world revamp (and especially that it is done correctly). After all, it's just speculation...

Regardless of what the expansion is I think it's a very safe bet that thrall or Orcs at large will play a large role.

So 3 possible expansions I can think of.

1. Elemental expansion. Maybe revamp too.
2. Revamp expansion.
3. Light invasion. Maghar survivors and horde vs alliance and army of light.


I do think 3 would involve the alliance as antagonists for the horde at first but eventually they would join the side of the maghar and horde.

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We do not know yet. IMO Nozdormu will finally turn into Murozond. At this point after so much foreshadowing, it would be very dissapointing if he stays as Nozdormu.

They need to either have him turn now or make it clear he will never turn.

I'm fine with either of the reasoning makes some logical sense but they have to decide now.

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I wonder who will replace him as Aspect if this happens, Chromie? Anachronos?

If they were going to replace him with anyone but Chromiw they would have already been hyping another bronze up.

I think he probably doesn't turn and is saved at the loss of Chromie.

Or if he does turn ana will die or turn too and Chromie will be aspect.

[Reive]

I hope it's not an "elements" expansion. I'm already tired of them. They had/have a lot of relevance already this expansion

[Scyth]

I sincerely hope next xpac is not an Orc heavy expansion tbh. I am still burnt out from so many xpacs of Orcs and I just don't find them interesting at all anymore.

I don't mind Orcs being involved to some extent, like Thrall for example, just don't make them the main focus again.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I sincerely hope next xpac is not an Orc heavy expansion tbh. I am still burnt out from so many xpacs of Orcs and I just don't find them interesting at all anymore.

I don't mind Orcs being involved to some extent, like Thrall for example, just don't make them the main focus again.

....Orcs have hardly been super relevant along with Humans. What game are you even playing

[Foolicious]

Personally I think we are looking at 1 more major patch and 4 more minor patches.

10.1.7- mid september
10.2- late November
10.2.5- Early February
10.2.7- Early April
10.2.9- Early June all 3 raids in one patch with a small amount of new world content
11.0 prepatch- early November.
11.0 expansion- late November
11.0 raid launch- Somewhere around December 9th.

I hope we will see the major patches a bit sooner so they don't release the raid a week before christmas again.

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I sincerely hope next xpac is not an Orc heavy expansion tbh. I am still burnt out from so many xpacs of Orcs and I just don't find them interesting at all anymore.

I don't mind Orcs being involved to some extent, like Thrall for example, just don't make them the main focus again.

Last I recall, orcs haven't been obtrusively relevant since Warlords of Draenor; Saurfang was a prominent character in BfA, but shared the spotlight with a number of night elf and forsaken characters. With Shadowlands and Dragonflight not being exceptionally orc-heavy, I'd say more orcs is plenty fine.

Personally, I'd like to see the more malevolent Mag'har contrasted with the more peaceful orcs of Durotar. It'd be a nice way to resolve that schizophrenic characterization and allow the Horde to have the best of both worlds, orcwise.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Im biased, but i want some bigger orcs spotlight so we get once again some screaming to battle, being very metal and badass and after orc heritage questline we might see new/old characters getting more spotlight, it would be awesome seeing Rexxar and leoroxx with misha kicking some ass together.

Don't know how to properly say that, but i miss "badass" feeling of WoW, and i don't speak only about orcs but all characters could use some of that again.

[Jekyll]

If we get a world revamp, I want my Grimtotem Raid with Magatha as the final boss to come true. It can just be the Grimtotem trying to crash Baine's wedding, and one of the raid bosses is a corrupted cake.

PLS, BLIZZ, LET'S KILL OFF MAGATHA!

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If we get a world revamp, I want my Grimtotem Raid with Magatha as the final boss to come true. It can just be the Grimtotem trying to crash Baine's wedding, and one of the raid bosses is a corrupted cake.

PLS, BLIZZ, LET'S KILL OFF MAGATHA!

Would be interesting. We're in desperate need of recurring villains, however, so I am reluctant to support killing off any of them just yet.

Hate the idea of it being a wedding, also. Feels too much like a continuation of Dragonflight's tone. If we're going to permanently kill off Magatha, I'd prefer it come as a major story beat with a serious tone given that she's effectively the main antagonist for the entire tauren race in absence of any major centaur or quilboar characters.