The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

I know Haranir models scream playable, but are we certain they're coming? I've gotten the feeling less and less that we will get them.

[Cheezits]

I know Haranir models scream playable, but are we certain they're coming? I've gotten the feeling less and less that we will get them.

It's a Vulpera thing where they already can put on armor and are a reskin race from launch. Even if they aren't relevant they probably will still happen.

Ethereals with boobs and customizations did get added VERY early as well so it's a coinflip honestly. Could be Haranir 11.2 and Ethereals 12.0, as Haranir have more ties to Khaz Algar and Eonar.

[Hitei]

I know Haranir models scream playable, but are we certain they're coming? I've gotten the feeling less and less that we will get them.

I don't think there's been certainty of any race since like... Vulpera.

[Enrif]

I know Haranir models scream playable, but are we certain they're coming? I've gotten the feeling less and less that we will get them.

something about the Harranir: What mount would they have? Earthen have their stone rams, arathi have their lynx.Outside of their bat form, we have not seen them with any animal that would be a racial mount for them.

[MauroDiogo]

I don't think there's been certainty of any race since like... Vulpera.

Yep but... if all the datamining was confirmation of Vulpera eventually becoming playable then the Haranir even more so because... They have a LOT more player-ready costumisation than Vulpera had!

I've been too damn excited about potentially playing as one ever since they were first shown. I need it now!

something about the Harranir: What mount would they have? Earthen have their stone rams, arathi have their lynx.Outside of their bat form, we have not seen them with any animal that would be a racial mount for them.

There's some speculation that they could be genetically linked to the Quillboar in some capacity. So a boar-like mount with a red thorn theme could work thematically. And pigs/boars are known to scavenge around roots too.
Or the giant snails like Hitei mentioned.

But the Haranir seem quite agile and elusive. A chunky, slow animal goes against those characteristics. But a spider-like mount would work while also fitting in with the nature & roots theme? Or maybe a furry spider in the same vein as their Bat flying form, as the land travel form? :think:

[Hitei]

something about the Harranir: What mount would they have? Earthen have their stone rams, arathi have their lynx.Outside of their bat form, we have not seen them with any animal that would be a racial mount for them.

They have giant snails and regular sized pet rock mice in their camp.

[Cheezits]

something about the Harranir: What mount would they have? Earthen have their stone rams, arathi have their lynx.Outside of their bat form, we have not seen them with any animal that would be a racial mount for them.

We don't know anything about the species in the Rootlands but I think it will be dinosaurs because they have a caveman theme. However the new hedgehog mounts do look like they fit their vibe, especially the leaves, and there is one with their color scheme.

Also if they are playable they will probably have a very strange balance form ala the Zandalari as I doubt they have a relation to moonkin. Maybe something that looks like a Nathrezim? Batpeople?

[Hitei]

Yep but... if all the datamining was confirmation of Vulpera eventually becoming playable then the Haranir even more so because... They have a LOT more player-ready costumisation than Vulpera had!

I've been too damn excited about potentially playing as one ever since they were first shown. I need it now!

Vulpera wasn't really so heavily assumed because it had customization though. A lot of NPC races, especially nowadays, have a lot of customization. Vulpera was more of a known because they kept slipping up with other background preparations. It showed up in databases that only really get entries for player races, it had assets for brewfest that only playable races get, stuff like that.

[Cheezits]

Vulpera wasn't really so heavily assumed because it had customization though. A lot of NPC races, especially nowadays, have a lot of customization. Vulpera was more of a known because they kept slipping up with other background preparations. It showed up in databases that only really get entries for player races, it had assets for brewfest that only playable races get, stuff like that.

It should be noted that they got a huge glowup in development that was suspicious. At BFA reveal they were lowpoly Cata-tier models and by launch they looked at they do now.

Haranir are more or less ready to go minus some armor rigging (which I think they already have, to an extent) as they just use Nelf animations.

I think we're just looking at a BFA 8.3 tier "they wouldn't" situation where despite marketing Xal, the Ethereals and Karesh we are instead going... to Orweynaworld. Same thing with Sylvanas fleeing the expansion while we go clean up N'zoth.

11.1.5 is budget-tier compared to 10.1.5 so it's probably just resources devoted elsewhere. Remember that they couldn't even commit to a new zone being on the roadmap for 11.2 (I still don't think this was an accident, and something like that lines up with how barebones and experimental 11.1.5 is).

[Alanar]

I know Haranir models scream playable, but are we certain they're coming? I've gotten the feeling less and less that we will get them.

Despite a few people here, they arent that popular. It would be another failure if they go through with such a nobody of a race. That would be the third one in a row. I mean even Nerubians are more popular, which have way more to them.

They should really focus on the ones people are famillar with and frequently asked imo.

[Cheezits]

They should really focus on the ones people are famillar with and frequently asked imo.

Hence why they are fast tracking to Ethereals. However the work is likely already done with Orweynaworld and Haranir so they can't just throw it away, they will just drop them with little fanfare and put all money on highlighting Housing and the story of Midnight.

Dev team just realized a little too late that OC races were losing their luster. Hence why the next two expansions (and I'm going to guess the one after TLT will be Kalimdor) are revamps.

[huth]

Metzen does not give a shit if things are well written. Nothing about BC, Wrath, or Cata was well written. MoP is a blend of good writing and some of the worst writing in the game. He also doesn't care about "everything being totally cool and epic!!!!1!" he is the one who started the introspective character drama trend. Up until MoP, WoW continually ignored past shit to do new stuff that was often just blatant retconning with little care.

I really wish people would stop trying to use Metzen as some sort of sad parasocial "he's just like me!" validation for their personal take, frequently in direct opposition to things he's done or said.

Remember Draenei? I remember Draenei.

Metzen didn't.

[Hitei]

Despite a few people here, they arent that popular. It would be another failure if they go through with such a nobody of a race. That would be the third one in a row. I mean even Nerubians are more popular, which have way more to them.

They should really focus on the ones people are famillar with and frequently asked imo.

Elven races are always popular and druid races are always popular.

[Alanar]

Hence why they are fast tracking to Ethereals. However the work is likely already done with Orweynaworld and Haranir so they can't just throw it away, they will just drop them with little fanfare and put all money on highlighting Housing and the story of Midnight.

Dev team just realized a little too late that OC races were losing their luster. Hence why the next two expansions (and I'm going to guess the one after TLT will be Kalimdor) are revamps.

Ye it just seems more likely I agree.

I just dont know about the whole rootlands thing myself man, I will correct myself if it does happen and they do become playable, but if they do.. (yawn) they will go without much hype or interest. Its just not there. As something completely new introduced in the same expansion, showing up a couple of times, it just didnt do anything. Tbf I was actually confused, while in Undermine, why Orwena was suddenly next to me. It could be I just disnt pay attention, but ye I just didnt care at all. A revamp, including cultures we could revisit, think about Ogres or Vrykul there will just be more hype.

Lets see if the Ethereals are going to become playable. I have seen lots of hype for obvious reasons. Its a massive fan request for years, same as the ones I mentioned. Earthen or Harranir are just not part of that. They tried with Earthen, but as data showed as well as my own experience and my own opinion. They just didnt spark the hype or interrest. They are flat out boring.

[Hitei]

Ye it just seems more likely I agree.

I just dont know about the whole rootlands thing myself man, I will correct myself if it does happen and they do become playable, but if they do.. (yawn) they will go without much hype or interest. Its just not there. As something completely new introduced in the same expansion, showing up a couple of times, it just didnt do anything. Tbf I was actually confused, while in Undermine, why Orwena was suddenly next to me. It could be I just disnt pay attention, but ye I just didnt care at all. A revamp, including cultures we could revisit, think about Ogres or Vrykul there will just be more hype.

Lets see if the Ethereals are going to become playable. I have seen lots of hype for obvious reasons. Its a massive fan request for years, same as the ones I mentioned.

Vrykul are never not going to just be taller humans.

[huth]

Vrykul are never not going to just be taller humans.

Of course not. But humans are always going to be Vrykul with dwarfism.

[Cheezits]

Vrykul are definitely the focus race of TLT as everything beyond (original) Mechagnomes and Frost Giants have already been touched on again since Legion. Also their direct relation to Odyn, Tyr and the Titansworn makes them perfect for a civil war.

They will definitely introduce a variant bigger than Kul Tirans but still small.

[Joshuaj]

Metzen does not give a shit if things are well written. Nothing about BC, Wrath, or Cata was well written. MoP is a blend of good writing and some of the worst writing in the game. He also doesn't care about "everything being totally cool and epic!!!!1!" he is the one who started the introspective character drama trend. Up until MoP, WoW continually ignored past shit to do new stuff that was often just blatant retconning with little care.

I really wish people would stop trying to use Metzen as some sort of sad parasocial "he's just like me!" validation for their personal take, frequently in direct opposition to things he's done or said.

What about what I said expressed the whole "Metzen is just like me" stuff? Based off what he wrote and showcased in WoW so far, would it be wrong of me to say he likes power fantasies and whatnot?

Also, he made it well aware to Blizzcon that, and I quote "when it comes to WoW's story, we're not screwing around", meaning he does care about the story to some degree, and he wants to see it do well.

Yes, TBC was bad, but you can't deny Wrath and Cata had some cool story beats as well, even if it was also full of "rule of cool" moments. And those expacs were done when Blizzard was still trying to find it's footing in regards to MMO storytelling.

This isn't the TBC-Cata era tho. This is the Worldsoul Saga era. Story is a MAJOR part of WoW and it's been a center focus for a while now. Blizzard knows this very well, which includes Metzen.

- - - Updated - - -

This is why I say Danuser and Metzen likely worked together on the Worldsoul Sagas foundations before Danuser left.

- - - Updated - - -

Of course not. But humans are always going to be Vrykul with dwarfism.

There's a lot more to Humans than just that, and you know it lmaooo

[Graeham]

Despite a few people here, they arent that popular. It would be another failure if they go through with such a nobody of a race. That would be the third one in a row. I mean even Nerubians are more popular, which have way more to them.

They should really focus on the ones people are famillar with and frequently asked imo.

Ethereals would be a better addition, in my opinion - and they're actually fairly unique as far as potential playable races are concerned. We already had Earthen added in the current expansion and I so rarely see any of those.

It's time we get something conventionally attractive and/or openly cool instead of another reskin of something that exists already. It's what ultimately sells.

[Nymrohd]

Vrykul are never not going to just be taller humans.

Does that mean anything though? Kul Tirans are thick humans. Lightforged and Highmountain are not even different than their main races, they are just customizations.