The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wyrt]

Sounds like making the Old Gods secretly friendly, or some of them anyways. That could make sense, since Neltharion's notes on the Black Empire seemed to contradict the Titans' claims about the Old Gods. That they weren't so bad, and maybe even had some good things about them? If the Old Gods were actually working for Azeroth at this point, all of that would start to fit in place.

That could also give us the basis for a friendly void faction that has split off from the Void Lords, and maybe even teaches us how to harness their powers. Riftblade class anyone?

Void elves can already do Riftblade though, don't need old gods to teach us that.

I think it's a likely spec for a class though. Alleria will probably be the poster character for both Midnight and the new class.

[Nightshade711]

Void elves can already do Riftblade though, don't need old gods to teach us that.

I think it's a likely spec for a class though. Alleria will probably be the poster character for both Midnight and the new class.

I could see Riftblade being a spec (or hero talent) for a void class in Midnight.

Though instead of a martial class I could theoretically see them go an Artificer route & make Ethereals playable alongside them.

[Limayria]

Void elves can already do Riftblade though, don't need old gods to teach us that.

I think it's a likely spec for a class though. Alleria will probably be the poster character for both Midnight and the new class.

Alleria is a demon hunter she got highly corruptive "dark magic" powers by ritualistically consuming a being aligned with that force and is fighting against losing her self to said powers, she was also introduced in legion alongside the rework of demon hunters, and has tattoos the same color as playable demon hunters have available

[Joshuaj]

Alleria? A demon hunter? Lol????

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I could see Riftblade being a spec (or hero talent) for a void class in Midnight.

Though instead of a martial class I could theoretically see them go an Artificer route & make Ethereals playable alongside them.

Riftblade Warrior Hero Spec for Midnight please!

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can we stop killing/crippling male characters? let's kill alleria

I won't lie, Jaina could use some time off...

[Merryck]

They should invest more into hero talents rather than making a new class. That means making them more dramatic, starting with reskinning more of your abilities. And Riftblade would definitely work better as a hero talent for warrior or maybe even paladin. The NPC Riftblades we see are wearing plate and wielding swords / shields.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Dawg, nobody is scared of the Nerubians, hop off that train already

You seem to dislike almost everything preexisting in the setting and strongly like everything tacked on later. It leaves me wondering why you bother with this setting and not something composed from the ground-up with the kinds of things you like in mind.

[Wyrt]

I could see Riftblade being a spec (or hero talent) for a void class in Midnight.

Though instead of a martial class I could theoretically see them go an Artificer route & make Ethereals playable alongside them.

The next patch seems to be pointing to ethereals and brokers being related and their technology being fairly similar. Also distancing the good-ish ethereals from the void since Locus-Walker is the only one to use void magic without being corrupted by it. So if they are made playable we'd be getting the arcane aligned ones we worked with in BC rather than any void aligned ones.

Arcane tech based Artificer also works with nightborne, blood elves, and Draenei.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Having been an ethereal shill for years, getting them would be great, especially since my hopes for anything resembling actual playable nerubians have been dashed by Ryuk's teenage dropout daughter being the most likely form those are going to come in.

[Cheezits]

Very late realization, but based on Blizzard being cute with naming conventions lately (ValKYR, KYRians) I can see Elun'ahir being under Un'Goro. It even has the 'un' separate as if it's some kind of special thing.

The Rootlands being close to the Worldcore and where Sargeras tried to stab (maybe the center of the worldcore) would make sense. Also, it's semi-near Khaz Algar which would explain why we see the roots from there.

[Joshuaj]

You seem to dislike almost everything preexisting in the setting and strongly like everything tacked on later. It leaves me wondering why you bother with this setting and not something composed from the ground-up with the kinds of things you like in mind.

If the story can't make the Nerubian's feel like a threat, why should I care? I'm serious.

Also, really? I actually like the premise of 11.1.7 a ton, especially since Blizzard is using the Syndicate again.

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Very late realization, but based on Blizzard being cute with naming conventions lately (ValKYR, KYRians) I can see Elun'ahir being under Un'Goro. It even has the 'un' separate as if it's some kind of special thing.

The Rootlands being close to the Worldcore and where Sargeras tried to stab (maybe the center of the worldcore) would make sense. Also, it's semi-near Khaz Algar which would explain why we see the roots from there.

I think Elun'ahir is based off Elune's name lol. But, if Blizzard connects Elun'ahir with Un'Goro, I'd fw it heavily!

[Limayria]

Alleria? A demon hunter? Lol????

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Riftblade Warrior Hero Spec for Midnight please!

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I won't lie, Jaina could use some time off...

why would rift blades be connected at all to warriors????????

demon hunters have barely explored shadow magic, in stuff like darkness and netherwalk and Alleria is a void mirror of a demon hunter, doing a very similar ritual and having the exact same tattoos my demon hunter has as a prominent part of her voidy redesign

she was also introduced as a void empowered martial fighter during the culmination of the expac that introduced demon hunters, who in case you didn't know where primarily presented as a martial fighter augmenting their speed and strength via a risky ritual to control a highly corruptive force and the current havoc transformation focus gameplay didnt truly start as a design focus until BFA with the addition of stuff like furious gaze, 2 min meta cd, removal of chaos blades the eventual base lining of demonic alongside the eventual point where at now where you have a 60/40 split on being in demon form which is directly leading to havoc not being able to deliver on the main class fantasy of demon hunters which was the no demonic heavy mover build from legion and a rift blade spec would deliver on that directly being a spec that incorporates its movement abilities into its rotation

Alleria is closer to a demon hunter than Anduin is to a priest, and if we really are reunifying the thalassian elves it would make sense to open demon hunters to void elves and demon hunters are a class thats totally aimless in story direction and participation currently even tho it has some of the best future set up potenital considering the fact the Illidari have their own space ship and planet even if maradum is destroyed, there happens to be a faction closely tied to the void elves who have been working tirelessly to learn how to heal a broken world in the Ethreals

[Eldryth]

Though instead of a martial class I could theoretically see them go an Artificer route & make Ethereals playable alongside them.

Artificer should have martial options too- their most iconic portrayals are Draenei in plate armor, using their crystal magitech gadgets while fighting in melee.

It's not as obvious as a fit as a Void class, but it could definitely work in Midnight, especially if they focus on us siding with the Light (as Metzen said) since many big Light factions tend to heavily use that kind of magitech (classic Draenei, the Army of the Light, now the Arathi... even Blood Elves had their Arcane and Anima Golems). And recent lore has other races (Goblins and Earthen) starting to work with crystal tech on Siren Isle, and of course we're focusing on Ethereals and Brokers now...

Trying not to get my hopes up, but I'd love it if Artificers and Ethereals become playable during this Saga. There's a lot of great potential classes that could fit into Midnight and TLT, but Artificer in particular is what I've always wanted most.

[milkmustache]

why would rift blades be connected at all to warriors????????

-Alleria Riftblade Demon Hunter stuff-

I never really considered this, but I really, really like the idea. Demon Hunters are very set in their identity so I can't imagine this happening, but it totally works in my head. I know that Alleria isn't a true demon hunter, but she did hunt demons. I think the rules can be bent here a bit. I still picture a Spellbreaker type class with Riftblade as a spec to fit a bit better, but I really enjoy this idea. Maybe DH could get a shadow/nether spec regardless!

I also don't know where they should go with hero talents. 2 tiers in, I'm still not sure what I feel about them. They're an interesting flavor I suppose, but some are far greater than others. I would almost prefer they be absorbed into the talent trees and we move in a different direction with class skins, but I also think that's something they'll never do.

[Hitei]

They should invest more into hero talents rather than making a new class. That means making them more dramatic, starting with reskinning more of your abilities. And Riftblade would definitely work better as a hero talent for warrior or maybe even paladin. The NPC Riftblades we see are wearing plate and wielding swords / shields.

I firmly disagree. Hero talents should be visible/noticeable (unlike launch Dark Ranger) but they should not reskin more of your abilities and be more dramatic. People are choosing to play Hunter, they shouldn't be effectively forced to instead either play as a full-fledged Dark Ranger or a full-fledged, moonlight throwing Sentinel.

Also, at that point, to some extent, you might as well just merge specializations into Hero Talents

[Limayria]

I never really considered this, but I really, really like the idea. Demon Hunters are very set in their identity so I can't imagine this happening, but it totally works in my head. I know that Alleria isn't a true demon hunter, but she did hunt demons. I think the rules can be bent here a bit. I still picture a Spellbreaker type class with Riftblade as a spec to fit a bit better, but I really enjoy this idea. Maybe DH could get a shadow/nether spec regardless!

thank you! ive been workshopping the idea in my head for a while lol

I'd also love getting both a melee void spec and a brand new class like a potential artifacer or bard or even witch class

[Hitei]

I never really considered this, but I really, really like the idea. Demon Hunters are very set in their identity so I can't imagine this happening, but it totally works in my head. I know that Alleria isn't a true demon hunter, but she did hunt demons. I think the rules can be bent here a bit. I still picture a Spellbreaker type class with Riftblade as a spec to fit a bit better, but I really enjoy this idea. Maybe DH could get a shadow/nether spec regardless!

Everyone hunts demons. It's fine to give DH a ranged spec, but there's really no reason to obfuscate what a demon hunter actually is with "well any sort of corrupting energy you deliberately weild basically makes you a demon hunter". Alleria is Alleria and the Void is the Void. Demon Hunters are about harboring bits of demonic soul and fel magic in yourself.

[milkmustache]

Everyone hunts demons. It's fine to give DH a ranged spec, but there's really no reason to obfuscate what a demon hunter actually is with "well any sort of corrupting energy you deliberately weild basically makes you a demon hunter". Alleria is Alleria and the Void is the Void. Demon Hunters are about harboring bits of demonic soul and fel magic in yourself.

I think there's a bit more overlapping traits here than you're allowing, but I understand there's a clear difference. I also agree with what you say about the corrupting forces, but I think there's certainly a possibility for a spec where Demon Hunters harness the same Void and Nether energies that the Legion often did. I don't think that Riftblade should be that spec, but there's space for something there. Maybe "Subjugation", or something along the lines? Taking the energies, creatures, etc of the Void and bending them to the will of the demon hunter?

[Joshuaj]

why would rift blades be connected at all to warriors????????

demon hunters have barely explored shadow magic, in stuff like darkness and netherwalk and Alleria is a void mirror of a demon hunter, doing a very similar ritual and having the exact same tattoos my demon hunter has as a prominent part of her voidy redesign

she was also introduced as a void empowered martial fighter during the culmination of the expac that introduced demon hunters, who in case you didn't know where primarily presented as a martial fighter augmenting their speed and strength via a risky ritual to control a highly corruptive force and the current havoc transformation focus gameplay didnt truly start as a design focus until BFA with the addition of stuff like furious gaze, 2 min meta cd, removal of chaos blades the eventual base lining of demonic alongside the eventual point where at now where you have a 60/40 split on being in demon form which is directly leading to havoc not being able to deliver on the main class fantasy of demon hunters which was the no demonic heavy mover build from legion and a rift blade spec would deliver on that directly being a spec that incorporates its movement abilities into its rotation

Alleria is closer to a demon hunter than Anduin is to a priest, and if we really are reunifying the thalassian elves it would make sense to open demon hunters to void elves and demon hunters are a class thats totally aimless in story direction and participation currently even tho it has some of the best future set up potenital considering the fact the Illidari have their own space ship and planet even if maradum is destroyed, there happens to be a faction closely tied to the void elves who have been working tirelessly to learn how to heal a broken world in the Ethreals

They are plate-wearing warriors akin to spellbreakers but for the Void Elves. They are shown to either duel wield swords, wield a 2 handed sword, or have a sword and a shield.

So, already we have a bit of an issue here regarding it's connectivity to Demon Hunters.

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Demon Hunters have magical demonic eyes (hence the blindfold), they wear leather, and they primarily wield glaives. The Riftblades aren't shown to wield glaives, and they definitely aren't shown to wear leather.

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I never really considered this, but I really, really like the idea. Demon Hunters are very set in their identity so I can't imagine this happening, but it totally works in my head. I know that Alleria isn't a true demon hunter, but she did hunt demons. I think the rules can be bent here a bit. I still picture a Spellbreaker type class with Riftblade as a spec to fit a bit better, but I really enjoy this idea. Maybe DH could get a shadow/nether spec regardless!

I also don't know where they should go with hero talents. 2 tiers in, I'm still not sure what I feel about them. They're an interesting flavor I suppose, but some are far greater than others. I would almost prefer they be absorbed into the talent trees and we move in a different direction with class skins, but I also think that's something they'll never do.

I just don't see anything here that would fit the Riftblades with the Demon Hunters. You'd also also have to make Void Elves Demon Hunters with this logic, as I don't think they currently are.

[Limayria]

Everyone hunts demons. It's fine to give DH a ranged spec, but there's really no reason to obfuscate what a demon hunter actually is with "well any sort of corrupting energy you deliberately weild basically makes you a demon hunter". Alleria is Alleria and the Void is the Void. Demon Hunters are about harboring bits of demonic soul and fel magic in yourself.

Alleria isn't just wielding the void, she consumes a void entity and takes its energy inside of her exactly how a demon hunter does to finish their training, she doesn't just mirror traits of demon hunters her progression into her void powers clearly mirrors Vandel's into becoming a full demon hunter

"Thereafter, Vandel constantly heard the whispered thoughts of the demon whose soul had been bound to his, tempting him not only to violence but to join the Legion" Alleria literally had a plot thread this expansion about how shes worried she's going to give into the whispers of the void at the climax of the level up campaign


Never mind the fact the only way to even kinda of look like Alleria in game is being a blood elf demon hunter with the purple tattoos, and also how void purple is the demon hunter class color, and one of the primary colors in their class color pallet for tier sets and their artifact weapons

[Jolly Roger]

Lorewalking trashes my theory that Xal is a corrupt portion of Azeroth's essence that the Titans tech filtered out; this has a chance of being the case but given the timeline the Titans & Black Empire were only on Azeroth at the same time very briefly.

Lorewalking supports the Dimensius analog theory; that she was essentially trying to do with Azeroth what Dimensius did with K'aresh, but the Old Gods usurped her. In this situation K'aresh would have had its own old gods that act as minions to the void lords but our old gods got a little ambitious, throwing out the void lords entire plan.

the quote from her about being torn apart by her brothers convinced me she was an old god but of course they killed that...kinda