The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

This could be a possibility. We know now that K'aresh's native people received visions like Azeroth's Radiant Song. That would strongly imply a worldsoul present.

I've thought about that before: K'aresh having a Void corrupted worldsoul cooking up in the pot. I suppose it would make sense for us to deal with that corrupted worldsoul before an expansion called "The Last Titan" launches.

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That creates a disconnect between what we have been made to believe about the Void Lord's goals. If their #1 goal is to find and corrupt a worldsoul into a "Void Titan" then it kind of makes no sense for Dimensius to show up and just... eat the planet.

Unless, of course:

1.> The Void Lord's goals, as we have been made to believe by Warcraft Chronicle's titan perspective is false (maybe they believe it to be true, but not in actuality)
2.> Dimensius acts separately from the Void Lords?
3.> Some other explanation that I cannot think of at the moment

It could be that Dimensius attacking K'aresh happened VERY LONG AGO. Like, before the Void Lords created the Old Gods. So it was a test run on how they could manifest on the material plane, it failed and then they created the Old God scheme. This would mean Xal'atath could have even been on K'aresh since it would have happened before she got trapped on Azeroth. Heck it could have happened before the Pantheon was created, perhaps K'aresh was OLDER than Aman'thul.

Or alternatively, the Void Lords are not of one mind. Which makes absolute sense given that the Void is all about individuality.

[Ersula]

Or alternatively, the Void Lords are not of one mind. Which makes absolute sense given that the Void is all about individuality.

We're really just saying things about void lords with no substantiation, huh? I know we've been told the void is about individuality but its also the cosmic power that constantly totes mind control, so I think the void is actually just a liar.

[Nymrohd]

We're really just saying things about void lords with no substantiation, huh? I know we've been told the void is about individuality but its also the cosmic power that constantly totes mind control, so I think the void is actually just a liar.

Can't fault that reasoning. But for gameplay and for the narrative, having the Void Lords not be a hivemind and actually have multiple fronts is better. It also makes sense with the Old Gods who were constantly on each other's throats.

[Darkarath]

Guys, you are losing it.

Of course is K'aresh.

Often, the simplest explanation is the closest to the truth.

We have an Ethereal. Where are Ethereal from? K'aresh.

We have a Void Planet. Which Void Planet do we know? K'aresh.

Why the hell the Ethereal would go to another planet?

More importantly, why Blizzard will show us another planet of which we don't know anything about and of which we don't care about?

What are we looking at then? Avaloren? Come on guys.

And for those that believe that it would be just a raid, you are losing it too. K'aresh is one of the most anticipated zones of the game since TBC. Some players will be mad because we will just get a zone/s and not an expansion, but at the very least we will get a zone.

Hell, people still complain about Argus and the Emerald Dream being just zones when they could have been expansions.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Why the hell the Ethereal would go to another planet?

To be fair to me, I never said it was another planet. I was just musing about the Void swirly vortex not being K'aresh.

More importantly, why Blizzard will show us another planet of which we don't know anything about and of which we don't care about?

Operating under the assumption it's not K'aresh and another planet, yes I agree. But that's not what was being said.

What are we looking at then? Avaloren? Come on guys.

I'm going to refer you to the "Speculation" portion of this thread's title.

[Lady Atia]

So, if they design new housing bits with dyeing in mind, does that mean that we may very well see that system for (new) transmog aswell?


In the past, the point why we don't have it was that in wow, stuff is designed differently (basically, they paint the textures for each recolour by hand or something) so they couldn't do it (and won't for older stuff, as confirmed by the housing post). But it seems like, atleast for housing, they now use new tools or a different method that makes it possible (while still fitting with the artstyle of the older stuff).

Would also mean either a big change of rewards structure, or they could restrict specific dyes as rewards (which would be a Blizzard thing to do haha).

[Nymrohd]

We actually know more void planets. We know Telorgus (which likely is the Void Planet Sargeras destroyed but it has never been confirmed) and we've seen an unnamed Void Planet in Star Augur Etraeus' fight. We also know other planets Dimensius tried to attack; Karkora is one and T'uure stopped him there.

[Enrif]

This could be a possibility. We know now that K'aresh's native people received visions like Azeroth's Radiant Song. That would strongly imply a worldsoul present.

That is of the assumption the radiant song is from the world soul, and not from a secondary thing close to the world soul, like beledar for example. Something that other might have "falsely" identified als calcified world soul essence.

It is still my longest standing theory about the radiant song, that it doesn't originate from the world soul, but from beledar. And let's remember, the vision of Orweyna about the "world soul" was right next to the beledar.

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Often, the simplest explanation is the closest to the truth.

The simplest explanation when Azir took the dark heart from Gallywix was: Azir works for Xal.

Which turned out to be false. The simplest explanation is often only that: simple. But simple doesn't equate to truth.

[Darkarath]

To be fair to me, I never said it was another planet. I was just musing about the Void swirly vortex not being K'aresh.

I wasn't talking about you specifically, mate. In fact I agree that the Void swirly vortex could be a number of things.

So, if they design new housing bits with dyeing in mind, does that mean that we may very well see that system for (new) transmog aswell?

Nice idea ! Hope that Blizzard reads your post. It would be cool if we start to get pieces of gear that we can finally customize.

We actually know more void planets. We know Telorgus (which likely is the Void Planet Sargeras destroyed but it has never been confirmed) and we've seen an unnamed Void Planet in Star Augur Etraeus' fight. We also know other planets Dimensius tried to attack; Karkora is one and T'uure stopped him there.

I guess that I should have said Void Planets that actually matter? Telorgus is where the Void Elves are, so highly unlikely that they have that giant Void swirl right next to them without noticing. The Planet that Star Augur Etraeus could be just a vision of what might happen, not an actual planet. The other two are so unimportant and unknown for most WoW players that I won't even take them into account, and I doubt that you seriously do, to be honest.

The simplest explanation when Azir took the dark heart from Gallywix was: Azir works for Xal.

Which turned out to be false. The simplest explanation is often only that: simple. But simple doesn't equate to truth.

Not quite the same IMO. In fact, several people here called that Azir wasn't working for Xal'athat. If Azir would have said something like ''And now I bring the Dark Heart to Xal'athat'', then it would have been the simplest explanation, but if was kind of suspicious from the beginning.

And to be fair is not quite the same to make a cinematic showing you a Void Planet, the only one being relevant to the story as of now being K'aresh. That one is a little on the nose, especially if we bear in mind that the Ethereals have never been more relevant to the story, not even in TBC. They have the Dark Heart. They are another player now, another threat that we have to seriously consider.

[Enrif]

Not quite the same IMO. In fact, several people here called that Azir wasn't working for Xal'athat. If Azir would have said something like ''And now I bring the Dark Heart to Xal'athat'', then it would have been the simplest explanation, but if was kind of suspicious from the beginning.

You seem to ignore the part right before Azir takes the heart, what Gallywix said to Azir:

I was just about to send that on to Xal'atath.
Repair work's all finished.
Not holding out or nothing, I swear.

People here, were directly pointing towards this and that Alleria says:

Gallywix was repairing the Dark Heart for Xal'atath. But it seems she lost her patience with him and sent the ethereals to collect.

And this very forums, many, like you claimed: the simple answer is the true one.

So, being skeptical about the "simple answers", shouldn't be too surprising.

[Darkarath]

You seem to ignore the part right before Azir takes the heart, what Gallywix said to Azir:


People here, were directly pointing towards this and that Alleria says:


And this very forums, many, like you claimed: the simple answer is the true one.

So, being skeptical about the "simple answers", shouldn't be too surprising.

My point remains. Azir didn't say a word when he took the Dark Heart, and as I pointed out, we are talking about very different things IMO. Suspecting Ethereals, which has always been mysterious, versus showing us a Void Planet, the only one possibly relevant at the moment being K'aresh.

[Scyth]

Does anyone expect Sargeras' sword to come into play at all btw? Since it was featured in the cinematic for TWW but so far we have seen nothing to suggest it may feature lol

[Enrif]

My point remains. Azir didn't say a word when he took the Dark Heart, and as I pointed out, we are talking about very different things IMO. Suspecting Ethereals, which has always been mysterious, versus showing us a Void Planet, the only one possibly relevant at the moment being K'aresh.

Well, the planet is likely K'aresh, or in its area (moon perhaps). The question here is more, what it means, and how things are looking strange (my post on the last page).

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Does anyone expect Sargeras' sword to come into play at all btw? Since it was featured in the cinematic for TWW but so far we have seen nothing to suggest it may feature lol

I think the most recent info about the sword was that it will take relevance during the saga, but not during TWW. So, likely in TLT with sargeras return.

[Darkarath]

Does anyone expect Sargeras' sword to come into play at all btw? Since it was featured in the cinematic for TWW but so far we have seen nothing to suggest it may feature lol

I guess that Sargeras was aiming at the Worldcore when he stabbed Azeroth, and that most likely until TLT or maybe until the last cinematic of Midnight, we won't see anything about it. If I have to guess, I see two options:

- Sargeras will wield it against Dimensius.
- Azeroth will wield it against Sargeras.

[Cheezits]

I guess that Sargeras was aiming at the Worldcore when he stabbed Azeroth, and that most likely until TLT or maybe until the last cinematic of Midnight, we won't see anything about it. If I have to guess, I see two options:

- Sargeras will wield it against Dimensius.
- Azeroth will wield it against Sargeras.

I can also see Sargeras using it against some warrior-version of Aman'thul (I predict he will get a redesign of some sort as a grandpa in a blue robe isn't cool enough). It would be cool if we got a Titan vs Titan fight in space and I can see Sargeras ironically helping us, if only to save Azeroth.

[Mackud]

Does anyone expect Sargeras' sword to come into play at all btw? Since it was featured in the cinematic for TWW but so far we have seen nothing to suggest it may feature lol

Not seeing that stuff until the very end of the saga.

It's important to note that the Burning Legion was formed to stop Azeroth being contaminated by the void, but it was his own fanatical vision of doing it.
The most likely outcome from this, as Azeroth is radiating all the different cosmos, he saw the Void part of her, put 2 and 2 together and made 5.

There's absolutely a redemption arc from this, but how it will play out is wayyyy too early to say.

[Kiivar86]

Does anyone expect Sargeras' sword to come into play at all btw? Since it was featured in the cinematic for TWW but so far we have seen nothing to suggest it may feature lol

I've long thought that Azeroth herself would take up the sword at some point, so I still think that'll be what happens.

Even with Sargeras returning, I don't really see him being a good guy, so I don't think him just yanking the sword out again would be all that good.

[Lahis]

So, if they design new housing bits with dyeing in mind, does that mean that we may very well see that system for (new) transmog aswell?


In the past, the point why we don't have it was that in wow, stuff is designed differently (basically, they paint the textures for each recolour by hand or something) so they couldn't do it (and won't for older stuff, as confirmed by the housing post). But it seems like, atleast for housing, they now use new tools or a different method that makes it possible (while still fitting with the artstyle of the older stuff).

Would also mean either a big change of rewards structure, or they could restrict specific dyes as rewards (which would be a Blizzard thing to do haha).

Dunno. Allowing armor dyes would make selling the same model in two dozen different colors in TP to seem like more of a ripoff than it already is.

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- Azeroth will wield it against Sargeras.

Though we do not know how World Souls are hatched. Will hey just manifest on/outside their planet without harming it? Or will it be like Tiamut would have been?

[KOUNTERPARTS]

There's absolutely a redemption arc from this, but how it will play out is wayyyy too early to say.

Ugh, I really hope Sargeras does not get a redemption arc. Redemption arcs in WoW work with a very certain set of parameters.

I'd argue that Illidan's was, narratively, worse than Sylvanas' but beyond that, Sargeras entire history is tied with Warcraft's franchise.

EDIT: By "worse" I mean not only what the story was for their specific redemptions, but how it was also told to us.

It could end up being "I did what I thought I had to" kind of deal, with a chance for Sargeras to realize his fault and change his tune... and when that fork in the road arrives, I do hope he sticks to his guns. I believe that some villains should remain villains despite what prompted them to turn to evil. Arthas is such a case. The road to his damnation was paved by (initial) good intentions. He became what he became, realized what was working against him that essentially made him go down this path, and stayed true to it.

I'm probably rambling at this point. I suppose I just don't want to see one of the biggest of biggest bads of the Warcraft franchise -- one who, compared to other shoehorned big bads (The Failure Jailer), is actually received positively from the community -- have a last second face turn.

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Though we do not know how World Souls are hatched. Will hey just manifest on/outside their planet without harming it? Or will it be like Tiamut would have been?

Worldsoul projection? Perhaps the titans can manifest their spiritual selves.

[PT2020]

The next 12 months of WoW looks insane. Timeframes for these major beats are just calculated guesses but I doubt it's much different to this:

May/June: K'aresh / 12.2 Reveal
July/August: K'aresh / 12.2 release (playable Ethereals?)
August: Midnight deepdive at Gamescom
August/September: Midnight Alpha
December: Player housing (possibly as part of pre-patch, possibly as a 'late' release in 11.2.7 for those who pre-order)
December/January/February: Pepatch
January/February/March: Midnight release, an expansion with our first major old world revamps (yes we got darkshore and arathi basin before but I think this will be on another level)