The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Mackud]

Zul'drak I cannot see being cut. If only because I don't think the developers are going to ignore this one possibility to finally make the Zul'drak raid they scrapped in WotLK. The giant snake tail in Gundrak is almost as big a meme as the sword is.

With what trolls? They are literally confirmed extinct. I hardly think the 1 man band who confirms to the player they are extinct who's sat in Zulzadar is going to go out and summon a giant loa

[Ersula]

With what trolls? They are literally confirmed extinct. I hardly think the 1 man band who confirms to the player they are extinct who's sat in Zulzadar is going to go out and summon a giant loa

"Destroyed by the scourge" specifically. Now imagine the Drakkari trolls make up a major faction of the scourge, post Lich King. An undead tribe of Trolls opens up a lot of possibilities.

[Mackud]

"Destroyed by the scourge" specifically. Now imagine the Drakkari trolls make up a major faction of the scourge. An undead tribe of Trolls opens up a lot of possibilities.

Yeah it was called Drak'Tharon Keep. And the questline after that killing Drakuru so they're dead too.

So what Trolls?

At this point you realise hang on, there actually is none left as they've already done the undead Troll stuff.

[Sondrelk]

With what trolls? They are literally confirmed extinct. I hardly think the 1 man band who confirms to the player they are extinct who's sat in Zulzadar is going to go out and summon a giant loa

Undead Drakkari. Ghosts. Zandalari trying to take over. Old God cultists attempting to find something below. Etc.
Could be any one of those, or possibly even all of them at once.

Just because the Drakkari empire is extinct doesn't mean Zul'drak magically stopped existing. Same with whatever cool stuff was inside.

[Mackud]

And he still says Undead Drakkari.

[Sondrelk]

Or for that matter. Just say there is something Titan related underneath the big temple in Zul'drak. And you have a bunch of Titan forces wrecking shit and trying to capture Loa for whatever reason.

The important bit is going there to see what the raid could have been. And get one of those all important troll raids. Not necessarily kill Trolls.

[Mackud]

And get one of those all important troll raids.

We're already getting one in Midnight though. Why do we need 2?

[Sondrelk]

We're already getting one in Midnight though. Why do we need 2?

Nothing that conclusively states we have to get a troll raid in Midnight. It's an obvious option for sure. But so is a Scourge or Scarlet Crusade raid.

Midnight could easily just have the Amani be in dungeons, with the first raid being Quel'thalas, second being Stratholme, and third one being K'aresh or what have you.

[Mackud]

Nothing that conclusively states we have to get a troll raid in Midnight. It's an obvious option for sure. But so is a Scourge or Scarlet Crusade raid.

Midnight could easily just have the Amani be in dungeons, with the first raid being Quel'thalas, second being Stratholme, and third one being K'aresh or what have you.

If you had to pick for a Troll raid, which one would you pick - Some snake literally no one knows about, and quite frankly, won't give a fuck about because there's better story for the last expansion of a saga than some snake or the location of the most powerful C'Thraxxi which is thematic for Midnight.

It fits with the narrative where people are just fantasizing what they want rather than it logically happening. It's not speculating which the thread is supposed to be about, it's just making your own personal wishlist of things you want to see in the game

[Ersula]

And he still says Undead Drakkari.

Because as we all know, you can only be raised from the dead once. /s

[Sondrelk]

If you had to pick for a Troll raid, which one would you pick - Some snake literally no one knows about, and quite frankly, won't give a fuck about because there's better story for the last expansion of a saga than some snake or the location of the most powerful C'Thraxxi which is thematic for Midnight.

It fits with the narrative where people are just fantasizing what they want rather than it logically happening. It's not speculating which the thread is supposed to be about, it's just making your own personal wishlist of things you want to see in the game

Here is the thing though. Zul'aman being important and thematic to Midnight doesn't immediately mean it has to be a raid. The Stonevault is hugely important to TWW as an expansion, and as the intro to the trilogy. And yet that is just a dungeon to cap off the storyline in the zone.

Zul'aman and the C'thraxxi there could easily be the same. You spend all of the relevant zone fighting the Amani. And then at the end, or in a dungeon. You fail, and the C'thraxxi leaves to be part of some future raid. Probably in Silvermoon leading a bunch of cultists, or old god minions or what have you.

A Zul'aman raid is a strong choice for a hefty bit of lore. But even more so os a version of Zul'aman that is open world where you have to continuously fight back Old God cultists.

[Enrif]

My wish is that they take the Argent Crusade questing hub in ICC (not the tourney grounds) and make that into a proper hub, with proper buildings and everything.
The tourney grounds are placed where they are for gameplay reasons. But there isn't really anything preventing the Argent Crusade from having established the castle they planned to build further south.

i guess they could revisit the original idea of the argen tournament grounds for crystalsong and have build there a new city.

[Mackud]

The Stonevault was important to TWW. In what way exactly?

It quite literally had nothing to do with the main story, it ended the story of the War of Three Hammers, an event which ended her in sabotaging Grim Batol. In what relation does this have to the main story?

It was good to have the Dwarf faction she sabotaged appear ingame, but the consequence of the actions had literally no bearing on the main story.

The only thing the events of Grim Batol achieved was the creation of the Twilight dragons which ended at Lady Sinestra so I'm really struggling how this is considered important to current events.

[Sondrelk]

The Stonevault was important to TWW. In what way exactly?

It quite literally had nothing to do with the main story, it ended the story of the War of Three Hammers, an event which ended her in sabotaging Grim Batol. In what relation does this have to the main story?

It was good to have the Dwarf faction she sabotaged appear ingame, but the consequence of the actions had literally no bearing on the main story.

The only thing the events of Grim Batol achieved was the creation of the Twilight dragons which ended at Lady Sinestra so I'm really struggling how this is considered important to current events.

Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

[Nymrohd]

The Drakkari tribe died off, not all Frost Trolls. Others could come back. Alternatively, Talanji could sponsor trolls from all tribes to come resettle an ancient part of the empire.

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Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

Really, An'surek as the middle raid with more time to build the Nerubians and maybe some proper questing in the city proper like Suramar with the first raid tier being something else would absolutely work. And save Kezan for future content.

[Sondrelk]

The Drakkari tribe died off, not all Frost Trolls. Others could come back. Alternatively, Talanji could sponsor trolls from all tribes to come resettle an ancient part of the empire.

Or Amani. Or Gurubashi. Or really any kind of troll that might want to get in on whatever crazy stuff was left inside Zul'drak.
Could be insane Loa. Could be a giant cauldron of extra potent Mojo.
Only way to find out is for someone to go inside and go insane so they can be killed by adventurers.

[Mackud]

Are your confusing the Stonevault with something else? What you are saying doesn't really make any sense.

The Stonevault is important as what is effectively the capstone of the Earthen storyline in TWW. It's part of the complex that makes and regenerates Earthen. And seeing it be overtaken by the void makes it similar in concept to other titan installations like Ulduar.

It would have been more fitting as a first raid in TWW than Nerub'ar was. What with it tying prominently into the greater Titan plotlines of the trilogy.

That's called The Coreway.

Trust me, I'm not the one between us confusing it with something else.

At this point I'm just hoping I get concussion so I can forget this past 20 minutes happened.
I don't genuinely think you actually play the game, it's been suspect in the past but how do you get Stonevault and Coreway mixed up unless you've been doing an absolute marathon running the same dungeon over and over again then it becomes a bit more understandable but its the only excuse available

[Raetary]

We're already getting one in Midnight though. Why do we need 2?

You can never have enough troll raids.

[Mackud]

You can never have enough troll raids.

I'll agree with you on that one, Troll dungeons and raids is actually BiS

[Nymrohd]

Btw do we yet have any indication on what happens with dinars?

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Or Amani. Or Gurubashi. Or really any kind of troll that might want to get in on whatever crazy stuff was left inside Zul'drak.
Could be insane Loa. Could be a giant cauldron of extra potent Mojo.
Only way to find out is for someone to go inside and go insane so they can be killed by adventurers.

Honestly what I'd want is for there to have been a Tal'Drak in Zandalar that we just never saw (that should have existed given everyone else had extensive representation in Zandalar) and Talanji helps them resettle.

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That's called The Coreway.

Trust me, I'm not the one between us confusing it with something else.

At this point I'm just hoping I get concussion so I can forget this past 20 minutes happened.
I don't genuinely think you actually play the game, it's been suspect in the past but how do you get Stonevault and Coreway mixed up unless you've been doing an absolute marathon running the same dungeon over and over again then it becomes a bit more understandable but its the only excuse available

The Stonevault. The dungeon in Ringing Deeps? Where we finish the Ringing Deeps storyline, then revisit to kill Eirich which is the starting zone for Earthen players?