The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

That would be a great development. Maybe the kaja'mite will help with that. At the very least I imagine it could help Neferess regain her faculties.

I didn't even consider kajamite but it would make a lot of sense considering that we just had it confirmed it can "stabilize" void. Maybe it's some Blizzard idea to have Undermine tied to another neutral underground kingdom. The Goblins save the Nerubians Arcan'dor style.

Goblins don't have a "buddy race" after BFA (where they seemingly abandoned the "Horde Goblins and Forsaken work together" idea) besides AU Mag'har (now confirmed by the way, through Blackfuse/Darkfuse tech), it would be cool if they tied them to Nerubians as the two dominant underground cultures.

This may actually be lampshaded by there being a Goblin trading post in the Weaver's lair, but not one for other races...

[Viridiel]

I didn't even consider kajamite but it would make a lot of sense considering that we just had it confirmed it can "stabilize" void. Maybe it's some Blizzard idea to have Undermine tied to another neutral underground kingdom. The Goblins save the Nerubians Arcan'dor style.

Goblins don't have a "buddy race" after BFA (where they seemingly abandoned the "Horde Goblins and Forsaken work together" idea) besides AU Mag'har (now confirmed by the way, through Blackfuse/Darkfuse tech), it would be cool if they tied them to Nerubians as the two dominant underground cultures.

This may actually be lampshaded by there being a Goblin trading post in the Weaver's lair, but not one for other races...

Yeah, I would be much more OK with the Nerubian storyline having very little movement until now if it's because we needed to make this discovery with the goblins and get them to a point where they can use the technology to help the Nerubians.

I'm hoping it'll be either that or something from the Rootlands that saves the Ascended Nerubians from mind control. It really could be as simple as a special type of flower which grows there and has the ability to completely remove Void corruption. The roots are seemingly resistant to the Black Blood, it just becomes a threat when there's so much of it that it starts to overwhelm its resistance.

[Cheezits]

Yeah, I would be much more OK with the Nerubian storyline having very little movement until now if it's because we needed to make this discovery with the goblins and get them to a point where they can use the technology to help the Nerubians.

I'm hoping it'll be either that or something from the Rootlands that saves the Ascended Nerubians from mind control. It really could be as simple as a special type of flower which grows there and has the ability to completely remove Void corruption. The roots are seemingly resistant to the Black Blood, it just becomes a threat when there's so much of it that it starts to overwhelm its resistance.

They already lampshaded that the nerubians know of a giant magic flower, though it's a blink and miss it kind of thing.

I would be much more okay with Rootlands if they tie in the Nerubians heavily, but I do think "giant flower saves them" is way too similar to the literal Arcan'dor and Amirdrassil.

[Viridiel]

They already lampshaded that the nerubians know of a giant magic flower, though it's a blink and miss it kind of thing.

I would be much more okay with Rootlands if they tie in the Nerubians heavily, but I do think "giant flower saves them" is way too similar to the literal Arcan'dor and Amirdrassil.

I still haven't been able to find this reference to a giant magic flower I have no idea what I could've missed. Was it buried in quest text?

[Cheezits]

I still haven't been able to find this reference to a giant magic flower I have no idea what I could've missed. Was it buried in quest text?

I believe it's a grey item or quest item from the sidequest where you infiltrate the Skeins library in Azj-Kahet.

[Hitei]

I still haven't been able to find this reference to a giant magic flower I have no idea what I could've missed. Was it buried in quest text?

I believe it's a grey item or quest item from the sidequest where you infiltrate the Skeins library in Azj-Kahet.

https://www.wowhead.com/item=215159/pillaged-trophy

Far from a record of scouting logs, this well-worn tome is filled to the brim with charcoal sketches of magnificent and vaguely familiar plant life.

Of particular note is a dog-eared page towards the back which depicts a massive blossom situated in the heart of what appears to be a cave.

Note that this seems to be a copy of

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191405/alvis-ledger

[Viridiel]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=215159/pillaged-trophy



Note that this seems to be a copy of

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191405/alvis-ledger

Thank you! This has bugged me since the expansion came out.

I think there's probably still something to it if it's copied from Zaralek considering Blizzard seem to be painting this picture that underground creatures travel around just as much as creatures on the surface. The Rootlands seems to predate the World Soul Saga as a concept, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they had it in mind at the time.

Or it could be nothing. It doesn't exactly give us a whole lot to speculate on, but I like to think that they've already planned out some underground areas. I'm sad we still haven't seen more Underlight creatures in TWW, so hopefully we return underground at some point in the future. I feel like the Underlight has gotta be a place across the Undersea where the kobyss come from.

[Worldshaper]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=215159/pillaged-trophy



Note that this seems to be a copy of

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191405/alvis-ledger

OK, time to hope aboard the 11.2 "Rootlands" hype train because the idea of a giant flower is just too good.

It would be really poetic if this flower blossomed from the remains of Elun'ahir, symbolising Elune and Eonar's love but also of renewed hope and that life "uh, uh, finds a way".

It would make a lot of sense that "guardians" arrived long after the event to protect and precious flower.

Imagine all the cool transmog.

[Dracullus]

If TWW was typical expansion, Rootlands+Worldcore+Ethereals couldn't be more obvious for 11.2. But since it's trilogy, even direct foreshadowing could be about Midnight or even Last Titan.

I still, ekhem, root for it cause it would be very weird to abandon Khaz Algar, randomly go to space and return here in later expac. And it make more sense to go to core in underground expansion and full void zone in space in Midnight. Also, Orweyna would be simply cut, this character make sense only if it leads to patch with bigger Haranir presence.

[Viridiel]

Do we have any lore about Excavation Site 9 and the titan facilities that seem to be there? It seems odd that it's all generic titan design rather than the earthen stuff up top. Were they experimenting with the Black Blood?

[Nymrohd]

Do we have any lore about Excavation Site 9 and the titan facilities that seem to be there? It seems odd that it's all generic titan design rather than the earthen stuff up top. Were they experimenting with the Black Blood?

Earthen stuff don't have ruin assets.

[Ersula]

Earthen stuff don't have ruin assets.

It matches the Uldaman earthen stuff. I think its a safe assuption its from before the playable earthen overthrew the keeper.

[Cheezits]

If I have any issue with Undermine it's that Hobgoblins are entirely skipped over. Either they wanted to focus on goblins entirely and have more in store for hobs, or they didn't bother to touch on them as they are kind of a slave/thrall race (and SL/DF proved modern audiences aren't okay with that kind of idea considering how many people whined about the Stewards and Dragonkin).

I don't think there's anything wrong with slave races in fiction but its clearly a sensitive topic for modern WoW players.

[Ersula]

If I have any issue with Undermine it's that Hobgoblins are entirely skipped over. Either they wanted to focus on goblins entirely and have more in store for hobs, or they didn't bother to touch on them as they are kind of a slave/thrall race (and SL/DF proved modern audiences aren't okay with that kind of idea considering how many people whined about the Stewards and Dragonkin).

I don't think there's anything wrong with slave races in fiction but its clearly a sensitive topic for modern WoW players.

I'd like to play as a hobgoblin but I can see why its not a popular race. But if anything I think Undermine shows them as fully integrated in Goblin society. They see them as goblins. There's even hobgoblin scientists so clearly Ogre's problems didn't affect them on a genetic level.

[Nymrohd]

I'd like to play as a hobgoblin but I can see why its not a popular race. But if anything I think Undermine shows them as fully integrated in Goblin society. They see them as goblins. There's even hobgoblin scientists so clearly Ogre's problems didn't affect them on a genetic level.

Yeah that is pretty much it. They are not presented as slaves, rather as a different type of goblin. Could have used some hobgoblins in a position of power but hey. Would have loved female hob models though.

[Jolly Roger]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=215159/pillaged-trophy



Note that this seems to be a copy of

https://www.wowhead.com/item=191405/alvis-ledger

remember the remnant of the void in the emerald dream that eventually bloomed?
possible that is similar but this time the flower wasnt uprooted

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i think we will see locus walker turn traitor at some point this expansion because dude is so shady and we are getting more ethereal stuff.
Alleria will either turn or get possessed
Xal's identity as a fragment of the 5th old god will be revealed

rootlands and the harronir are possible this expansion just for the fact they are tied to the black blood and we are going to likely wrap that storyline up before midnight

[Nymrohd]

Btw did you all know that you can turn in CHETT lists with each of your alts to your current weekly cartel's quartermaster for 500 rep?

[Nibelheimy]

I'd like to play as a hobgoblin but I can see why its not a popular race. But if anything I think Undermine shows them as fully integrated in Goblin society. They see them as goblins. There's even hobgoblin scientists so clearly Ogre's problems didn't affect them on a genetic level.

This patch has really made me want playable Hobgoblins. Probably to fill the Ogre hole, but they are brilliant regardless.

[Eldryth]

Apparently there's been a hidden thing from Season 1 (it was discovered early on, but I only heard about it now and never saw the story impact came up) that already revealed which Ethereal faction we've been dealing with.

Each time you use Ky'veza's Treacherous Transmitter trinket in the open world, it has a rare chance of summoning an Ethereal mob that drops a toy to turn you into an Ethereal. But the important thing here is said mob's name: Ethereum Void Reaper.

So unless this is a complete red herring, we're not dealing with the Shadowguard, or a new villainous faction- we're fighting the original Ethereal villains introduced all the way back in Burning Crusade: the Ethereum.


Which also makes their agenda clear, barring any major changes that they've went through since we last fought them. The Ethereum are K'aresh's former ruling class, and are completely obsessed with getting revenge on Dimensius and his forces, no matter the cost. They consider anyone who refuses to join them an enemy, and worked to "become Void" themselves for the power they need.

So whatever they plan to do with the Dark Heart, it's most likely part of a plan to kill Dimensius. Perhaps they want to drain his power to weaken him, or empower themselves, or just use it directly as a weapon somehow; but killing Dimenius has been their clear end goal ever since Burning Crusade.


Also, on a somewhat related note, the Ethereals are pretty well-suited to have a bunch of sub-factions just like Undermine's Cartels. They could give us different rewards for the Protectorate, Consortium, and a couple new groups to flesh out their society even more.

[Joshuaj]

I mean, this would make sense, as the Ethereum hate Dimensius, and it's entirely possible Xal'atath is the All-Devouring's herald.