The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Marlamin]

Meh, I have been watching them for a while now. Very much doubt that they would hype next week on something like that. They know that their audience don't care much about such things.

If that's the case it might be something else, yeah. Granted, we had no big announcements from Blizzard at all last week. They mentioned the housing stuff in the weekly recap but that's pretty much it.

[Darkarath]

If that's the case it might be something else, yeah. Granted, we had no big announcements from Blizzard at all last week. They mentioned the housing stuff in the weekly recap but that's pretty much it.

Actually, I remember that I saw somewhere, some supposed leaked changes regarding raids and PvP for 11.2. I found the ''leaked PvP changes'':

The Gladiator title is being removed because having multiple titles at 2400 is awkward. We will be maintaining the Elite title at 2400 and at 2700 there will be a permanent seasonal elite (the Prized Elite Warlock) title granted. Rated shuffle and Rated BG blitz will not be elligible for this title. BGB will have Elite Warlord and Elite Marshal as permant titles at 2700. Seasonal Rank 1 Gladiator titles will remain unaffected. The Gladiator mount will be incrementally unlocked with increasing level of detail starting at 1400 with more armor and adornments being added to it automatically at 1600, 1800, 1950 and fully unlocked at 2100

Pvp elite sets are being reduced to 1600

Also they mentioned that LFR difficulty would be gone and Normal Raid would be the new LFR. That would certainly be an interesting topic to talk about.

I don't believe a word of any of these, though.

[Lady Atia]

Actually, I remember that I saw somewhere, some supposed leaked changes regarding raids and PvP for 11.2. I found the ''leaked PvP changes'':



Also they mentioned that LFR difficulty would be gone and Normal Raid would be the new LFR. That would certainly be an interesting topic to talk about.

I don't believe a word of any of these, though.

A girl can dream but these sound a bit too good.

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BfA to Midnight have 3 expansions inbetween.
TBC to Legion had 4.
Sounds like enough time has passed. Also they could definitely have her transform, or change her up completely for the final fight.

Also the BfA fight was weird as fuck, it felt more like a trash fight than an endboss imo. Plus she will prolly get a big powerup anyways before we fight her again.

[Albertillo]

A girl can dream but these sound a bit too good.

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Also the BfA fight was weird as fuck, it felt more like a trash fight than an endboss imo. Plus she will prolly get a big powerup anyways before we fight her again.

Why would erasing LFR difficulty a good thing? There are many people who do it because they don't have time to commit to a raid schedule and prefer to do it in parts easily in their free time to at least see the raid. I don't think they will ever do that. Maybe they could try to balace a bit the difficulty, because now it's too easy, but taking rid of it... I don't think so.

[Makorus]

Could be a change in the mythic raid format? Blizzard actually doing something like a tournament realm? Mythic 10man? Not saying any of that would happen (I know I'd love Mythic 10man but let's face it, it would be a disaster for guilds).
Or maybe they took all the feedback for the dinar system and are giving us some announcement on Mythic raiding rewards, maybe a new bad luck protection system (that is actually about bad luck)

idk, there's not much you can do in terms of Mythic raid format changes other than 10 man which isn't going to help much.

Best bet would be changing the lockout system.

[Lady Atia]

Why would erasing LFR difficulty a good thing? There are many people who do it because they don't have time to commit to a raid schedule and prefer to do it in parts easily in their free time to at least see the raid. I don't think they will ever do that. Maybe they could try to balace a bit the difficulty, because now it's too easy, but taking rid of it... I don't think so.

I was mainly talking about the pvp changes, I'm a CE mythic raider I don't care about lfr lol.

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idk, there's not much you can do in terms of Mythic raid format changes other than 10 man which isn't going to help much.

Best bet would be changing the lockout system.

Lockout changes and Mythic flex would be huge though.

[Makorus]

I was mainly talking about the pvp changes, I'm a CE mythic raider I don't care about lfr lol.

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Lockout changes and Mythic flex would be huge though.

Mythic Flex would be terrible and would probably get me to stop raiding. People don't think through the implications of flex Mythic.

[Lady Atia]

Mythic Flex would be terrible and would probably get me to stop raiding. People don't think through the implications of flex Mythic.

Well, as an officer of a Mythic Guild I can tell you it would make raid orga alot easier as you wouldn't have to deal with benchplayers.

They could still say you have to do it with lets say 20 people for HoF if the want to avoid weird scaling issues.

[Makorus]

Well, as an officer of a Mythic Guild I can tell you it would make raid orga alot easier as you wouldn't have to deal with benchplayers.

They could still say you have to do it with lets say 20 people for HoF if the want to avoid weird scaling issues.

idk, as someone who used to be a GM up until recently, the concept of having to bench people because the boss is just twice as easy on 10 man versus 20 man, but then needing 25 people for the next boss because it's twice as easy that way just sounds like a logistic nightmare.

It's already that case with Heroic, but it's Heroic so it doesn't really matter. On Mythic, where you will try to get every advantage you can? Yeah, you'd be dumb not to do that.

[Lady Atia]

idk, as someone who used to be a GM up until recently, the concept of having to bench people because the boss is just twice as easy on 10 man versus 20 man, but then needing 25 people for the next boss because it's twice as easy that way just sounds like a logistic nightmare.

It's already that case with Heroic, but it's Heroic so it doesn't really matter. On Mythic, where you will try to get every advantage you can? Yeah, you'd be dumb not to do that.

Wouldn't matter if they aim to make Mythic as a whole more accessible and easier, which while not what most current Mythic players may want, would still be healthier for the game overall.


(besides the fact that right now with all the nerfs and % buffs and turboboost, Mythic raiding isn't "hard" anymore anyways - the hard part is to get and keep a roster of enough players who play close enough to each other that no one complains)

[Sondrelk]

Why in the world would LFR be retired? It gives distinct rewards and is an actual fott in the door of actual raiding. Without it the players who are afraid to join social PvE content wouldnt have anywhere to go.

Also it's easy content that gives more appearances. And I am really not sure Story Mode is where you would want to place it instead.

[Lady Atia]

Why in the world would LFR be retired? It gives distinct rewards and is an actual fott in the door of actual raiding. Without it the players who are afraid to join social PvE content wouldnt have anywhere to go.

Also it's easy content that gives more appearances. And I am really not sure Story Mode is where you would want to place it instead.

Just make normal optional q'able? I mean it's already so easy that you can oneshot everything in there on day 1 of the season.

[Makorus]

Removing LFR and making normal queueable just makes Raiding even less approachable imo.

[Sondrelk]

Just make normal optional q'able? I mean it's already so easy that you can oneshot everything in there on day 1 of the season.

That would just move the mode where everyone is expected to not know anything from LFR to NM. It wouldnt actually solve anything besides NM possibly being superfluous.

[Fiercelord]

I doubt there will be any news this week because they might want all focus on upcoming Horrific Visions that are going live very soon.
Hoping we get some news the week after.

[Scyth]

Lfr isn’t going anywhere unless they make normal queueable instead. Not sure that would be better though but there’s a lot of casual players who do lfr and the outcry would be crazy if it were removed.

Doesn’t matter how easy it is, it has a purpose.

[milkmustache]

Gut feeling we may get some news this week? I've been getting a lot of targeted ads for WoW in the past two days, far more than I ever do. Can't help but feel this is maybe aligning with a 11.2 announcement?

Most likely astronomical cope.

[Nymrohd]

Lfr isn’t going anywhere unless they make normal queueable instead.

Well, why not make Normal available in a queue. Heck do it in wings, use the Renown track for unlocks. I wish I could start PuG groups for HC raids in a winged format so we can do one third of the raid which is doable in a reasonable timeframe.

[Sondrelk]

There is a small chance, since Horrific Visions are out tomorrow. I'm thinking there might be lore revelations inside that caused an intentional delay?

Otherwise June 25th.

I am going to guess that there really won't be any lore revelations. The only reason we got it later was to have a more staggered release for better metrics.

[Limayria]

Removing LFR and making normal queueable just makes Raiding even less approachable imo.

But if they removed lfr, combined vet/champ track and made mythic flex with regular lock outs while combining myth and hero track it'd be a net positive for the game and for onboarding new players

I also would imagine we'd end up in a situation where normal mode got significantly more battle rezes to use if it was made queable