The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Khaza-R]

Wasn't the Primus the one who created domination magic anyway? So wouldn't the link be between him and the Drust, not Zovaal.

Given the lack of any brokers, Cartel Xy, or Ven'ari in Undermine, I wouldn't expect Shadowlands updates anytime soon

[milkmustache]

Given the lack of any brokers, Cartel Xy, or Ven'ari in Undermine, I wouldn't expect Shadowlands updates anytime soon

This is my general feeling as well. Gallywix gave them a perfect opportunity to follow up on his interactions with the Brokers, who were one of the more enjoyed portions of Shadowlands. Blizzard deciding not to use that thread feels like a pretty decent indication that Shadowlands stuff isn't going to be relevant for a good long while.

And while I know there's a lot of speculation on the Ethereals relating to the Brokers, this is just speculation and theorizing based off of similar vibes. The displayed connection between this raid tier's final boss and the Brokers wasn't even picked up, so I can't imagine it'll be brought up for Ethereals.

[Khaza-R]

This is my general feeling as well. Gallywix gave them a perfect opportunity to follow up on his interactions with the Brokers, who were one of the more enjoyed portions of Shadowlands. Blizzard deciding not to use that thread feels like a pretty decent indication that Shadowlands stuff isn't going to be relevant for a good long while.

And while I know there's a lot of speculation on the Ethereals relating to the Brokers, this is just speculation and theorizing based off of similar vibes. The displayed connection between this raid tier's final boss and the Brokers wasn't even picked up, so I can't imagine it'll be brought up for Ethereals.

Unfortunate really. Tazavesh was one of the more fun pieces of lore from SL. Having some secret weapon Gallywix purchased from the Broker's as a deal would of been a perfect raid boss. So much so that them skipping it makes me think it was very intentional and not just a case of the devs forgetting about it.

Although I do really like the fan theory that he made some sort of deal with his afterlife. So I guess there's a sliver of a chance we could see some connection in the future.

[NZephyrus]

Blizzard deciding not to use that thread feels like a pretty decent indication that Shadowlands stuff isn't going to be relevant for a good long while.

They probably want to not *focus* on it or put it front-and-center for a while, due to how hated it was, but Dragonflight just had the Ysera-Malfurion swap for a chunk of it's plot and then in the Emerald Dream chapter we had members of the Night Fae present. They were gathered off to the side, but they were there if you were paying attention. So, they're not against using stuff from Shadowlands, but it probably just didn't fit their current plans or killed the pacing/mood they wanted.

And death isn't always the end for characters in WoW, after all, so we might get to learn more about the connection there later. Heck, the details of the connection between Gallywix and the Brokers might come to light by talking to or otherwise interacting with the Brokers later on. Maybe if/when we get half of Tazavesh as a M+ dungeon? It would be good synergy.

I'm glad they saved the Drust for later as they are a very interesting faction and could be the ultimate foe against Elune and Life, if it's not the Gnolls themselves going crazy with decay.

Perhaps even have the two work together, or one under the control or influence of the other? Mon-Ark did say that Wratheye would probably want to try to corrupt the new World Tree, and it wouldn't surprise me if she still has followers. I'd say there's definitely potential for an alliance of convenience there.

[Joshuaj]

Wasn't the Primus the one who created domination magic anyway? So wouldn't the link be between him and the Drust, not Zovaal.

Given the lack of any brokers, Cartel Xy, or Ven'ari in Undermine, I wouldn't expect Shadowlands updates anytime soon

Why would they be relevant? The Brokers probably wouldn't find much value in Goblin trinkets. Also, Tazavesh IS mentioned in Undermine, so Blizzard at least recognizes the Shadowlands.

[Polybius]

Why would they be relevant? The Brokers probably wouldn't find much value in Goblin trinkets. Also, Tazavesh IS mentioned in Undermine, so Blizzard at least recognizes the Shadowlands.

Before Undermine, Gallywix was last seen in Taz'avesh. We don't know how or why.

[milkmustache]

They probably want to not *focus* on it or put it front-and-center for a while, due to how hated it was, but Dragonflight just had the Ysera-Malfurion swap for a chunk of it's plot and then in the Emerald Dream chapter we had members of the Night Fae present. They were gathered off to the side, but they were there if you were paying attention. So, they're not against using stuff from Shadowlands, but it probably just didn't fit their current plans or killed the pacing/mood they wanted.

And death isn't always the end for characters in WoW, after all, so we might get to learn more about the connection there later. Heck, the details of the connection between Gallywix and the Brokers might come to light by talking to or otherwise interacting with the Brokers later on. Maybe if/when we get half of Tazavesh as a M+ dungeon? It would be good synergy.

Sure, little mentions or callbacks to Shadowlands will still happen, but I don't think it would maintain relevancy. But I'm not too sure the Dragonflight example is the best one to use, as those two things were directly tied in completing the narrative thread. Dragonflight was well into development during Shadowlands and Ysera's arc was to take place across two different expansions. If anything I'd say they obviously reacted to the Shadowlands reception as the Ysera/Malfurion situation seemed to have pivoted course at some point in development.

Regarding the potential of Tazavesh returning for M+ and revealing more about the Gallywix story... when and why? If that was gonna happen it would have happened this patch. Tazavesh would've worked better here than Theater of Pain (which I can only assume is in reference to Cauldron of Carnage). It doesn't seem like something they have much interest in picking up aside from a one of dialogue to lightly close the thread.

[Joshuaj]

Before Undermine, Gallywix was last seen in Taz'avesh. We don't know how or why.

Probably to trade and make bank lol.

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Gallywix was a trade prince, why wouldn't he trade with the Brokers? To him, that's an easy business opportunity.

[Pheraz]

From what I gather on this forum at least, a lot of veteran players seem to want a sort of restart to WoW without losing all their cosmetics and achievements.

So maybe that is best for the game in the long-run. New and old players starting fresh. I am not sure how feasible that would be from a gameplay and character progression perspective. But seeing as they are capable of making seperate game modes like Remix and Plunderstorm, I could see them making a seperate new era mode for 14.0.



That's interesting. But I can understand. Boralus and Kul Tiras were pretty unique in feeling immersive and "lived in". So I wonder if that's why they are drawn to it over more recent expansions

Yes I think they know that from the music + vibe + quest design they where eventually at the best mix in bfa.
Also, bfa is much much better now than it was back then. Because the whole azerite crap is optional. The war campaign on alliance side is top tier, plus overall quests are top tier plus the music and the vibe. I'm repeating myself but I hope that midnight could pick up some of the design principles of bfa

[Valysar]

Probably to trade and make bank lol.

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Gallywix was a trade prince, why wouldn't he trade with the Brokers? To him, that's an easy business opportunity.

Btw one of the delves Underpin's rare is "Calling your broker" (even if it's a reguler goblin lol)

[huth]

Btw one of the delves Underpin's rare is "Calling your broker" (even if it's a reguler goblin lol)

That's just in referencing the profession. That one also calls their mother if they live long enough.

[Melorandor]

Has there been any leaks lately in regards to 11.2 and or Midnight?

[Sondrelk]

Has there been any leaks lately in regards to 11.2 and or Midnight?

Nothing beyond the datamined PvP cloak and references to Ethereal Raid.

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Yes I think they know that from the music + vibe + quest design they where eventually at the best mix in bfa.
Also, bfa is much much better now than it was back then. Because the whole azerite crap is optional. The war campaign on alliance side is top tier, plus overall quests are top tier plus the music and the vibe. I'm repeating myself but I hope that midnight could pick up some of the design principles of bfa

Still so sad thinking back to BfA. That expansion should have been such an easy slam dunk. Iconic locations with iconic enemies. Naval theme to create opportunities for exploring islands. And a faction war to bring back the RTS flavor with warfronts.

And then everything went to shit

[Hitei]

Has there been any leaks lately in regards to 11.2 and or Midnight?

We haven't had a legitimate leak prior to... one week before reveal? ten days? Since like Legion.

[Darkarath]

We haven't had a legitimate leak prior to... one week before reveal? ten days? Since like Legion.

I think that DF was leaked. A press conference kit or something like that. And of course both DF's patches were leaked pretty soon.

[Mackud]

Has there been any leaks lately in regards to 11.2 and or Midnight?

Yes. There's been a few doodads on the internet regarding an extension to Stratholme and then Ion says Stratholme is part of the storyline suggests there's more truth to them rather than private server shenanigans.

The extension is from the very old Naxx entrance, not the Eastern Plaguelands one, the old one, where the non elite adds flood in from after killing Rammstein

It's just too spoiler heavy to say what it contains to the point it outright ruins it but I've got a slight hint what's going on there

[Darkarath]

Yes. There's been a few doodads on the internet regarding an extension to Stratholme and then Ion says Stratholme is part of the storyline suggests there's more truth to them rather than private server shenanigans.

The extension is from the very old Naxx entrance, not the Eastern Plaguelands one, the old one, where the non elite adds flood in from after killing Rammstein

It's just too spoiler heavy to say what it contains to the point it outright ruins it but I've got a slight hint what's going on there

What? Ion said that Stratholme is part of Midnight's story? Where?

[Hitei]

I think that DF was leaked. A press conference kit or something like that. And of course both DF's patches were leaked pretty soon.

We got the photograph of the printing samples (?) of Alexstrasza's key art and the logo, and a cinematic shot + some of the dracthyr information/images from one of the posters in the thread, but I think all of that was in the week leading up to announcement.

Every expansion has leaked, my point was just that the past ~4 or so expansions have only leaked in the week or two right before they were revealed. So if that continues we can't expect any actual Midnight leakage until like 10.2 is already out. Unless we are counting the cheeky dev hints, like the blood elf lamppost.

[Mackud]

What? Ion said that Stratholme is part of Midnight's story? Where?

You living under a rock or something?

He's pretty much confirmed some zones are getting total revamps to reflect the current world - No specific which ones but Hinterlands is a #1 contender for it and Stratholme (non-instanced) is in the story.

[Hitei]

You living under a rock or something?

He's pretty much confirmed some zones are getting total revamps to reflect the current world - No specific which ones but Hinterlands is a #1 contender for it and Stratholme (non-instanced) is in the story.

Do you have a source?