The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Merryck]

Fuck it. We get K'aresh and Rootlands in the same patch, ala 8.2 with Nazjatar and Mechagon Isles.

K'aresh will be like the Maw - a hostile place that we don't want to visit for too long. But hopefully not shit. (Coincidence that they're bringing back Ve'nari? Probably).

Rootlands can be a traditional zone with some interesting verticality and a new dynamic ground mount - maybe that weird armadillo(?) that got datamined.

How do they connect? I mean, Nazjatar and Mechagon Isles were not related at all but it still worked. Blizzard could think of a way. Maybe we're going to K'aresh to gain some wisdom from the Ethereals on how they might've prevented the end of their world (and also scout out what they're doing with the Dark Heart). And we'd be going to the Rootlands to apply some of that wisdom.

[Ersula]

Is there any actual story prologue to 11.2? Is it encrypted? Because if not we are definitely not going to Karesh. We have no reason to. Sure they'll be Ethereals but why would we go there? There are already Ethereals who live on this planet.

Don't say that guy took the Dark Heart to Karesh, you can't just take a portal to another planet. It's a giant endeavor. Illidan needed Pillars and a warpkey for us to go to Argus.

[Viridiel]

wo reasons I think this is unlikely:
1) Don't know who would be the group for the inevitable Amani zone.
2) I really don't think that, despite Twitter/Bsky whining, they are going to villainbat the Amani again. Way more likely there will be a rebel group or, in a twist, they are friendly. So the Amani will very likely be their own renown.

Void elves! I'm really into the idea that the Amani have uncovered Kith'ix, but instead of being corrupted or killed they learned to control him and his power using voodoo and/or demoniac techniques and have achieved perfect control over the Void. It's implied (outright claimed by some) that the void elves are inevitably going to lose control over the Void in their current state, so there's still something missing to convince the blood elves that they're safe to have around.

I think broadly speaking Eversong Woods will be the blood elf story, Ghostlands will be the nightborne/night elf story (night elves should take a major backseat but Farodin can show up to help the nightborne create another Arcan'dor to replace Thas'alah), Zul'aman will be the void elf story, and a new underwater naga zone (around Quel'danas?) will be the high elf story, perhaps featuring Arator.

I'm afraid the theme of Midnight is 100% going to be letting go of old grudges, despite how angry that's going to make people who are sick of "feelings" in their Warcraft. I don't think everyone's going to be best friends, but if the void elves can form a relationship with the Amani and the blood elves can trust the void elves again, we have a tentative peace between all of the elves and the Amani.

[Monkal]

Is there any actual story prologue to 11.2? Is it encrypted? Because if not we are definitely not going to Karesh. We have no reason to. Sure they'll be Ethereals but why would we go there? There are already Ethereals who live on this planet.

Don't say that guy took the Dark Heart to Karesh, you can't just take a portal to another planet. It's a giant endeavor. Illidan needed Pillars and a warpkey for us to go to Argus.

Yea but ethereals have always displayed technology more advanced than anyone else's.

[Nibelheimy]

Is there any actual story prologue to 11.2? Is it encrypted? Because if not we are definitely not going to Karesh. We have no reason to. Sure they'll be Ethereals but why would we go there? There are already Ethereals who live on this planet.

Don't say that guy took the Dark Heart to Karesh, you can't just take a portal to another planet. It's a giant endeavor. Illidan needed Pillars and a warpkey for us to go to Argus.

Absolutely. We know Xal'atath has a reason to chase after the Ethereals. But we don't yet. Depends on whether the patch reveal trailer shows that particular reason, or the end of the 10.2 raid. I'm more inclined to believe the raid finale would reveal that.

11.2 - Ethereals enter Worldcore. Drain Azeroth of the Radiant song or whatever plot device that allows the planet to fully fall to void.
12.0 - Races rally at Silvermoon, last baston of light, and unite the elf tribes to strengthen said bastion.
12.1/2 - Go to K'aresh to return Radiant song/plot device to our planet to repel the void.

Otherwise its just, hey, we going to K'aresh now becuase Xal'atath wants to and that must be bad.

[Nightshade711]

Don't say that guy took the Dark Heart to Karesh, you can't just take a portal to another planet. It's a giant endeavor. Illidan needed Pillars and a warpkey for us to go to Argus.

He didn’t need the pillars (or the keystone) to go to another planet. (He sends us to Mardum without it, for example.)

He needed the keystone to open a massive planet-sized rift to Argus to force us to through and deal with it.

[Makorus]

Fuck it. We get K'aresh and Rootlands in the same patch, ala 8.2 with Nazjatar and Mechagon Isles.

K'aresh will be like the Maw - a hostile place that we don't want to visit for too long. But hopefully not shit. (Coincidence that they're bringing back Ve'nari? Probably).

Rootlands can be a traditional zone with some interesting verticality and a new dynamic ground mount - maybe that weird armadillo(?) that got datamined.

How do they connect? I mean, Nazjatar and Mechagon Isles were not related at all but it still worked. Blizzard could think of a way. Maybe we're going to K'aresh to gain some wisdom from the Ethereals on how they might've prevented the end of their world (and also scout out what they're doing with the Dark Heart). And we'd be going to the Rootlands to apply some of that wisdom.

idk about wasting Karesh on a half zone.

The more I think about it, the more Karesh doesnt really make sense. But Blizzard majorly shot themselves in the foot by the 11.1 ending, because people will expect something that's not Rootlands.

[Pyrophax]

Rootlands could be zone, K'aresh could be raid finale.
Or - devs introduse K'aresh this early just to tease and point main plot to inevitable fight vs Void. To put Etherial aligment not to Xal foots - but Dimensius from some Void place. Why you are so sure it is K'aresh in a first place?

[Dvalin]

Absolutely. We know Xal'atath has a reason to chase after the Ethereals. But we don't yet. Depends on whether the patch reveal trailer shows that particular reason, or the end of the 10.2 raid. I'm more inclined to believe the raid finale would reveal that.

11.2 - Ethereals enter Worldcore. Drain Azeroth of the Radiant song or whatever plot device that allows the planet to fully fall to void.
12.0 - Races rally at Silvermoon, last baston of light, and unite the elf tribes to strengthen said bastion.
12.1/2 - Go to K'aresh to return Radiant song/plot device to our planet to repel the void.

Otherwise its just, hey, we going to K'aresh now becuase Xal'atath wants to and that must be bad.

I sincerely doubt the whole world will be plunged in the Void. I think the invasion during Midnight will focus on Quel'thalas, specifically.

I also think Ve'nari and Locuswalker will fill us in with the necessary details for us to start pursueing Azir.

[Makorus]

Rootlands could be zone, K'aresh could be raid finale.
Or - devs introduse K'aresh this early just to tease and point main plot to inevitable fight vs Void. To put Etherial aligment not to Xal foots - but Dimensius from some Void place. Why you are so sure it is K'aresh in a first place?

The odds of it being another fractured and destroyed Void planet with Ethereals is very slim.

Wasting Karesh on a raid will go down exactly like Nyalotha did, and even half a patch would be shit. But at the same time, pacing-wise, Karesh doesn't really make sense as the last patch. But then, they did give us a cliffhanger to get us all excited, and it would be extremely misleading to be like "Oh yeah, that? That's gonna be handled at some point in the future ".

[Sondrelk]

idk about wasting Karesh on a half zone.

The more I think about it, the more Karesh doesnt really make sense. But Blizzard majorly shot themselves in the foot by the 11.1 ending, because people will expect something that's not Rootlands.

This would be more on players not being used to the concept or the saga as narrative framing.

Teasing K'aresh now, and then cashing in on that buildup in 12.2 makes perfect sense when you think about the Saga as a cohesive whole, rather than as three separate expansions.

[Mecheon]

Absolutely. We know Xal'atath has a reason to chase after the Ethereals. But we don't yet. Depends on whether the patch reveal trailer shows that particular reason, or the end of the 10.2 raid. I'm more inclined to believe the raid finale would reveal that.

11.2 - Ethereals enter Worldcore. Drain Azeroth of the Radiant song or whatever plot device that allows the planet to fully fall to void.
12.0 - Races rally at Silvermoon, last baston of light, and unite the elf tribes to strengthen said bastion.
12.1/2 - Go to K'aresh to return Radiant song/plot device to our planet to repel the void.

Otherwise its just, hey, we going to K'aresh now becuase Xal'atath wants to and that must be bad.

My thoughts are similar, though I don't think its going to fall to void. The ethereals will come to the Cradle because they're trying to get a hold of Something that might restore K'aresh, and in the process of the raid some void entity wakes up over K'aresh side and starts making its way towards Azeroth proper, before arriving in Midnight to cause problems

[Lahis]

Understandable, have a good day.

I guess the addon stuff is what was mentioned as being related to RWF?

YEah the killing off addons is kind of a big deal.

[Nymrohd]

YEah the killing off addons is kind of a big deal.

Yeah those changes are crazy. No tracking incoming heals???

[Dvalin]

K'aresh being on par with Argus and Nya'lotha is pure fanon. We only knew it was destroyed by Dimensius, and its name. That's it. All kinds of extra meaning we gave it has been projection made by fans, not from implications shown made in-game.

It could very well be a mostly-abandoned rock, a testament to the destruction wrought by the Void, instead of some kind of endboss stronghold. It definitely could be a good destination before we actually face the brunt of the Void forces in Midnight.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah those changes are crazy. No tracking incoming heals???

No, it's actually great for pvp. People shouldn't be "better" because they have an addon.

And for PVE, I imagine it will take away some toxicity aswell. Does it help that someone with omni CD can play backseat gamer and tell you to press ability XY cause they see you have it ready? Yes maybe but it shouldn't be something people can do without consens, atleast.

The only thing that may be annoying is not seeing who has an interrupt ready but they already said they plan to scale back the game so you don't have to anyways, which again is a good direction aswell. Also, there is still the classic way of assigning marks to each player for interrupts.

[Makorus]

K'aresh being on par with Argus and Nya'lotha is pure fanon. We only knew it was destroyed by Dimensius, and its name. That's it. All kinds of extra meaning we gave it has been projection made by fans, not from implications shown made in-game.

It could very well be a mostly-abandoned rock, a testament to the destruction wrought by the Void, instead of some kind of endboss stronghold. It definitely could be a good destination before we actually face the brunt of the Void forces in Midnight.

It could be, but that's wasting an extremely good potential for no reason. Funnily enough, it's the exact same argument as Nyalotha. We knew nothing about Nyalotha until Warbringers Azshara, and even then, all we saw was literally a snippet of it than wasn't even explicitly Nyalotha.

The Wiki is an amazing source for things like that, because here is the Nyalotha wiki page from before BfA. The reason the community is annoyed at Nyalotha is because it was wasted potential.

In fact, looking at the Wiki page for K'aresh, it is never actually explicitly stated to be destroyed, just stated that "it was lost to the Void".

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No, it's actually great for pvp. People shouldn't be "better" because they have an addon.

And for PVE, I imagine it will take away some toxicity aswell. Does it help that someone with omni CD can play backseat gamer and tell you to press ability XY cause they see you have it ready? Yes maybe but it shouldn't be something people can do without consens, atleast.

The only thing that may be annoying is not seeing who has an interrupt ready but they already said they plan to scale back the game so you don't have to anyways, which again is a good direction aswell. Also, there is still the classic way of assigning marks to each player for interrupts.

Plus, Blizzard has said that because they will get rid of interrupt tracking etc., they will make it so that there is less important stuff to kick. People only look at the addon changes without the context of what Blizzard actually said.

[Lady Atia]

It could be, but that's wasting an extremely good potential for no reason. Funnily enough, it's the exact same argument as Nyalotha. We knew nothing about Nyalotha until Warbringers Azshara, and even then, all we saw was literally a snippet of it than wasn't even explicitly Nyalotha.

The Wiki is an amazing source for things like that, because here is the Nyalotha wiki page from before BfA. The reason the community is annoyed at Nyalotha is because it was wasted potential.

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Plus, Blizzard has said that because they will get rid of interrupt tracking etc., they will make it so that there is less important stuff to kick. People only look at the addon changes without the context of what Blizzard actually said.

Yeah, also even with a list of available interrupts - if everyone kicks the same target you don't get anything out of it. So most times with randoms, people just use it to shift blame anyways.

[Makorus]

Yeah, also even with a list of available interrupts - if everyone kicks the same target you don't get anything out of it. So most times with randoms, people just use it to shift blame anyways.

I've been saying it for a while now that Kicks would really benefit from a safety buffer, where if two people kick at the same time, the one that hit the spell later gets a CD reduction.

[Rootsbum]

When ish will we hear more about midnight?
Housing is neat and all, but im not here to play animal crossing; but to slay stuff , look cool doing it and neat spells lol.