The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Just like they allow everyone to have silly mogs, that will also be the same. I don't think they're gonna put any limits at all to what kind of exterior you can have.

As long as we're allowed to vote people out of a neighborhood, that's fine.

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I imagine it won't be. It will just be a bit jarring to have stuff like the gothic Forsaken themed houses in the sun bleached canyons of Durotar.

Probably better placed in the Azshara section.

[Nymrohd]

As long as we're allowed to vote people out of a neighborhood, that's fine.

Elwynn Home Owners Association, the final villain of Warcraft.

[Dracullus]

As long as we're allowed to vote people out of a neighborhood, that's fine.

..or just embrace chaos in public neighborhoods and create private one if you want RP with friends.

[Alanar]

Wait a minute.. Its just Argus but K'aresh. Oh god.

Been saying that for ages. Not expecting much more.

2d cardboard houses in the back and all.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Been saying that for ages. Not expecting much more.

2d cardboard houses in the back and all.

I mean it is better than throwing K'aresh into Midnight, I really worry that if they do the heel turn that Midnight becomes a completely incomprehensible mess and the parts that people want with the Quel'thalas and Sunwell will be thrown away rapidly for Planet and Cosmic Outskirts near rim of Great Dark Beyond.

The heel turn is funny though because it essentially melts the entire game into nonsense but I don't want that to happen but if it does happen at least it will lead to consequently funnier situation as we move forward.

[Hitei]

..or just embrace chaos in public neighborhoods and create private one if you want RP with friends.

A pretty poor false binary. I think public neighborhoods are great, it's just that, being on an RP server, it would be nice to have to capability to vote out people who make their house look like a big red and yellow striped murloc or some shit in a neighborhood of people mostly looking for immersion.

[Xilurm]

As long as we're allowed to vote people out of a neighborhood, that's fine.

Does Blizzard take action against people that "disrupt" RP on RP servers?

Anywhere else I'd reckon that would be harassment.

Community based neighbourhoods would work though. Where you'd have to invite someone to live there, and not everyone can just enter.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

They've got a Social Team now, so there's probably going to be a lot of improvements and or systems already in place for the purpose of making it easier to stick in-game longer.

[Al Gorefiend]

A pretty poor false binary. I think public neighborhoods are great, it's just that, being on an RP server, it would be nice to have to capability to vote out people who make their house look like a big red and yellow striped murloc or some shit in a neighborhood of people mostly looking for immersion.

How do people on RP servers deal with people in murloc onesies wielding ashbringer?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I feel like this is a dumb rabbit hole, we're assuming there won't be Neighbourhood management tools and ultimately it will most likely be easy to set your own Neighbourhood up if you want a more managed Neighbourhood if you don't like being thrown it with a RNG Neighbourhood that may or may not feature ridiculous things. In of itself, that may also lead to interesting things too.

[Hitei]

How do people on RP servers deal with people in murloc onesies wielding ashbringer?

It depends on how in the way they are. But RP servers can report people for having dumb names, so it's not like there isn't precedent.

I feel like this is a dumb rabbit hole, we're assuming there won't be Neighbourhood management tools and ultimately it will most likely be easy to set your own Neighbourhood up if you want a more managed Neighbourhood if you don't like being thrown it with a RNG Neighbourhood that may or may not feature ridiculous things. In of itself, that may also lead to interesting things too.

I assume the exact opposite. Why would there not be the ability to vote kick people out of a permanent, randomly assigned public neighborhood when you can vote kick people out of a 15 minute randomly matchmade public dungeon group or 20 minute randomly assigned LFR group?

[NZephyrus]

They've literally said they'll have Private neighborhoods. You want control or say over what your neighbors' house looks like? Set up a Private neighborhood or join one. If you don't care that much, then Public ones are there just like how you can't control what transmog people use in public.

"But RP Server-" Nope. Private Neighborhood. If you want the ability to vote out or control what other people do, take it to the option that Blizzard is literally creating for that. Most people on an RP server are probably there to roleplay anyway, so they're not likely to be overly garish, but if you don't like the idea of someone in your neighborhood having a "murloc" house or whatever, don't join a public neighborhood. End of. Blizzard is already going to give you the tools you need, don't demand to abuse them in areas they're not meant for, please.

[Hitei]

"But RP Server-" Nope.

Cool, but as above, we can already do this with names.

You seem to have wildly misunderstood what a private neighborhood is. They are guild neighborhoods, you don't just make them and I strongly suspect and there will be an enforced minimum active player aspect to them, because if everyone could just casually, alone, make a private neighborhood (and have people just leave or remove them afterwards), people would be able to freely make solo neighborhoods and they'd have just made neighborhoods opt-in to begin with.

[NZephyrus]

Cool, but as above, we can already do this with names.

You seem to have wildly misunderstood what a private neighborhood is. They are guild neighborhoods, you don't just make them and I strongly suspect and there will be an enforced minimum active player aspect to them, because if everyone could just casually, alone, make a private neighborhood (and have people just leave or remove them afterwards), people would be able to freely make solo neighborhoods and they'd have just made neighborhoods opt-in to begin with.

Names are different, and you can report names in non-RP servers, too. I've done it a few times. Doesn't mean they're always changed. It just means you're bringing it to Blizzard's attention.

I've misunderstood nothing, you have.

Public Neighborhoods, which the game servers are responsible for creating as needed and maintaining.
Private Neighborhoods created by groups of friends or guilds to inhabit, progress, and customize together.

Friends OR Guilds. You can totally create any Private Neighborhood you want for whatever reason you want.

They've stated that they want them to encourage social interaction, but they've said NOTHING about minimum requirements thus far that I could find. If you have quotation from Blizzard themselves, please share, otherwise, there's a blue post that WoWHead linked to the same news post the above came from (I can't post links yet, but its the same original first-look news post as above, a blue post in its comments)

We’ve seen a lot of discussion and speculation from the community on WHERE players will be able to have houses. We decided early on that there would be two Housing zones available at launch, one for Alliance and one for Horde, with more possible places to live in the future. The Alliance zone takes inspiration from Elwynn Forest with touches of Westfall and Duskwood, and the Horde’s is inspired by Durotar, its coastline, and Azshara. There are two main reasons for this decision:

Having many housing zones conflicts with the second pillar of designing a feature that is “Deeply Social.” In a world where players can live in many different zones, they become increasingly spread out and even with aggressive sharding, the chance of seeing other players, much less interacting with them, drops quickly.
Putting it bluntly, zones are a lot of work. We’d much rather do a great job with a small number of zones than do a passable job on a large number (or come up with solutions that take the player out of the world into their own personal instance of a zone). We chose these as our starting points because of how iconic they are for their respective factions and how much they feel like home to so many players already.

Sharing the whole thing for context. They created neighborhoods to encourage social interaction, so you're not just sequestered off in the middle of nowhere. It's an MMO, it's natural that they want to encourage social interactions. If you want to have a solo neighborhood, they've said nothing about not being able to create a Private Neighborhood that only you live in. Until they say otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that even if it's like Guilds where you need to sign together, it will probably be like guilds where the GM (or Neighborhood-equivalent) can just kick everyone else out and be alone (Or get the signees to agree to it ahead of time).

[Joshuaj]

I feel like this is a dumb rabbit hole, we're assuming there won't be Neighbourhood management tools and ultimately it will most likely be easy to set your own Neighbourhood up if you want a more managed Neighbourhood if you don't like being thrown it with a RNG Neighbourhood that may or may not feature ridiculous things. In of itself, that may also lead to interesting things too.

There should be a camping ground + a fishing area for your Neighborhood! Would love to have areas where players can just vibe.

[Xilurm]

I can't see being able to kick someone out of a guild as something acceptable, especially not for today's Blizz. They'll get swarmed with complaints if something like that was put in the.

You can't really compare dungeon voting kick to this either since that only exists for people that are toxic and disrupt the gameplay, and even then people abuse it to hell and back. They'd hardly find a good enough excuse to implement something like that for housing.

[huth]

Names are different, and you can report names in non-RP servers, too. I've done it a few times. Doesn't mean they're always changed. It just means you're bringing it to Blizzard's attention.

I've misunderstood nothing, you have.

RP servers do have a different, usually stricter, ruleset for what is considered appropriate.

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I can't see being able to kick someone out of a guild as something acceptable, especially not for today's Blizz. They'll get swarmed with complaints if something like that was put in the.

You can't really compare dungeon voting kick to this either since that only exists for people that are toxic and disrupt the gameplay, and even then people abuse it to hell and back. They'd hardly find a good enough excuse to implement something like that for housing.

Given the permanent nature, i would expect there to be some sort of procedure for it. Might involve an actual human reviewing the case though, since unlike dungeons, the permanent nature also means that some processing time is acceptable. Waiting 5 hours for somebody to get kicked from a dungeon would defeat the purpose, but for a neighbourhood, that'd be fine.

[Hitei]

Friends OR Guilds. You can totally create any Private Neighborhood you want for whatever reason you want.

They've stated that they want them to encourage social interaction, but they've said NOTHING about minimum requirements thus far that I could find. If you have quotation from Blizzard themselves, please share, otherwise, there's a blue post that WoWHead linked to the same news post the above came from (I can't post links yet, but its the same original first-look news post as above, a blue post in its comments)

It's one more line below that:

Public Neighborhoods, which the game servers are responsible for creating as needed and maintaining.
Private Neighborhoods created by groups of friends or guilds to inhabit, progress, and customize together.

So, while an individual player can have a house, a community can have a Neighborhood!

There is going to be a minimum requirement. And that minimum requirement has the additional hurdle of houses being warbound, i.e. Neighborhoods are also warbound, so if it needs ten people, like a guild (and given that neighborhoods are designed for 50 players, it will likely be higher), unlike a guild you can't just ask people's random unguilded alts, you need ten people who aren't already in a guild neighborhood, or who are willing to leave their current neighborhood and then get reassigned when they leave your pseudo-private neighborhood--and all of this is assuming that Blizzard doesn't use the built in population sensors of the system (see Red text, neighborhoods have layer tech that lets the server know when more need to be made or when neighborhoods are dead and should be removed) to also keep track of people abusing the system to make solo neighborhoods. Because if you need say, 15 or 20 players to make a private neighborhood, and neighborhoods track activity, why would the neighborhood not, when 14 of those players leave go "You don't have enough players"?

Names are different, and you can report names in non-RP servers, too. I've done it a few times. Doesn't mean they're always changed. It just means you're bringing it to Blizzard's attention.

No, friend. I'm not talking about general name reports. RP servers have specific additional rules:

World of Warcraft Role Play (RP) realms are intended to provide players with an added level of immersion in the game world and names on these realms must avoid being disruptive to the world. Examples of common unacceptable or disruptive RP names include (but are not limited to):

Non-medieval or non-fantasy names (For example: Slipnslide, Robotman, Discoinferno)
Names that reference well known people, characters, brands, places, or icons (For example: Britneyspears, Austinpowers, Mcdonalds, Georgewashington, Newyork)
Names that consist of multiple words (For example: Inyourface, Welovebeef, Howareyou, Sixtyseventy)

Blizzard reserves the right to assign a random name to any character violating our RP naming policy. For more severe or repeat violations, we may apply additional penalties to the account.

That allow you to report people for just having dumb names that aren't actually names. e.g. Frostitue, or IfightHordies. Because immersion is an important thing on them. I agree, transmog has jumped the shark. But that doesn't change that immersion is important, and it also doesn't change that a public neighborhood should be able to collectively decide that some player isn't a good fit for the neighborhood for whatever reason, just like a random dungeon group can.

[Joshuaj]

I'm hoping Blizzard can make it to where players can have their own solo private neighborhood area or so, idk.

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Tho, I think Private Neighborhoods will be like guild charters, with 5 folks or so being needed to make one.

[Hitei]

I can't see being able to kick someone out of a guild as something acceptable, especially not for today's Blizz. They'll get swarmed with complaints if something like that was put in the.

You can't really compare dungeon voting kick to this either since that only exists for people that are toxic and disrupt the gameplay, and even then people abuse it to hell and back. They'd hardly find a good enough excuse to implement something like that for housing.

Why would they get swarmed? You can exactly compare it to dungeon votes, because on a fundamental level we are talking about the same thing. A group of randomly put together players deciding that one (or whatever) player is disruptive to the group's experience. Some groups kick for low DPS, or kick for being an asshole, or kick for a person being AFK for too long, or whatever. It's not just "this person is intentionally killing the group, or is spamming slurs in chat".

If your neighborhood is made up of 49 RPers and the 50th guy is using a bunch of objects cleverly stuck together to create twitch emotes or some other meme nonsense on their plot--how would that not be a reasonable case of disrupting the experience for the rest of that neighborhood?

The situation is even less room for complaint, because with a group, you then have to requeue and find a new group, with a neighborhood, that 50th person just automatically gets placed into a different neighborhood and is totally fine.