The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

Those are already in-game. Nothing new as for now. No, I'm talking narratively, they have written a clear Ethereal segway since Alleria talk with Locus even before 11.0 and continued in several narrative instances. K'aresh is nothing but the natural conclusion.

I even say it's possible Metzen wants to deal with K'aresh now so can focus on Azeroth later on.

I would really like all of Midnight to be on Azeroth, it makes me excited for what the patches could be.

And I would count a moon patch as Azeroth, technically. If Karesh is 11.2 the moon would be a great 12.2, especially if Dimensius manifests on "the dark side of the moon".

[micwini]

Crazy that we still really don't have a definitive "yes this is surely it" so close to the reveal.
Undermine was pretty obvious.
Karesh will be obvious in hindsight when we get it. So will some other options, but the fact there is also still a chance that it could be something completely else is insane.
And that with them revealing the broad setting of 3 expansions in advance.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

especially if Dimensius manifests on "the dark side of the moon".

Why do you all associate Elune with Void? The last time we learned anything about her was in SL when the Winter Queen mentioned her as a sister, symbolizing the cycle of life (Elune) and death (Winter Queen). Am I missing something or are you making it up again?

[Timester]

They're literally not already in-game since they're datamined future content, lol.

The Ethereal Raid items were for the loot of Nexus-Princess Ky'veza. The Ethereal new models are being used on Cho's questline.

[Hitei]

The Ethereal Raid items were for the loot of Nexus-Princess Ky'veza. The Ethereal new models are being used on Cho's questline.

Putting aside that one of the two icons is unused, this isn't really "in-game" because the important part of the items isn't the items at all, it's that the (normally unseen by players) name for the trinket's icon contains "etherealraid".

[Ersula]

The Ethereal Raid items were for the loot of Nexus-Princess Ky'veza. The Ethereal new models are being used on Cho's questline.

Interestingly enough, the new Ethereal models that showed up in datamining are not used in the Ethereal Lorewalking questchain. It's the chain from BC Netherstorm, the chain from Argus, and the broker chain from Bastion. They all use the models from their respective expansions. Besides a bit of framing device, including a scene between Locus-Walker & Venari, the only new questchain in Lorewalking is the one set in the Black Empire. As of the next patch we still haven't seen what the new Ethereal models are for.

[Hitei]

Undiscussed so far, but I am curious what they'll do for crafting specializations in Midnight and TLT, the way they did elements and Algari factions for DF and TWW. I guess Midnight's could be Sindorei/Quel'dorei/Rendorei, thought it feels thematically odd to separate those when one of the core ideas of the expansion is reunification. Maybe Elven/Amani/Ethereal-Void?

Also kinda curious to see what the main renown type factions end up being.

[Sondrelk]

Undiscussed so far, but I am curious what they'll do for crafting specializations in Midnight and TLT, the way they did elements and Algari factions for DF and TWW. I guess Midnight's could be Sindorei/Quel'dorei/Rendorei, thought it feels thematically odd to separate those when one of the core ideas of the expansion is reunification. Maybe Elven/Amani/Ethereal-Void?

Also kinda curious to see what the main renown type factions end up being.

Given it's the EK, I am going to assume it's stuff related to the zones. The Arathi are not crucial to the story of TWW, so it's not like it's as integral as it would have been compared to Earthen crafting.

Maybe sanctified crafting based on the Plaguelands. Or Amani crafting as you said. I don't think it's Elf crafting specifically.

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Hard to say what the Renowns would be without knowing what the zones are. But I would guess Quel'thalas, other elf tribes, Amani, and Humans of some sort. Hard to say what would be a C-list faction in Midnight though. Something like what the Centaur was in DF.

[Enrif]

Why do you all associate Elune with Void? The last time we learned anything about her was in SL when the Winter Queen mentioned her as a sister, symbolizing the cycle of life (Elune) and death (Winter Queen). Am I missing something or are you making it up again?

The powers of the Night Warrior, the trinket that dropped from Sarkareth that references An'shuul (which is very close in name to An'she), the recent cosmic theme of the void

Elune as a life godess doesn't have anything life oriented aligned with her. The druids of the night elves follow the teaching of Cenarius, who is said to be the son of Elune, but also Malorne, a wild god that is actually representing life.

[Joshuaj]

The powers of the Night Warrior, the trinket that dropped from Sarkareth that references An'shuul (which is very close in name to An'she), the recent cosmic theme of the void

Elune as a life godess doesn't have anything life oriented aligned with her. The druids of the night elves follow the teaching of Cenarius, who is said to be the son of Elune, but also Malorne, a wild god that is actually representing life.

Life can involve multiple things, not just forests. The fact Cenarius is Malorne and Elune's child kinda already implies a major life connection with Elune.

Also, Gods have been shown to wield multiple powers before, that's the whole point of the Progenitors design.

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Also, Enrif, An'Shuul MIGHT have something to do with An'She, but what does that have to do with Elune?

[Enrif]

Life can involve multiple things, not just forests. The fact Cenarius is Malorne and Elune's child kinda already implies a major life connection with Elune.

Also, Gods have been shown to wield multiple powers before, that's the whole point of the Progenitors design.

Cenaruius is only the supposed child of elune. There is no way to validate that statement. And elune has nothing going on that makes her in any way or shape a godess of life. She is not a godess of healing, of the earth, of plant or animals, of birth or rebirth. For all intents and purposes she is just a celestial themed godess. Not a life themed. And celestial (moons, suns, starts) are either relegated to the titans or the void.

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Also, Enrif, An'Shuul MIGHT have something to do with An'She, but what does that have to do with Elune?

Perhaps nothing, perhapbs everything. Same thing as Beledar having the same naming convention as other naaru ships, or that the Lord of Dread Sire Denathrius was the progenitor to the dreadlords knows as Nathrezim

[Joshuaj]

Cenaruius is only the supposed child of elune. There is no way to validate that statement. And elune has nothing going on that makes her in any way or shape a godess of life. She is not a godess of healing, of the earth, of plant or animals, of birth or rebirth. For all intents and purposes she is just a celestial themed godess. Not a life themed. And celestial (moons, suns, starts) are either relegated to the titans or the void.

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Perhaps nothing, perhapbs everything. Same thing as Beledar having the same naming convention as other naaru ships, or that the Lord of Dread Sire Denathrius was the progenitor to the dreadlords knows as Nathrezim

Elune being the Lunar Goddess of Life makes sense ngl, especially if we're to assume her realm is the Dream. Also, wait, the Void represents celestial bodies? Ik Cosmic Void kinda does, and I guess the An'Shuul stuff does as well, but like...I can't think of anything else

[Hitei]

She is not a godess of healing, of the earth, of plant or animals, of birth or rebirth. For all intents and purposes she is just a celestial themed godess. Not a life themed. And celestial (moons, suns, starts) are either relegated to the titans or the void.

"Celestial" is Astral, which is Life-Arcane.

[Palapop]

Is it this chest you are thinking about?
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cac...ic_Curiosities

lol it resembles Ark of Covenant.

[Polybius]

They must be feeling really desperate right now. Soon they'll start recycling 11.1.5 clickbaits.

10 Things To Do Before 11.1.7!

[Foolicious]

lol it resembles Ark of Covenant.

It basically is. It's an updated model from Coffer of promise which was a much more direct reference.

[KyleEverett]

unlikely. The Lothars seem to be just nobles in the empire and have not much sway and have lost much of their glory. And Lothar is only important to us due to Anduin Lothar, meanwhile the name Thoradin is the big name for the Arathi, which seem to be the name of the current emperor.

There's an Arathi Idiom, "Lothar's Landing."

Lore book from Hallowfall that says it background is "Duke Lothar annexed the island of New Light, sparking an economic boom in the empire. "Lothar's Landing" became an idiom for hopeful but uncertain trade or diplomatic initiatives by the empire. Often said with dripping sarcasm when the venture fails to find success."

So we don't know how long ago New Light was conquered, and it's not unusual for royal families to have Ducal lines that aren't in the main succession.

The sarcasm stuff could also point at the Lothar's family fall from prominence.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

The powers of the Night Warrior, the trinket that dropped from Sarkareth that references An'shuul (which is very close in name to An'she), the recent cosmic theme of the void

Elune as a life godess doesn't have anything life oriented aligned with her. The druids of the night elves follow the teaching of Cenarius, who is said to be the son of Elune, but also Malorne, a wild god that is actually representing life.

The powers of the night warrior have nothing to do with the Void, An'shuul/An'she have nothing to do with Elune, the cosmic power of the Void once again has nothing to do with Elune's astral theme.

So that's what I was saying, you're making it all up. It's okay, I was afraid I'd missed something, but it's all right.

[Cheezits]

So with Thursday being a federal holiday, are we getting something on Wednesday or the next week?

[COBRAstriker]

Faerin's short story sits at 34K views and has more dislikes than likes. I wonder who is this character for, or why they keep forcing her