The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I can't wait to see the Human Mansion Exterior House, assuming we have 3 Exterior sizes of course.

[shooketh]

Yeah. If they want to give something specifically for RP players, then making a version of this tech but the entire neighborhood only for guilds would make sense.

Maybe Private neighborhoods could allow customization outside assigned plots. Would definitely be more tailored towards the RP crowd.

Exactly. Let private neighborhoods be the sandbox version, for players that are interested in hosting events on a bigger scale, or giving an entire zone a certain theme and so on, and let public neighborhoods be for those that are interested in just having a house to decorate.

Would be a good compromise that would make everyone happy, I think

[Mecheon]

By the way, K'aresh may just be the raid and not the patch zone. So it'll be the Rootlands. The end of the raid would be an excellent way to make the transition to the next expansion, making K'aresh a potential Midnight zone?

Oh absolutely. They could for sure start laying the seeds for it now with whatever's happening next patch, but Midnight makes far more sense for healing out to K'aresh

I don't see us going to the seat of a Void Lord before we've even fought Xal

[Dvalin]

Oh absolutely. They could for sure start laying the seeds for it now with whatever's happening next patch, but Midnight makes far more sense for healing out to K'aresh

I don't see us going to the seat of a Void Lord before we've even fought Xal

I think a crucial point to make is that K'aresh won't necessarily be the seat of a/the Voidlord(s). It could very well be 'just' the husk/aftermath of its destruction, with some hardy survivors.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I took a break from WoW for the last month or so, and the Lorewalking stuff around Xal'atath piqued my curiosity.

Not necessarily her origins -- revelation of her just being a Void being isn't that much of a revelation at this point -- but the topic of whatever N'Zoth was supposedly building in Ny'alotha (that Xal'atath was so interested in getting to) is what I find most intersting.

[Joshuaj]

Oh absolutely. They could for sure start laying the seeds for it now with whatever's happening next patch, but Midnight makes far more sense for healing out to K'aresh

I don't see us going to the seat of a Void Lord before we've even fought Xal

You act like Dimensius built a base there...

[milkmustache]

I think a crucial point to make is that K'aresh won't necessarily be the seat of a/the Voidlord(s). It could very well be 'just' the husk/aftermath of its destruction, with some hardy survivors.

Yes. This is the key. I don't particularly agree with the idea that K'aresh is either the seat of Dimensius or a void stronghold. There's nothing that particularly says this. K'aresh had a bit of a resistance stage against Dimensius for a while, but that was quelled and the majority of them were forced to flee in the Twisting Nether. From there, they began hunting Dimensius again.

I really, really think any depiction of K'aresh would be a cautionary tale to Azeroth. We will see the husk of a world who failed in their fight against the Void, we'll be caught up in a fight between a divided people all clawing at each other for a shred of hope to regaining their home, and right when we think we can stop Xal'atath and end it all, we don't, finding ourselves in the same position the K'areshi were as Dimensius invaded.

K'aresh is not being set up to be an Argus styled patch at all, this isn't a giant fight against the Void as we had againt the Legion, this is a prologue that uses a similar tale to set the stakes for us.

[Joshuaj]

Maybe I misheard it, but I think I heard either Taliesin or someone else state that could change your roofs and whatnot for housing? So maybe there's stuff outside of the baseline we've see so far? Idk tho.

If not, that's fine. I just hope that bigger house ain't the mansion option, cause ngl, I want a true Human Mansion!

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Yes. This is the key. I don't particularly agree with the idea that K'aresh is either the seat of Dimensius or a void stronghold. There's nothing that particularly says this. K'aresh had a bit of a resistance stage against Dimensius for a while, but that was quelled and the majority of them were forced to flee in the Twisting Nether. From there, they began hunting Dimensius again.

I really, really think any depiction of K'aresh would be a cautionary tale to Azeroth. We will see the husk of a world who failed in their fight against the Void, we'll be caught up in a fight between a divided people all clawing at each other for a shred of hope to regaining their home, and right when we think we can stop Xal'atath and end it all, we don't, finding ourselves in the same position the K'areshi were as Dimensius invaded.

K'aresh is not being set up to be an Argus styled patch at all, this isn't a giant fight against the Void as we had againt the Legion, this is a prologue that uses a similar tale to set the stakes for us.

Why would Dimensius set up a foothold outside of the Void?

The only reason Sargeras set up a foothold for his Legion was cause A. The Demons don't fw normal Titan stuff. And B. The Demons had no stronghold to begin with cause well...Disorder.

[Ersula]

Why would Dimensius set up a foothold outside of the Void?

For the same reason they corrupt planets in the first place?

[milkmustache]

Maybe I misheard it, but I think I heard either Taliesin or someone else state that could change your roofs and whatnot for housing? So maybe there's stuff outside of the baseline we've see so far? Idk tho.

If not, that's fine. I just hope that bigger house ain't the mansion option, cause ngl, I want a true Human Mansion!

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Why would Dimensius set up a foothold outside of the Void?

The only reason Sargeras set up a foothold for his Legion was cause A. The Demons don't fw normal Titan stuff. And B. The Demons had no stronghold to begin with cause well...Disorder.

I agree that Dimensius wouldn't have a foothold. Isn't the point of Void that is it not only corruption but the inevitableness of nothingness in an extinguishing a flame sort of way? Although a lot of people didn't care for Sarkareth, he gave us yet another cautionary tale about following the promises of the Void, and his revelation with that was a road that lead to nothing (in both a literal sense and I suppose a Cosmic sense). I couldn't imagine this sort of power as having a base of operations. They manifest, corrupt, eat, destroy, and then fade back into oblivion to do it again.

[Joshuaj]

For the same reason they corrupt planets in the first place?

Ong that mf likely just ate the planet, consumed the world soul, then dipped.

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I agree that Dimensius wouldn't have a foothold. Isn't the point of Void that is it not only corruption but the inevitableness of nothingness in an extinguishing a flame sort of way? Although a lot of people didn't care for Sarkareth, he gave us yet another cautionary tale about following the promises of the Void, and his revelation with that was a road that lead to nothing (in both a literal sense and I suppose a Cosmic sense). I couldn't imagine this sort of power as having a base of operations. They manifest, corrupt, eat, destroy, and then fade back into oblivion to do it again.

I mean, I don't doubt Dimensius having a foothold, but that shit ain't outside the Void lol.

[Sondrelk]

You act like Dimensius built a base there...

Base or not, it's very clearly an area infested with the Void, in which a Void Lord at some point appeared.
There isnt realistically anywhere with as much relevance to the Void at this moment. So ignoring the buildup we already have within TWW that is immediately relevant to the expansion theme and to the greater storyline seems like a bad idea.

Going to K'aresh is a definite for sure. It was mentioned by Locus-walker, and we saw it at the end of the Undermine campaign. It just doesnt make a huge amount of sense to TWW as an underground expansion about going deeper. No matter how true it is that we are technically going underground in K'aresh as well.
It's worse than the BfA pivot after Sylvanas fled. It would be more like if BfA didnt even end with N'zoth, but instead had us go to the Shadowlands immediately for a single patch. It would ignore all the plotlines currently built, in favor of one set up right before it.

[milkmustache]

Base or not, it's very clearly an area infested with the Void, in which a Void Lord at some point appeared.
There isnt realistically anywhere with as much relevance to the Void at this moment. So ignoring the buildup we already have within TWW that is immediately relevant to the expansion theme and to the greater storyline seems like a bad idea.

Going to K'aresh is a definite for sure. It was mentioned by Locus-walker, and we saw it at the end of the Undermine campaign. It just doesnt make a huge amount of sense to TWW as an underground expansion about going deeper. No matter how true it is that we are technically going underground in K'aresh as well.
It's worse than the BfA pivot after Sylvanas fled. It would be more like if BfA didnt even end with N'zoth, but instead had us go to the Shadowlands immediately for a single patch. It would ignore all the plotlines currently built, in favor of one set up right before it.

What plotlines is it ignoring aside from the black blood? The current plotline is stopping Xal'atath, and a big part of that revolves around the Dark Heart, our precious macguffin that happens to be... on K'aresh. The big bad fight against the Void isn't meant to be on K'aresh, it's meant to be on Azeroth.

[Khaza-R]

Anyone think there's a chance Ethereals are really working for Azshara. And that's the big 11.2 plot twist and pivots to an actual invasion in Midnight?

[Dvalin]

Base or not, it's very clearly an area infested with the Void, in which a Void Lord at some point appeared.
There isnt realistically anywhere with as much relevance to the Void at this moment. So ignoring the buildup we already have within TWW that is immediately relevant to the expansion theme and to the greater storyline seems like a bad idea.

Going to K'aresh is a definite for sure. It was mentioned by Locus-walker, and we saw it at the end of the Undermine campaign. It just doesnt make a huge amount of sense to TWW as an underground expansion about going deeper. No matter how true it is that we are technically going underground in K'aresh as well.
It's worse than the BfA pivot after Sylvanas fled. It would be more like if BfA didnt even end with N'zoth, but instead had us go to the Shadowlands immediately for a single patch. It would ignore all the plotlines currently built, in favor of one set up right before it.

I don't agree. Azir is there with the Dark Heart. We have all the reason to chase him before Xal'atath gets her hands on it again.
@milkmustache dingdingding, couldn't word it better myself, regarding the K'aresh =/= Void Stronghold point.

[Sondrelk]

What plotlines is it ignoring aside from the black blood? The current plotline is stopping Xal'atath, and a big part of that revolves around the Dark Heart, our precious macguffin that happens to be... on K'aresh. The big bad fight against the Void isn't meant to be on K'aresh, it's meant to be on Azeroth.

The Black Blood. The Harranir. The Beledar. The World Core.

We have the Void Heart and Xal'atath as reasons to go to K'aresh maybe. And the World Core could easily be moved to TLT. But that still leaves explaining what the deal with the Beledar is all about. Or what happened to Orweyna and her desperate search for the source of the Black Blood needed to save her home.

[Dvalin]

The Black Blood. The Harranir. The Beledar. The World Core.

We have the Void Heart and Xal'atath as reasons to go to K'aresh maybe. And the World Core could easily be moved to TLT. But that still leaves explaining what the deal with the Beledar is all about. Or what happened to Orweyna and her desperate search for the source of the Black Blood needed to save her home.

I honestly don't think we've seen the last of Orweyna or her people, even if she doesn't get much more exposure this expansion. All the mysteries surrounding our interactions with the Ethereals seem to be culminating in something in 11.2; we just don't know in what regard yet.

[Sondrelk]

I honestly don't think we've seen the last of Orweyna or her people, even if she doesn't get much more exposure this expansion. All the mysteries surrounding our interactions with the Ethereals seem to be culminating in something in 11.2; we just don't know in what regard yet.

We kinda have to. We didnt see her in the current patch. And there doesnt seem to be any hint of her in the next one either. So it would make sense that 11.2 has us circling back to her in some major way. And I doubt that her wanting to stop the Black Blood extends as far as leaving Azeroth on a jaunt through space.

[Monkal]

Anyone think there's a chance Ethereals are really working for Azshara. And that's the big 11.2 plot twist and pivots to an actual invasion in Midnight?

Hmmmm I don't know...Azshara has to have some presence in Midnight, but the Ethereals working with her sounds kinda random at least currently.

[Dvalin]

Hmmmm I don't know...Azshara has to have some presence in Midnight, but the Ethereals working with her sounds kinda random at least currently.

Yeah, agreed. I can see her cuddling up to Dimensius, as her new Cosmological Crush. She already 'backstabbed' N'zoth. Not sure if she'd ally with Azir's subfaction - as he doesn't seem aligned with Xal/Dimensius (both of which may share the same agenda).