The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[FossilFree]

What if we get the new void spec for DH as a Midnight preorder bonus? Maybe Void Elf DH unlocks at the same time?

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Body 1 and 2 existing opens up more opportunities to add body types like Broker and Ethereal under the same race without making all Ethereals male for example. Adding new races and classes is always going to be a fun thing despite a minority of people complaining about balance or whatever.

But what are you talking about?

Body 1 = male
Body 2 = female

Why would you want to add an entire race to the sex of a race? It doesn't make sense.

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What if we get the new void spec for DH as a Midnight preorder bonus? Maybe Void Elf DH unlocks at the same time?

That seems to be the current consensus.

[Pyrophax]

Horrific Visions stays with us to 11.2? Or it will be removed?

[Dracullus]

What if we get the new void spec for DH as a Midnight preorder bonus? Maybe Void Elf DH unlocks at the same time?

Depend what it is exactly and when it launches. Imo if it's just DH for Void Elves + some other races, it will be behind MD paywall. If it's new spec, it will be for everyone owning TWW. No matter what, I think it will be feature of 10.2.5.

[Pyrophax]

That seems to be the current consensus.

I still think that Void DH will be Void class skin, not 3th spec.
Void meta is recolor from Havok, entire story of that DHs are some copy of Green Fire Questchain.
My theory - Void DH will be class skin, opening way for others - Fire (Sun) Paladins and Priests, Loa Paladins and Priests, Void healer priests, Tinker Shamans or Druids etc.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

If it is to go this direction, I can't help but feel Brokers would be feline.

But as I said, they have a spider model. They're probably not felines. And the ethereals, Khajiit too? Please help.

[Nibelheimy]

But as I said, they have a spider model. They're probably not felines. And the ethereals, Khajiit too? Please help.

Well they have a few four legged models, which shares more in common with the Tol'vir then say the nerubians. But that same model is also used for some naga too. The model doesn't mean so much to me considering these bodies were not their original forms, just how they've adapted to survive the planets destruction.

I'm suggesting Ethereals would be something else juxtaposed to feline, if brokers were to be. Again. They may never ever go down this route and prefer to leave both races original forms lost to history.

I would rather not have Ethereals if they're going to Drac'thyr it. The game deserves better than that. Didn't wait 20 years to only equip shoulders and a belt.

[Ersula]

I still think that Void DH will be Void class skin, not 3th spec.
Void meta is recolor from Havok, entire story of that DHs are some copy of Green Fire Questchain.
My theory - Void DH will be class skin, opening way for others - Fire (Sun) Paladins and Priests, Loa Paladins and Priests, Void healer priests, Tinker Shamans or Druids etc.

Possible. Though while the other DH bosses mechanics revolve around existing DH abilities, the Void DH's moves are entirely new, and appear to be ranged dps. There's still a big chance we get nothing. I remember all the druid & paladin lore in Dragonflight leading to ....nothing.

[COBRAstriker]

Man, you really need to take a step back. You get worked up over this imaginary "new team" that somehow slighted this "old team".

Yeah, you're right. I guess it's disappointment if anything as I was really hoping the story would get better
Metzen is back, but at the end of day it's more or less the same writers that gave us BfA, SL, DF and now TWW
Anyway, trying to say that there hasn't been a massive shift in how WoW is written and portrayed since mid BfA is being blind to the facts, to be honest
No evidence so far that would instill some confidence that Midnight will be better, and that has me worried. I want to care about the story, but not only with criticism and negativity

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

But that same model is also used for some naga too.

No, they use a different model.

The model doesn't mean so much to me considering these bodies were not their original forms, just how they've adapted to survive the planets destruction.

Except that we can use them to imagine what they might have looked like, and I have no doubt that they wanted to keep a certain resemblance to their original physical forms.

Well they have a few four legged models, which shares more in common with the Tol'vir then say the nerubians.

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[COBRAstriker]

Imo consolidation of some races wouldn't be that bad idea. Obvious examples like Highmountain, Lighforged, Mag'har, uniting all High Elves, maybe even Kul Tiran + Humans. We could keep all racials too, just make something like altars for Zandalari. This would make room for actual new races like Ogres or Ethereals.

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Not so hot take probably, but racials should be strictly for flavor. It's bad when they give gameplay advantages

[Nibelheimy]

No, they use a different model.



Except that we can use them to imagine what they might have looked like, and I have no doubt that they wanted to keep a certain resemblance to their original physical forms.



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Yeah okay I misremembered those particular models, and maybe they are spiders. But that's never going to be playable. The two legged model for Broker is the one we're looking at. Again. None of that may come to pass anyway. + the Brokers have only just been retconned into being K'areshi natives and not Shadowlands. (good) So those models were designed before they would of had a previous race in mind for them.

But I'm purely speculating on interesting races for brokers and ethereals to be for fun. They may well be spiders, I'm sorry you don't like cats. Its not that deep.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

But that's never going to be playable. The two legged model for Broker is the one we're looking at.

Oui c'est pourquoi je dis que ça :

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Could also be insectoid, if these two models belong to the same race. Look at how their legs end, like insect legs.

None of that may come to pass anyway.

Yeah...

+ the Brokers have only just been retconned into being K'areshi natives and not Shadowlands. (good) So those models were designed before they would of had a previous race in mind for them.

We don't know, maybe it was already planned back in the SL days.

From memory, and correct me if I'm wrong, but at no point in SL was it said that brokers were from shadowlands. I think they just said they were mysterious and had been around for a long time, but correct me if I'm wrong again. It's not very fresh anymore.

But I'm purely speculating on interesting races for brokers and ethereals to be for fun. They may well be spiders, I'm sorry you don't like cats. Its not that deep.

Lol sorry I'm on a crusade against that idea, hehe.

I mean, I love cats but if they're turned into catgirl weeb or Khajiit I'd find it disappointing, honestly. But hey, if you like the idea, I won't bother you any further.

[Joshuaj]

He went to the shadowlands because the other Titans & the Players were forced to kill him. That's why he went to the shadowlands. It has nothing to do with "death magic" - under normal circumstances when a Titan's body is killed its soul just returns to Antorus, where it reforms; as demonstrated by Eonar & Aggramar in that same raid.

Though I suppose for the same reason, they could just explain it away that nobody did to K'aresh whatever Sargeras did to Argus to make him a Titan in the first place. We still don't got good worldsoul to titan pipeline explanation.They're separate because they have separate racials. I never understood why people want the races consolidated. It's not like the character creation screen is confusing. More options the better.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-the...zing-of-325337

It takes 1 small search dude

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"Darkseer Corrupter: A world-soul twisted by Death. A maul with which to crush the Arbiter..."

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I'm pretty certain the Sylvanas novel goes into the whole Argus stuff more

[Ersula]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-the...zing-of-325337

It takes 1 small search dude

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"Darkseer Corrupter: A world-soul twisted by Death. A maul with which to crush the Arbiter..."

Yeah, I read it. It supports the explanation I gave. It doesn't mention "death magic" anywhere. He's "twisted by death" because he died & he wasn't supposed to.

[Joshuaj]

Dawg...

Quick question: Do you think Worldsouls or Titans that die go to the Shadowlands?

[Cheezits]

What I'm curious about is -why- the Brokers went into the Shadowlands. I'm hoping there's a lore book somewhere that explains it.

Maybe it was just a safe place with an easy to manipulate culture?

[Raetary]

Yeah, I read it. It supports the explanation I gave. It doesn't mention "death magic" anywhere. He's "twisted by death" because he died & he wasn't supposed to.

“And just as my kind learned how to alter our own natures to infiltrate
every plane of the cosmos, we stoked the mad titan’s fear of the Void to
blind him to our true purpose. When he raged at the time it took his fallen
demons to wake in the Twisting Nether, we told him we could forge him a
resurrection engine that would make his armies rise again in an instant. All
it would require is the necessary fuel—the soul of a world infused with the
power of Death.”
Sylvanas’s mind raced as she recalled their recent war against the
Legion. The Broken Shore. The Tomb of Sargeras. And…
“Argus,” she realized.
The dreadlord smiled as if at a clever pupil. “The Arbiter was made to
judge mortal souls, not the mad, hate-filled essence of a broken world. Yet
by infusing Argus with the magic of Death, we ensured that once he had
been struck down by eager mortals empowered by the meddling titan
pantheon, the soul of Argus would fire like an arrow into the heart of the
false Arbiter. Now every mortal soul, along with every drop of anima
wrung from their meaningless existences, brings the Banished One closer to
reshaping reality.”

Argus was infused with Death magic by the Nathrezim, binding him to the Shadowlands.

under normal circumstances when a Titan's body is killed its soul just returns to Antorus, where it reforms; as demonstrated by Eonar & Aggramar in that same raid.

Antorus was Sargeras' facility on Argus, the Legions main base.
Not some natural Titan spawn point.

Aggramar was there because Sargeras broke him and brought him along.
Eonar wasn't even in Antorus, she wasn't even on Argus, she was hiding on a whole other planet...

[milkmustache]

What I'm curious about is -why- the Brokers went into the Shadowlands. I'm hoping there's a lore book somewhere that explains it.

Maybe it was just a safe place with an easy to manipulate culture?

I'd assume something along the lines of this. Maybe they were a little less hell bent on vengeance for K'aresh and instead tried to find a place they could thrive. The In Between amongst the realms of the Shadowlands allowed them to maybe hide from the Void but also operate however they pleased.

[Joshuaj]

Argus was infused with Death magic by the Nathrezim, binding him to the Shadowlands.




Antorus was Sargeras' facility on Argus, the Legions main base.
Not some natural Titan spawn point.

Aggramar was there because Sargeras broke him and brought him along.
Eonar wasn't even in Antorus, she wasn't even on Argus, she was hiding on a whole other planet...

Thanks for finding the direct quote