The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nibelheimy]

The DH council boss was tested today, and footage is out there from anyone streaming raid tests. And he's even more distinct from the existing DHs than I thought- he fights like a full caster, standing back and spamming spells while his companions attack in melee like classic/player DHs.

Most of the time, he spams Consume, draining the people who soaked his Ire at the start of the fight. Occasionally he teleports, hurting people in a line (the only part that remotely resembles anything DHs can currently do) and spawning echoes all over the arena (not just in his path) that attack. And his Meta is him channeling a Collapsing Star, pulling enemies in along with projectiles we have to block.

I'd expected him to at least autoattack with his glaives- seemed like something the Encounter Journal would leave out- but he doesn't even do that. A caster DH definitely seems like a weird fit for the class, but it's definitely completely distinct.

Intersting. I could see this type of gameplay if the character was stylised more like Alani the Souleater. As in wielding a scythe (so a staff). Would be weird to be wielding warglaives for this. Although I suppose if it was a player spec it wouldn't necessarily be copy pasted from the raid boss and moreso inspired by.

Rn for me that's looking like a class reskin, with void instead. Happy to be wrong about It however.

How do the other 2 bosses of the encounter act? Are the abilities Havoc and Vengeance abilities or moreso inspired by?

[Joshuaj]

Do you remember the name of the dflight book? Id like to check it out

At the very least they put life with void and chaos where it belongs

It is interesting that the forced are divided into two groupings maybe we'll get a reveal somewhere that azeorth has a twin lol

That's just done to better balance out how each influence does things.

[Cheezits]

How do the other 2 bosses of the encounter act? Are the abilities Havoc and Vengeance abilities or moreso inspired by?

Definitely Havoc and Vengeance themed. Their ultimate abilities are lots of Fel Rush and lots of Fel Breath (whatever its called) respectively and they turn into those forms.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Rn for me that's looking like a class reskin, with void instead. Happy to be wrong about It however.

Or is it simply nothing? Maybe it's just a way of making them relevant to Midnight, as enemies perhaps?

[Eldryth]

How do the other 2 bosses of the encounter act? Are the abilities Havoc and Vengeance abilities or moreso inspired by?

They're actual Havoc and Vengeance abilities, with the same names as the skills we use- though adapted to work as boss mechanics since it obviously can't translate 1:1 (and with visuals making them look like more powerful versions of those skillls). For example, the Havoc one's Fel Rush uses that mechanic where he places lines over various players then rushes through them, his Eye Beam follows a targeted player, his The Hunt has the raid stand between him and the target to reduce damage, etc.


If Void DHs are truly coming (and at this point I believe they do, because these seem like some of the most blatant hints Blizzard has ever done), it'd have to be an entirely new spec if they want this boss to resemble it like the other two do Havoc and Vengeance. I mean, of course soak mechanics like Devourer's Ire and Collapsing Star can't work the same for players, but nothing he does resembles either existing spec, nor does it do anything remotely similar. He absolutely comes across as a pure caster, as weird as that'd be for Demon Hunters.

[13last]

Or is it simply nothing? Maybe it's just a way of making them relevant to Midnight, as enemies perhaps?

I don't think they'd go out of their way to tease us with quests saying he wants to conquer void (sure he fails but the questgiver says the process can be refined over time) and give him brand new abilites. I still am 100% convinced it's a new spec and def not a skin, skin wouldn't make sense with all his new abilities.

As for the fight, I saw it, interesting he doesn't meele once, are we honestly gonna get a ranged DH spec? It's gonna do some damage to havoc I feel. He's got a lot of purple aoe and he's casting spells. I didn't see his mirror image attack? I know the scythe attack is mythic only but damn idk how I feel about it yet, a ranged DH.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

damn idk how I feel about it yet, a ranged DH.

Please give him a bow.

[13last]

Please give him a bow.

Honestly that'd be so funny, but I feel like Nibelheimy is right up top when they mention Allari the Souleater as reference for the spec. Granted she's using a scythe but I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to let the void spec (if it exists) use more then just glaives if this fight is anything to go by.

Someone on DH disc mentioned Adarus does have some slash abilities here and there, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a mid range spec at this point. Some of his abilities feel a bit hard(idk if hard is the right word) to translate to player abilities but the overall theme is definitely a lot more ranged.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Honestly that'd be so funny, but I feel like Nibelheimy is right up top when they mention Allari the Souleater as reference for the spec. Granted she's using a scythe but I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to let the void spec (if it exists) use more then just glaives if this fight is anything to go by.

Someone on DH disc mentioned Adarus does have some slash abilities here and there, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a mid range spec at this point. Some of his abilities feel a bit hard(idk if hard is the right word) to translate to player abilities but the overall theme is definitely a lot more ranged.

Honestly, for me, a ranged DH with a staff is a demonist, and I'm not sure I appreciate that. On all the discussions of the hypothetical 3rd DH spec, Allari came up a lot and it was the concept I didn't like at all. Meeeh.

[Cheezits]

The good news is that Salhadaar is a really cool boss fight with multiple phases and difficult mechanics. The bad news is nobody was able to beat him so I can't confirm what happens to him.

[Eldryth]

I don't think they'd go out of their way to tease us with quests saying he wants to conquer void (sure he fails but the questgiver says the process can be refined over time) and give him brand new abilites. I still am 100% convinced it's a new spec and def not a skin, skin wouldn't make sense with all his new abilities.

As for the fight, I saw it, interesting he doesn't meele once, are we honestly gonna get a ranged DH spec? It's gonna do some damage to havoc I feel. He's got a lot of purple aoe and he's casting spells. I didn't see his mirror image attack? I know the scythe attack is mythic only but damn idk how I feel about it yet, a ranged DH.

His echoes pop up around the arena after he teleports, do one spinning attack with their glaives, then disappear and leave a puddle behind that has to be soaked up.

I agree that the hints seem very clear here, and I really can't see them not doing a new spec with this buildup. The hints are so blatant that they definitely want us to suspect this is leading to a spec, and I really can't see them pulling such a blatant, deliberate bait-and-switch on something the community wants this badly. They have to know how horribly that would be received at this point- even passing up chances to expand race/class options tends to lead to outrage, and aside from the one Night Elf Paladin, the buildup for that has never been anywhere near this blatant.

Honestly, at this point the skepticism reminds me of how so many people were in denial about K'aresh right up until it was fully revealed, despite Undermined ending with the most blunt teaser imaginable. Blizzard may sometimes do things that the playerbase doesn't want or expect, but I don't think they'd tease this and not follow through.

Please give him a bow.

Before all this, I'd have assumed that if DHs were to get a ranged spec, it'd use that... but bows really don't line up with what they've been teasing here.

Someone on DH disc mentioned Adarus does have some slash abilities here and there, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a mid range spec at this point. Some of his abilities feel a bit hard(idk if hard is the right word) to translate to player abilities but the overall theme is definitely a lot more ranged.

His echoes do a quick spin attack with their glaives after he teleports, but if Adarus himself ever attacks with them, I couldn't find it. I can't find anything that makes him seem like anything other than a pure caster.

So much so that it makes me wonder if, assuming they end up using scythes instead like some speculate, it might turn out to be an Int spec using staves (with more scythe skins available) instead of polearms.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

His echoes do a quick spin attack with their glaives after he teleports, but if Adarus himself ever attacks with them, I couldn't find it. I can't find anything that makes him seem like anything other than a pure caster..

Anyway, if it's like Sarkareth, the spec will have one or two of the boss's abilities and the rest will be built around them. So I won't dwell on the details.

[13last]

His echoes pop up around the arena after he teleports, do one spinning attack with their glaives, then disappear and leave a puddle behind that has to be soaked up.

I agree that the hints seem very clear here, and I really can't see them not doing a new spec with this buildup. The hints are so blatant that they definitely want us to suspect this is leading to a spec, and I really can't see them pulling such a blatant, deliberate bait-and-switch on something the community wants this badly. They have to know how horribly that would be received at this point- even passing up chances to expand race/class options tends to lead to outrage, and aside from the one Night Elf Paladin, the buildup for that has never been anywhere near this blatant.

Honestly, at this point the skepticism reminds me of how so many people were in denial about K'aresh right up until it was fully revealed, despite Undermined ending with the most blunt teaser imaginable. Blizzard may sometimes do things that the playerbase doesn't want or expect, but I don't think they'd tease this and not follow through.

I looked the fight again and you're right, ty for pointing that out. This is definitely a ranged DH spec lol, man I'm excited and have so many questions at the same time.

But yah this is definitely intentional on Blizzards part, to many coincidences, I've watched all the content creators videos also, all their NDA's aside they all seem to agree that there's a lot of hints towards it.

His echoes do a quick spin attack with their glaives after he teleports, but if Adarus himself ever attacks with them, I couldn't find it. I can't find anything that makes him seem like anything other than a pure caster.

So much so that it makes me wonder if, assuming they end up using scythes instead like some speculate, it might turn out to be an Int spec using staves (with more scythe skins available) instead of polearms.

That's a great point on the potential Int spec, crazy that there's a good chance void DH's might be stacking Int lol. I'm with you on the weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if we get more Int glaives and they get access to certain 2H like Staves/Polearms? I don't see them using 2H swords/axes tbh. We'll find out in less then 2 months but man I'm kind of excited to try it out. I've been playing since 2007 on and off and WoW is still my go to game.

Honestly, for me, a ranged DH with a staff is a demonist, and I'm not sure I appreciate that. On all the discussions of the hypothetical 3rd DH spec, Allari came up a lot and it was the concept I didn't like at all. Meeeh.

I used to main Demo lock during their golden days in WOD, man that feeling has never been replicated, popping meta and demonbolt with the slashes, coolest spec in WoW's history for me, and then DH's took their meta back lol.

[KyleEverett]

Hmm, the newest Twitch drop throws a massive wrench in my Aug 5th patch hopes. The Turtle Back ends on the 11th.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

So, when do we get out our Midnight Bingos?

[Joshuaj]

So, when do we get out our Midnight Bingos?

End of July-Early August!

I can make them if ya want!

- - - Updated - - -

But I'll try to make the bingos easy for y'all

[Limayria]

Hmm, the newest Twitch drop throws a massive wrench in my Aug 5th patch hopes. The Turtle Back ends on the 11th.

Well they want you to tune in and watch streams so it'd make sense to have a new patch full of new stuff for people to watch before the 11th no?

[Bwgmon]

Well they want you to tune in and watch streams so it'd make sense to have a new patch full of new stuff for people to watch before the 11th no?

Looking at the announcement it seems like this drop isn't even tied to anything WoW-related, it's just WoW doing something for the "Twitch Summer Dropfest" event.

[Cheezits]

Welp, spoilers for what happens to Saldahaar Xal'atath absorbs him into void/steals him, saying "I know a loyal servant when I see one". He doesn't seem happy about it.

Wasn't expecting that.

[Nightshade711]

Welp, spoilers for what happens to Saldahaar Xal'atath absorbs him into void/steals him, saying "I know a loyal servant when I see one"

Wasn't expecting that.

I was expecting him to show up in Midnight anyways tbh.
From the Nightborne recruitment when the Shadowguard tried to take the Sunwell

Stage 4 – Belono Sil'aru

Defeat the Darkener.
Aruun the Darkener slain
Nether-Prince Durzaan says: The vessel has been found!
Grand Magister Rommath says: It wants the Sunwell!
Stage 5 – Ama Noral'arkhana

Close the void rift.
Void rift closed
Grand Magister Rommath says: Something seeks to open a rift into the chamber. If it comes through, we may lose the Sunwell.
Alleria Windrunner says: I can close the rift--but I will need help.
First Arcanist Thalyssra says: Tell us what to do, and we will lend our strength.
Nether-Prince Durzaan says: The door opens. Yes... this should suit our needs.
Alleria Windrunner says: Now! Focus your power with mine!
Nether-Prince Durzaan says: You only delay the inevitable! I will yet have my prize.