The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

End of July-Early August!

Okay, (almost) ready !

I can make them if ya want!

That's nice, but I already have mine! Thanks a lot. I just need to update it, K'aresh wasn't planned for TWW...

[Cheezits]

I was expecting him to show up in Midnight anyways tbh.
From the Nightborne recruitment when the Shadowguard tried to take the Sunwell

By the time of the after-raid dungeon, Ve'nari refers to him as a dying king so I wonder what happens between end of raid and the dungeon.

[Joshuaj]

Welp, spoilers for what happens to Saldahaar Xal'atath absorbs him into void/steals him, saying "I know a loyal servant when I see one". He doesn't seem happy about it.

Wasn't expecting that.

"I know a loyal servant when I see one"

This bitch was always planning to become a Void Lord...

[71362]

wow midnight-
level 90-
new neutral city-
silvermoon city
4 zones-
eversong woods
zul aman
northeron
quel danas
map changed back to warcraft 3 and vanilla wow shape
ghostlands merged into eversong
reputation-
shadow sun
amani tribe
northeron guard
silvermoon
sunwell raid-
no class-
hunter class remake will be in
no new spec-
hero talents-
your hero spec can be chosen for another 10
go deeper into hero specs trees like a real spec tree
hero spec is shown on your character name
artifact ring-
no borrowed power
continues from cloak
player housing-
eversong woods neighborhood planned
race exteriors planned
"class skin"-
glyphs added for alt customization
void paladin and void demon hunter examples shown
new neutral race-
ethereal
can be warrior priest hunter warlock mage monk rogue and druid (forms are animals made of cloth wraps)
starting zone the twilight star finishes at level 10
new customization for all-
shadowlands round 2 of customization
troll beards and body shapes like dracthyr

[Joshuaj]

I mean...as far as fake leaks go, this ain't half bad

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It is what @Mojo03 said in the other thread. The men who created WARcraft are long gone, and Metzen in one old guy drowned out in a democracy of millennials. You are reading skinsuit fanfiction funded by a corporation - a revolving door of people - that has inherited the brand name. If you want to look for good storytelling you are going to have to start looking at Asian media.

Saw this earlier but never replied, long and short of it is I agree to an extent but I don't buy for a second the idea Asian media is better. It's not exactly an improvement to go from the shitty fanfiction of bluesky users and Steven Universe watchers to an overmonetized pantomime of overendowed Evony chicks, insufferable lolis and their marketable mascots. I suppose you could at least go South Korean instead of Japanese to cut the Evony chicks and lolis for twice the overmonetization and marketable mascots, but that's really only a relative improvement.

[Teriz]

The lack of a 3rd DH spec would be a huge letdown.

[Cheezits]

I really don't expect Northeron over Lordaeron, for marketing purposes. Unless there is a lore reason.

Or Lordaeron is patch content.

[Foolicious]

"I know a loyal servant when I see one"

This bitch was always planning to become a Void Lord...

"I tire of intermediaries and heralds. The true throne of power beckons, and I intend to claim it." - Azshara Xalatath

[Al Gorefiend]

They will be back. If the Worldcore has been postponed to the end of the saga, the roots of Elun'ahir are supposed to be around it, and they are likely to be under either Sholozar Basin or Un'goro Crater (both of are likely to be a part of TLT for different reasons)

How big a tree we talking if the roots are in Azeroth's southern and northern hemispheres

[Scyth]

Hmm, the newest Twitch drop throws a massive wrench in my Aug 5th patch hopes. The Turtle Back ends on the 11th.

If last patch is any indication then I thin it's a safe bet that 11.2 launches on the 5th/6th. Last time we had Turbulent Timeways, Undermine launched immediately after it ended, so I am pretty sure this is what happens now too.

[KyleEverett]

If last patch is any indication then I thin it's a safe bet that 11.2 launches on the 5th/6th. Last time we had Turbulent Timeways, Undermine launched immediately after it ended, so I am pretty sure this is what happens now too.

Yeah, but they have done a Twitch drop that starts on NA patch days though so we're at like 50/50 on 5th or 12th.

[Kiivar86]

I mean...as far as fake leaks go, this ain't half bad

Yeah better than those where the creator gets their creative writing juices going and write too much. And its got those parts that sound real strange now, like the whole "map changed back to warcraft 3 and vanilla wow shape" and "shadowlands round 2 of customization". That latter one especially makes me scratch my head.

[Vakir]

I love that leak, but I think people wildly underestimate how difficult class skins are, especially multiple at once. You're effectively doubling the work of a given class because any reworks or spell updates to any given class then need to be also fitted for a skin.

Different tooltips and some minor mechanical tweaks also enter the equation. Does Paladin damage now not deal Holy/Radiant with the Void version? How does that work with mechanics like certain enemies with damage type increases a la Argus adds?

I want it, but people don't seem to understand not just that it's a lot of present work but it's exponentially raising the asset demand the more there are.

"shadowlands round 2 of customization". That latter one especially makes me scratch my head.

I assume they mean a new round of customization to base races like how one feature of Shadowlands involved that. It was mid enough in terms of implementation and SL was bad enough that I think many people forget it. They also bungled by not putting it in the bare bones feature trailer.

I assume the map shape they're talking about theoretically means updating the pulled back world map to closer around early WoW to feel less like a cramped clown car of islands. But I'm not sure and I don't think it's real anyway for reasons I stated above.

[Viridiel]

How big a tree we talking if the roots are in Azeroth's southern and northern hemispheres

A world tree, perhaps. Its roots are meant to reach anywhere where non-elemental life spawned on Azeroth, which is seemingly just about everywhere. The actual tree could've been planted anywhere.

[Samin]

[...]
ethereal
can be [...] druid (forms are animals made of cloth wraps)
[...]

I was willing to give you void paladins, but that made me laugh. Really, other than that the most unbelievable thing was the new neighbourhood.

[Kiivar86]

I assume they mean a new round of customization to base races like how one feature of Shadowlands involved that. It was mid enough in terms of implementation and SL was bad enough that I think many people forget it. They also bungled by not putting it in the bare bones feature trailer.

I assume the map shape they're talking about theoretically means updating the pulled back world map to closer around early WoW to feel less like a cramped clown car of islands. But I'm not sure and I don't think it's real anyway for reasons I stated above.

Man yeah I barely even remember that, you're right.

And yeah I don't think its real either but I do appreciate the way its written, feels more like the actual leaks we've had in the past. I always get annoyed at the overly detailed written ones.

[Vakir]

Yeah, the new neighborhood made me raise my eyebrows too - factions are obviously not very important anymore as of right now, but they are still hardline about making it opt-in to be buddies in terms of things like queues still being forced as separate.

Would that mean two faction instances of the same identical neighborhood aesthetic? Would the Alliance one be different with more Quel'dorei colors?

Can we have a wall between the two where we throw eggs and put up mean banners towards the other side?

And yeah I don't think its real either but I do appreciate the way its written, feels more like the actual leaks we've had in the past. I always get annoyed at the overly detailed written ones.

Yeah, I love it and pray it's real.

The class skins things would work if it's just a continuation of a few abilities recolored in terms of being a glyph vs. an entire green fire suite situation.

People will likely be disappointed by that but it's better than nothing.

(Another thing people underestimate - a full class reskin also means entire class worths of talent trees - like 20-30 nodes - renamed and re-iconed if you're looking for a full fantasy. VERY difficult.)

[Enrif]

Yeah, the new neighborhood made me raise my eyebrows too - factions are obviously not very important anymore as of right now, but they are still hardline about making it opt-in to be buddies in terms of things like queues still being forced as separate.

ugh, my hope for midnight is that they give us not just opt-in options, but flat out the option to change a character to be "neutral", let it have a warmode like toggle that you can activate in Stomwind for Alliance and Orgrimmar for Horde, but otherwise your character is neither faction, thus allowing to engage with all players.

[Vakir]

For hire/adventurer, valid way of setting up neutral.

Faction story content also honestly has a future place post-TLT and should also be opt-in and cold/medium heat skirmishes like Vanilla through most of Wrath.

But yeah not to derail - just not sure how an Eversong neighborhood would work.