The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[COBRAstriker]

I guess. I mean I couldn't care less about Arator or Tularyon so it doesn't matter much to me which one of them is going all out in Midnight.

"I don't care" is not an argument, and it's probably what got us where we are. As a community, we have been able to voice our complaints about gameplay, and thankfully it has gotten considerably better compared to just a few years ago
But the story has been pretty much universally mocked since early BfA now. Not to mention that in all these years they have completely decimated the RP community and they have ran off a ton of folks that used to nerd out about WoW lore
People need to call out bad writing, so actual change can happen
They either stop trying to write these overarching stories as they keep failing at it, and instead we go back go vanilla WoW style of questing and stories
Or they fire everyone on the writing team and hire people with actual talent that can write a story worth caring about

[Timester]

Not sure I understand your thought process.

Easy. Exhibit One:

"I don't care" is not an argument, and it's probably what got us where we are. As a community, we have been able to voice our complaints about gameplay, and thankfully it has gotten considerably better compared to just a few years ago
But the story has been pretty much universally mocked since early BfA now. Not to mention that in all these years they have completely decimated the RP community and they have ran off a ton of folks that used to nerd out about WoW lore
People need to call out bad writing, so actual change can happen
They either stop trying to write these overarching stories as they keep failing at it, and instead we go back go vanilla WoW style of questing and stories
Or they fire everyone on the writing team and hire people with actual talent that can write a story worth caring about

Case and point.

All because Alleria, which we already knew was a character for the entire Saga, survives chapter one of the Saga.

[Cheezits]

I think Alleria not dying (never would have happened) or getting corrupted (yet) is a little disappointing but otherwise I think Xal being the main villain instead of pivoting to Azshara is the better choice.

[COBRAstriker]

Still your fanon, because yet again nothing ever said that Renilash was Midnight or that Midnight isn't about Void vs Light. Nothing at all.

Excuse me, but, what?

[Timester]

I think Alleria not dying (never would have happened) or getting corrupted (yet) is a little disappointing but otherwise I think Xal being the main villain instead of pivoting to Azshara is the better choice.

It's like Metzen told one year ago "guys, this is just chapter one, Xal will be there all Saga".

Now we know more about her background and the dangers the Void represents for Azeroth. K'aresh is what will be of Azeroth if we don't figure this out.

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Excuse me, but, what?

Read the next line of my answer to you.

[COBRAstriker]

All because Alleria, which we already knew was a character for the entire Saga, survives chapter one of the Saga.

I'm not sure I follow. We know that about Xalatath, not Alleria. We have no idea what happens with any other character. Metzen simply said that Xalatath is meant to weave in and out of the story and won't die in TWW
That's all what was said. There is no mention anywhere that Alleria will be alive throughout the entire saga

Regarding Renilash and void vs light, that is literally the premise of Midnight. The void invades Azeroth, QuelThalas specifically, with their eyes on the Sunwell, for whatever purpose
Not sure why you're arguing about things which were already confirmed

[Timester]

I'm not sure I follow. We know that about Xalatath, not Alleria. We have no idea what happens with any other character. Metzen simply said that Xalatath is meant to weave in and out of the story and won't die in TWW
That's all what was said. There is no mention anywhere that Alleria will be alive throughout the entire saga

Regarding Renilash and void vs light, that is literally the premise of Midnight. The void invades Azeroth, QuelThalas specifically, with their eyes on the Sunwell, for whatever purpose
Not sure why you're arguing about things which were already confirmed

You should make yourself those questions:

It's supposed to be far bigger than that, it's supposed to be about Renilash, an apocalyptic war between the void and the light. But I wouldn't be surprised if it boils down to what you said

But regarding Renilash, let's see the prophecy:

Now we face the unknown third tribulation. Will it be the Harbinger's final onslaught of Renilash?


Xal becoming a Void Lord equivalent and attacking herself is pretty much stop on the words of the prophecy. I still fail to see how Alleria dying or not changes anything at all about Midnight and Renilash speculation.

[Wangming]

"I don't care" is not an argument, and it's probably what got us where we are. As a community, we have been able to voice our complaints about gameplay, and thankfully it has gotten considerably better compared to just a few years ago
But the story has been pretty much universally mocked since early BfA now. Not to mention that in all these years they have completely decimated the RP community and they have ran off a ton of folks that used to nerd out about WoW lore
People need to call out bad writing, so actual change can happen
They either stop trying to write these overarching stories as they keep failing at it, and instead we go back go vanilla WoW style of questing and stories
Or they fire everyone on the writing team and hire people with actual talent that can write a story worth caring about

I get all this. But how does this relate to the discussion at hand?

Supposedly this would have been a good point to kill off Alleria and have her be replaced in the story by her husband or her son.
But these are all one dimensional boring characters, with very little in terms of personality. It doesn't matter if we follow the supposedly thousands of years old, but somehow still immature woman, or the supposedly thousands of years old but mentally still immature guy, or the thousands of years old, kid who is just bland, but because of his parents super special which gives him a free pass for having no personality. None of them are interesting or a better fit to be the lead of the story, so killing off one to give the other extra motivation serves nothing besides shock value.
I just don't see the point.

I saw the point with Genn. In WCII Times, he was defined by his hubris and selfishness. It was almost satisfying to see him punished over and over by fate till he learned humility. And in the end he on his own merits realised that a bitter old man who is a relic of past eras can't help his people adjust to a new reality that he himself does not understand either.
And say what you will about Jaina, gods know I often do, but whatever happens to her tends to be either a result of her naivity, a knee jerk reaction to when the universe doesn't conform to her idealism, or a punishment to her knee jerk reaction. There is a sense of journey to her, maturing and settling on where she wants to stand between the two extremes of blind idealism and killing everything that is green and walks upright.

Easy. Exhibit One:



Case and point.
All because Alleria, which we already knew was a character for the entire Saga, survives chapter one of the Saga.

Case in Point. And thanks. I understand you, at least.

[COBRAstriker]

You should make yourself those questions:

Again, I don't understand what you're trying to say. I'm highlighting expectation vs reality
We are expecting the war between the void and the light in Midnight based on what Metzen said, but it again might boil down to girlboss #1 chasing girlboss #2 for 3 patches, like the poster I was replying to mentioned initially
And I'm saying this because they advertised Thrall as having an important role in TWW, so we expected that, but instead he didn't do diddly
It's skepticism

[Timester]

Again, I don't understand what you're trying to say. I'm highlighting expectation vs reality
We are expecting the war between the void and the light in Midnight, but it again might boil down to girlboss #1 chasing girlboss #2 for 3 patches, like the poster I was replying to mentioned
And I'm saying this because they advertised Thrall as having an important role in TWW, so we expected that, but instead he didn't do diddly
It's skepticism

Yet again, you are talking about a tree (your issue with "girlbosses") and making it a forest (the entire of Midnight)

A tree doesn't make a forest. Alleria hunting Xal is even barely part of the entirety of TWW.

And about Thrall, said who? That's the issue I have on the threads, people saying things as facts that were never referred by Blizzard.

[Cheezits]

I think this does open up an interesting plot thread- WHY does Xal want to become a Void Lord?

[Wangming]

I think this does open up an interesting plot thread- WHY does Xal want to become a Void Lord?

She wants the power to use it to save her little sister dying from cancer.

- The Power of the Void is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
- Is it possible to learn this power?
- Not from a Paladin.

[Timester]

I think this does open up an interesting plot thread- WHY does Xal want to become a Void Lord?

I'll answer with another question, why did she attacked the Black Empire?

[Xeladriel]

void lord or....void lady?

[Nymrohd]

I think this does open up an interesting plot thread- WHY does Xal want to become a Void Lord?

So she can then eat Azeroth and become a Dark Titan?

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I'll answer with another question, why did she attacked the Black Empire?

maybe they were too damn focused on fighting each other than corrupting Azeroth and thus it was taking too long?

[Timester]

void lord or....void lady?

Void IS, doesn't have genders.

Like Gozer the Destructor.

[Raetary]

I think this does open up an interesting plot thread- WHY does Xal want to become a Void Lord?

I don't think she cares for becoming a Void Lord, she just has a shitton of power presented to her on a silver platter,.
Why wouldn't she gobble it up?

[Timester]

maybe they were too damn focused on fighting each other than corrupting Azeroth and thus it was taking too long?

But it happened after Xal's "rebellion" against Dimensius. That's why I brought the question, because the reason is the same and unknown yet.

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I don't think she cares for becoming a Void Lord, she just has a shitton of power presented to her on a silver platter,.
Why wouldn't she gobble it up?

Well, the spoiler says Xal wants to become the All-Devouring.

[Wangming]

void lord or....void lady?

Female Time Lord discussion, all over again.

Sigh.

Void Shobogan. Happy?

But it happened after Xal's "rebellion" against Dimensius. That's why I brought the question, because the reason is the same and unknown yet.

Are you sure you don't want to keep it unknown? Can't we keep the Eldritch horror, unknowable? WoW rarely gives satisfying answers to these question.

[COBRAstriker]

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So your whole argument is that it's all garbage and in the end, it doesn't even matter?
Couldn't help myself. While I agree with your comments in that every character is more or less one dimensional now as they've been completely robbed of their personalities so they don't offend anyone, that's really not an argument

Personally I find the Locus Walker far more interesting and mysterious than Alleria ever was, really

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Yet again, you are talking about a tree (your issue with "girlbosses") and making it a forest (the entire of Midnight)

A tree doesn't make a forest. Alleria hunting Xal is even barely part of the entirety of TWW.

And about Thrall, said who? That's the issue I have on the threads, people saying things as facts that were never referred by Blizzard.

I feel like you're trolling, Thrall is pretty much on all official TWW art, official cinematic too, and even got his own short story, but had little to no presence in the expansion itself