The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Xilurm]

Yeah how come the Primalists, which is pretty much a different version of the Twilight's Hammer, are fighting in the name of the elements pretty much, but the Elemental Lords themselves are nowhere to be seen?

As for the Druids of the Flame, if they're a new rep does that mean they're good guys now?

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Oh this is actually very nice. Attention to detail. I like that they're embracing their Lordaeron heritage.

[Teriz]

Really hoping for more Druid of the flame forms. That firebird form from firelands would be awesome.

[Fahrad Wagner]

The fog stuff with the Old World also may be a dead giveaway...

Kinda shocked SW doesn't have that tho

I think I've missed this info, what fog are we talking about?

Dragonflight confirmed as future levelling experience for new players

rip world revamp dream, right?

Yeah that pretty much kills any hope of a World Revamp, except if that one is a high-level only kind of experience (which defeats the purpose?)

[Nymrohd]

Yeah that pretty much kills any hope of a World Revamp, except if that one is a high-level only kind of experience (which defeats the purpose?)

Not if there is a Timewalking system that is worthwhile.

[Makabreska]

Yeah how come the Primalists, which is pretty much a different version of the Twilight's Hammer, are fighting in the name of the elements pretty much, but the Elemental Lords themselves are nowhere to be seen?

Because Rag and Al'Akir are currently dead and Neptulon/Therazane turned out not to be so bad and so hell bent on Azeroth destruction after not being controlled by Old Gods. Both of them teamed up with to us save Azeroth against Old Gods and Burning Legion in the past.

I sense Druids of the Flame teaming up with Fyrakk. Same powers as Primalists, same intentions, and same dominant race. Honestly, just swap name and no one would see any difference.

[Sondrelk]

What about the hopes of having new starting zones for each race? Because when it comes to a revamp that's one of my biggest wants. To not bundle up all the races together like they're all the same. Like they're doing in Exile's Reach.

That's a separate thing that while would be nice, is not in any way required for a world revamp.

A world revamp could, and indeed should, be focused on revamping the world for the benefit of endgame content. Botani raids in Feralas. Naga invasions at the coasts. Dwarf rebels taking Blackrock mountain for Ragnaros. Etc.

It certainly puts a dent in the idea that there will be a revamp since so many players expect a world revamp to be linked to levelling revamp, but it doesn't exclude it.
Nothing is preventing Blizzard from designing the 11.0 questing experience in such a way that it becomes the new baseline levelling forever in future expansion either.

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Because Rag and Al'Akir are currently dead and Neptulon/Therazane turned out not to be so bad and so hell bent on Azeroth destruction after not being controlled by Old Gods. Both of them teamed up with to us save Azeroth against Old Gods and Burning Legion in the past.

I sense Druids of the Flame teaming up with Fyrakk. Same powers as Primalists, same intentions, and same dominant race. Honestly, just swap name and no one would see any difference.

Ragnaros is being resurrected by Dark Iron rebels actually, so nothing preventing hil from being an antagonist.

[Makabreska]

Ragnaros is being resurrected by Dark Iron rebels actually, so nothing preventing hil from being an antagonist.

Correction, they ATTEMPTED to resurrect him in BfA. We stopped them, so Rag remains dead and unressurected until any new development.

[Sondrelk]

Correction, they ATTEMPTED to resurrect him in BfA. We stopped them, so Rag remains dead and unressurected until any new development.

We stopped them that one time. None of the real perpetrators were actually stopped, so nothing to prevent them from trying again.

Honestly, it's been a hit minute since I did that quest, but did we actually do anything to stop it? Seemed more like we went into the Firelands and stopped that one specific ritual. From what I remember we didn't do anything proactive to really stop the rebels beyond Moira promising to be more careful with the dissidents.

[Xilurm]

So, to us mortals there's barely any difference between resurrecting and summoning an Elemental Lord? Wasn't it Cenarius or Malfurion who said at the end of the Firelands raid that "someone else will take his place"? Seems to me like he can come back any time regardless if he's dead or just stuck in his elemental plane.

[Khaza-R]

We stopped them that one time. None of the real perpetrators were actually stopped, so nothing to prevent them from trying again.

Honestly, it's been a hit minute since I did that quest, but did we actually do anything to stop it? Seemed more like we went into the Firelands and stopped that one specific ritual. From what I remember we didn't do anything proactive to really stop the rebels beyond Moira promising to be more careful with the dissidents.

I don't even remember there being a ritual tbh. I think you just go to Sulfuron Keep and discover Smolderon is missing and High Justice Grimstone is there instead. When he gets pressed where the new Firelord is, he just says we will find out in time and then just reveals their plan is to resurrect Ragnaros as the rightful ruler of the Dark Iron. He just escapes so nothing really happens other than you learning their plan.

The tablet which can be recovered in the Void Time Rift where in this timeline the Old Gods have won speaks of "the ancient one" as being their master and having to sate his hunger.

The Ancient One is the Harbinger evoked by Iridikron? Is this Xal'atath?

Azshara returning after finding the true Throne of Power in the Void Dimension, Iridikron "waiting" for the titans to return, the Old Gods talking about The Ancient One being their master...

Xal'atath is The Ancient One, The Harbinger and... a Void Lord.

The Ancient One was a card in HS. Will be interesting if it ends up being a crossover or if the name is just a coincidence

[Sondrelk]

The tablet which can be recovered in the Void Time Rift where in this timeline the Old Gods have won speaks of "the ancient one" as being their master and having to sate his hunger.

The Ancient One is the Harbinger evoked by Iridikron? Is this Xal'atath?

Azshara returning after finding the true Throne of Power in the Void Dimension, Iridikron "waiting" for the titans to return, the Old Gods talking about The Ancient One being their master...

Xal'atath is The Ancient One, The Harbinger and... a Void Lord.

I just assumed the Old Gods had entered a sort of hibernation after the world soul had died, and their minions simply kept tending to them long after.

[Makabreska]

So, to us mortals there's barely any difference between resurrecting and summoning an Elemental Lord? Wasn't it Cenarius or Malfurion who said at the end of the Firelands raid that "someone else will take his place"? Seems to me like he can come back any time regardless if he's dead or just stuck in his elemental plane.

And someone did take his place, with the help of Earthen Ring. In Shaman class campaign in Legion you help Smolderon take the mantle over some more aggressive elemental. I'm fairly sure Elemental Lords stay dead if killed in their home plane, unless some resurrection mumbo-jumbo happens. We aren't even sure if that attempt in BfA would work, if not prevented.

[Cheezits]

DF as the new player expansion kills 10-60 quests in EK/Kalimdor, but not 0-10. I don't think they will keep Exiles Reach as mandatory for everyone, and new starter quests would be a great way to show the new lore for the races.

Also my point about the DF = revamp was more about how it locks in the new timeskip thing and "Ally and Horde are friends" storylines. Right now it's a mess of timelines, but what if after DF we are spit back into an Azeroth that:

A) Accurately reflects the timeskip (not relevant to DF itself currently)
B) Accurately reflects the peace and cultural shakeups from BFA

DF has been very very careful to not include the factions or really show much of racial culture, outside of heritage quests, to the point that we don't know what most of Azeroth looks like post timeskip besides a few quests like the Blue story. don't think they would do the Horde Council and Forsaken/Nelf revamps if we are never seeing them ingame.

[Makabreska]

DF as the new player expansion kills 10-60 quests in EK/Kalimdor, but not 0-10. I don't think they will keep Exiles Reach as mandatory for everyone, and new starter quests would be a great way to show the new lore for the races.

Isn't ER mandatory only for the first-timers? It will defo stay this way, simply becasue it teaches you all the basics and is completely lore neutral.

[Cheezits]

Isn't ER mandatory only for the first-timers? It will defo stay this way, simply becasue it teaches you all the basics and is completely lore neutral.

I meant to say ER and Cata starters. ER will always stick around and blends into DF, but the Cata zones are too confusing and go against the entire rest of the setting now.

Also ER every single time is a bit much if they just got rid of Cata zones as an option (at least for character select)

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"The vassal of life disguises treachery. Beware the eyes of green."

I think the Dream will just have more green eye characters. Probably an NPC literally called the Vassal. AFAIK, the ONLY big life character with green eyes right now is Malfurion, and unless the one in Ardenweald was a Dreadlord he's checked out.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Malfurion isn't the suss one here, unless you explain where the actual Malfurion went and such. Not showing it would just be confusing.

[Xilurm]

Any one else that doesn't like the idea of "councils"? Horde council, Forsaken council etc? I'd much prefer a singular leader.

[Foolicious]

I think the Dream will just have more green eye characters. Probably an NPC literally called the Vassal. AFAIK, the ONLY big life character with green eyes right now is Malfurion, and unless the one in Ardenweald was a Dreadlord he's checked out.

Malfurion has been very inconsistent with eye colour anyway. He changes from gold to green to silver quite regularly depending on model or game.
If anything comes from this whisper i'm sure we will see hints in 10.2.

Ysera: "Am I a joke to you?"

I'm pretty sure Ysera has very noticeable blue eyes right now with all that ardenweald energy she has going on.

[Makabreska]

Any one else that doesn't like the idea of "councils"? Horde council, Forsaken council etc? I'd much prefer a singular leader.

Ahahaha yeeee, this worked so well for the Horde in the past.

The sole reason they went council mode was because of Garrosh/Sylvi. Would make little sense to keep doing Warchief after so many fuck-ups.

[Khaza-R]

Any one else that doesn't like the idea of "councils"? Horde council, Forsaken council etc? I'd much prefer a singular leader.

It was cool when they did it with the Dwarves, because it represented their different lineages and added tension to their story.

Horde and Forsaken councils just feel like they're trying to dodge establishing a new direction for these respective factions. It just becomes an ambiguous, flavorless mess. In trying to appease everyone they appease no one type of deal.